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27/08/2005 I posted in General the "Would you have been a Nazi test?"3
It was my only post of that kind together with the Roman test (both comming from Cupid).

My Topic was imediatly closed after a few (two) days by Katganistan withouth even posting a reason. The las post mentioned:


Pfft.....AHAHAHAH!
That is one of the funniest things ever!
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434205&page=1&pp=15






Quote:
Originally Posted by Lareod
Teehee that's quite funny...





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Originally Posted by Via Ferrata
I to think so, like all people that posted . But Katganistan seems not liking those tests in wich I saw no flaiming at all (seldom here on NS). Give those guys some power and they'll abuse it. Why? I don't know, must be something personal or perhaps because he hasn't brought the popular cupid tests in himself or maybe he just like the little bit of power he has in his life (given here)to close such a topic.(reading the NS regulation, I saw nothing that forbids this).
Well, he can close this one to now, like he did with the Roman one.(he forgot the first one) That kind of people are a good example of the intolerant.Anybody did something wrong to another one here in those tests? Poor thing. - Pauvre type-Arm jochie-

Also see:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread...16&page=1&pp=15

Katganistan cosed the topic with he next:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Katganistan

NationStates Moderator Team

Enough with all the copycat test/quizzes.


I know that he offended me before because I saw other ypical Katganisan moderation bias ,like I show you all a great example here,before and spoke about it. Wether he dislikes people from the centre or not as a extremist neocon, he is busted once again with biaxsed moderation. He closes one topic posted by non rightwing poster, next thing he does is letting it having 5 pages with the same topic some days later :rolleyes: This guy really is not worth a mod anymore, proof is here!

Oh he has not noticed that it was there again during all hose days? That is the excuse? I saw him allways on line while the banned topic was on page 1 in general. It was specially a cowardly action of him because he closed it withouth posting and explaining why in that topic. He just closed it.

Way to torpedo any chance of ever getting the thread closure reversed http://www.animeleague.net/~berrik/emot-waycool.gif

Way to torpedo any chance of ever getting the thread closure reversed http://www.animeleague.net/~berrik/emot-waycool.gif
Thank you, fair is fair. The ones that copied my topic are still on General :)
BTW getting a losue reversed is not my poin. It is just a question of biased and personal moderation (not his first regarding me) and giving evidence of it.

Frankly, it doesn't look like you proved anything about Katganistan being biased in any way from my perspective as a player.

Frankly, it doesn't look like you proved anything about Katganistan being biased in any way from my perspective as a player.


Are you blind or what, or just affraid?
Explain the difference between both topics?
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434205&page=1&pp=15

and

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=440843

Enleighten the class the difference between both topics :confused: Just the author is different and the wy that moderator likes to abuse his moderation towards people with other opinions then his. his mod proved, once again that he is not neutral. What is the difference between both topics?

If he is neutral , he just appologises, I have been wondering for days why my topic in wich (not you) dozens of people found amusement was boycoted and the same posted by a buddy (?) would stand on general?

[1] Katganistan is a woman.

[2] Moderators are not omnipotent. If a thread is not locked it's entirely possible they just didn't see it.

[3] This is the ad hominem tu quoque fallacy. The fact that other people break the rules or appear to have broken the rules does not allow you to get away with it. As schoolteachers / parents are fond of saying, we're not talking about them, we're talking about you.

[1] Katganistan is a woman.

[2] Moderators are not omnipotent. If a thread is not locked it's entirely possible they just didn't see it.

[3] This is the ad hominem tu quoque fallacy. The fact that other people break the rules or appear to have broken the rules does not allow you to get away with it. As schoolteachers / parents are fond of saying, we're not talking about them, we're talking about you.
1) so what?
2) BS
3)You're never late to close a topic or make excuses, it only deserves respect for one that agrees that he/she has made a mistake or puts her personal feelings aside and appologises. BTW stop slimming, I am right he/she is wrong, wathever the exuse. You don't know the other conflicts, it is personal (from her side, never knowed why) like said before,. Don't interfere, since you don't know the situation. I remember such things and you can not expect from me that I let it go like that. Or do you wan't your own opics closed withouth explanation? (Would like to see you then, I waited a week)

BTW, Katganistan was "warned" on page 2 of the "new" topic, just read post 29 on this page: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=440843&page=2&pp=15

1) so what?

So using 'he' is incorrect.

2) BS

Oh I'm sorry, we are omnipotent? I must've missed the memo.

BTW stop sliming, I am right she/he is wrong, wathever the exuse. You don't know the other conflicts, it is personal (from her side, never knowed why) like said before, don't interfere

Yeah, you're right which is why you can only produce a single example of a thread that wasn't locked. Steady on there, Sherlock. And 'it is personal?' You're psychic as well as gifted at identifying gods-among-men?

Are you blind or what, or just affraid?
Explain the difference between both topics?So you can't make your case logically so you resort to an ad homenim attack against me? You still haven't proven anything like what you're accusing Katganistan of.

ed the memo.



Yeah, you're right which is why you can only produce a single example of a thread that wasn't locked. Steady on there, Sherlock. And 'it is personal?' You're psychic as well as gifted at identifying gods-among-men?

You're getting personal. Close the topic (and explain why? Katganistan did not then, we are all still waiting, or do you think that the other posters understood?) like you should do and back of.

Other examples can be given on demand What is your point Perhps you're to new on NS to know (no need to regard my date, was here since the begining, before ou with Para, long time ago, lost my nation after half a year abroad, came back later).

You made a mistake, stop hiding. The way you bark and kick round is the oposite of a excuse or an explanation ("we did not see" does not work anymore).
Hard to admit that ou were wrong isn't it? That is the difference with the old mods and the mutul respect we had n NS in the early days. For you moderation seems to be a fight aginst the community and a full time need to score whenever you can "bust" someone and pump your post account so.

Yep it is hard to say "I am sorry" when one ade a mistake, deliberate or not. I felt caugh and searched and was not explained what I did wrong. Perhaps you like such a feeling, I don't. Point.

So you can't make your case logically so you resort to an ad homenim attack against me? You still haven't proven anything like what you're accusing Katganistan of.

Euh let's agree that a =b and that my banned topic is a, a was banned and b is there. I tried, btw what is your point? It is quite simple you know. The post i made in moderation was also not intended for one hat knows shit about older situations.

Aaah, I understand you wan't to be a future mod? Slimming around can be nice but it never made a Stephistan or one of the other old mods. Perhaps I am looking to far for a explanation, but that is because I never had one and saw here allways online while the same topic but posted by another stayed for days on the first page of general.
When you've just closed someting and the same topic is posted in a very few days, you should remember.

Other examples can be given on demand What is your point Perhps you're to new on NS to know (no need to regard my date, was here since the begining, before ou with Para, long time ago, lost my nation after half a year abroad, came back later).it would help if you posted those other examples of mod oppression. then other mods can review the action and take appropriate steps.

You made a mistake, stop hiding. The way you bark and kick round is the oposite of a excuse or an explanation ("we did not see" does not work anymore).
Hard to admit that ou were wrong isn't it? That is the difference with the old mods and the mutul respect we had n NS in the early days. For you moderation seems to be a fight aginst the community and a full time need to score whenever you can "bust" someone and pump your post account so.

Yep it is hard to say "I am sorry" when one ade a mistake, deliberate or not. I felt caugh and searched and was not explained what I did wrong. Perhaps you like such a feeling, I don't. Point.now you are doing personal attacks. It's not helping your case.

The fact that other people break the rules or appear to have broken the rules does not allow you to get away with it..
That is why I ask why they get away with it? Mine was closed, not theirs.

As schoolteachers / parents are fond of saying, we're not talking about them, we're talking about you. No need to, my topic was closed withouth giving a reason, 2 days later we see the same topic?
and no we're not taling about me,but about moderation.
I allready feel pitty with the uys that copied my post, but I also talk for all those that posted on all the pages the first time. Unfair is unfair.

now you are doing personal attacks.
Explain please?

Mistake does not lie with me, but with Katganistan.Wether you like it or not. There was something completely wrong nd it is not the first time for me.
Then you give evidence and still people try to slime and do everything to be on good note.

I am not personal here but the guys that have nothing to see here and don't know shit about the case and just hop in should be ashamed. You really aren't involved...

You're getting personal. Close the topic (and explain why? Katganistan did not then, we are all still waiting, or do you think that the other posters understood?) like you should do and back of.

Since when do you give me orders, kid?

Other examples can be given on demand What is your point Perhps you're to new on NS to know (no need to regard my date, was here since the begining, before ou with Para, long time ago, lost my nation after half a year abroad, came back later).

I've been here since Feb '03. If that's too young to know, who does know?

You made a mistake, stop hiding. The way you bark and kick round is the oposite of a excuse or an explanation ("we did not see" does not work anymore).

We are not omnipotent or omnipresent. 'We did not see it' is a perfectly adequate explanation if we did not see it. Further, the existence of an unlocked thread that breaks the rules does not excuse your breaking the rules, any more than the existence of Ronnie Biggs is an excuse for anyone who is caught trying to rob a train.

Hard to admit that ou were wrong isn't it?

Seemingly so.

That is the difference with the old mods and the mutul respect we had n NS in the early days. For you moderation seems to be a fight aginst the community and a full time need to score whenever you can "bust" someone and pump your post account so.

I am one of the old mods. And you are not the community, you are a single poster with an incredibly high opinion of himself.

You're getting personal. Close the topic (and explain why? Katganistan did not then, we are all still waiting, or do you think that the other posters understood?) like you should do and back of.
Baiting a moderator? Nice touch.

Other examples can be given on demand What is your point Perhps you're to new on NS to know (no need to regard my date, was here since the begining, before ou with Para, long time ago, lost my nation after half a year abroad, came back later).
You seem to be forgetting that GMC Military Arms is a Moderator. GMC was given the position for a reason, because of the knowledge she has of NationStates. You have yet to provide any sort of proof that Katganistan did anything wrong. One thing that you just can't understand is that moderators cannot see everything that goes on.

2) BS
The only thing I see here is GMC giving you a valid explanation, and you denying it without any sort of proof for your claims. You say that we know and see all around NS? Give me a break. We're volunteers for NationStates, we don't get paid for this. All of the things that we do are out of the free time that we have.

You made a mistake, stop hiding. The way you bark and kick round is the oposite of a excuse or an explanation ("we did not see" does not work anymore).
Hard to admit that ou were wrong isn't it? That is the difference with the old mods and the mutul respect we had n NS in the early days. For you moderation seems to be a fight aginst the community and a full time need to score whenever you can "bust" someone and pump your post account so.

Once again, I fail to see how GMC is wrong. We can't see all threads, since we do have real lives (hard to believe, right? :rolleyes: ) along with real jobs and families. There are times that we do rely on the player base to report things to us in the Moderation forum.

For further clarification, GMC is one of the old moderators. Get your facts straight.

I'd love for you to provide examples of us "busting" other people for no reason because you know, we're bitter people and we love causing trouble around here.

Yep it is hard to say "I am sorry" when one ade a mistake, deliberate or not. I felt caugh and searched and was not explained what I did wrong. Perhaps you like such a feeling, I don't. Point.
You're right. You've made a mistake at the judgement of the moderators, particularly Katganistan. I feel that you owe her an apology for your abrasive attitude against not only her, but to the rest of the moderation staff with your baseless accusations, especially GMC Military Arms. Point.

For some reason I cannot fathom, you seem to be under the impression that I am out to get you. I really have no idea what you're talking about.

You allege that I am somehow abusing my power by closing threads in general. Let's look at what the One Stop Rules Shop says about that. The threads in question were, by your own admission, a grouping of quizzes -- Spam. Since it was a group of similar quizzes, copycat spam.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416023
Off-topic, irrelevant and multi-posts that clog the server. This includes posting lots of smilies which is known as Smilie Spam. Also akin to spamming is Post-whoring which is when a player posts anything just to increase the postcount. Spamming to the point where you get deleted is known as Klamathing. Spamming in the forums should be reported through the Moderation forum, and In-game, through the Getting Help Page.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8784666&postcount=6
When somebody creates a popular thread, copycats and parodies quickly flood the forums. Like any other fad, a few can be fun, but once everyone starts to copycat them it becomes overbearing and spammish. Such threads may be locked or moved to Spam by any moderator who considers that thread to be a copycat or spam thread. Threads with genuine content may be left alone, but that probability increases dramatically when you don't use a fad title.

You said I did not post a reason, then contradict yourself by POSTING the reason I gave --

NationStates Moderator Team

Enough with all the copycat test/quizzes.

You speak of me offending you before -- what are you talking about?

Wether he dislikes people from the centre or not as a extremist neocon, he is busted once again with biaxsed moderation. He closes one topic posted by non rightwing poster, next thing he does is letting it having 5 pages with the same topic some days later
If you think I am a neo-conservative, I would suggest the rest of your rant is similarly inaccurate. I invite any and all interested parties to search my views on Bush, abortion, and religion, and to check out my political compass on Swimmingpool's chart. My views are consistent -- you may judge for yourself whether I fit the profile of "extremist neocon."

As for the bias:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8784670&postcount=7
NationStates moderation is based on acting against rule-breaking in the games and the forums. Political opinions do not factor into official decisions by moderators. We make our rulings and interpretations as official representatives of NationStates, and are acting in the name of Max Barry. Our only agenda is RULES ENFORCEMENT. It's often the case that posters who lack the control to post within the rules also hold strong opinions on other matters, and it may appear that the mods are suppressing a particular viewpoint. This is NOT the case. Anyone who shares that viewpoint and manages to post within the rules is welcome to express their opinion.

Mods are players too: Moderators have political, religious, and social opinions, and they are welcome to express them on the forums. In most cases, mods will add a "Moderation Team" signature block when posting in their official capacity, and all mod posts in Moderation and Technical are considered official unless specified otherwise. Otherwise, Mods are free to roleplay, argue, or otherwise post in any forum just as any other player may.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9591691&postcount=5
If he is neutral , he just appologises, I have been wondering for days why my topic in wich (not you) dozens of people found amusement was boycoted and the same posted by a buddy (?) would stand on general?
I am not about to apologize when I have done nothing wrong. Your demand has nothing to do with neutrality and everything to do with your not agreeing with my actions.


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9539717&postcount=29
BTW, Katganistan was "warned" on page 2 of the "new" topic, just read post 29 on this page: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread...43&page=2&pp=15 I did not post that -- someone else quoted me. How can you hold me accountable for something I DID NOT POST IN THAT THREAD?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9591793&postcount=10
You're getting personal. Close the topic (and explain why? Katganistan did not then, we are all still waiting, or do you think that the other posters understood?) like you should do and back of.
You are the one getting personal here.

Other examples can be given on demand Give them.

What is your point Perhps you're to new on NS to know (no need to regard my date, was here since the begining, before ou with Para, long time ago, lost my nation after half a year abroad, came back later)... That is the difference with the old mods and the mutul respect we had n NS in the early days. For you moderation seems to be a fight aginst the community and a full time need to score whenever you can "bust" someone and pump your post account so.

You can't be that old if you have no clue that GMC Military Arms has been a moderator FAR LONGER than I have.

Now, what in the world possessed you to complain about threads that were locked nine days ago TODAY? Because I've been on vacation and haven't been here to close new threads, which you show as proof of my bias? Or perhaps because my absence for the last five days might suggest I wouldn't be around to challenge your accusations?

Euh let's agree that a =b and that my banned topic is a, a was banned and b is there. I tried, btw what is your point? It is quite simple you know. The post i made in moderation was also not intended for one hat knows shit about older situations.Once again, instead of using facts to make your case and attempt to persuade me of what your case is, you have chosen to hurl insults and "get personal," which you have accused GMC of doing. You have also repeatedly committed the common debate fallacy of ad homenim. As far as I'm concerned, you have lost the debate on several levels by resorting to personal attacks.

Aaah, I understand you wan't to be a future mod? That question/comment is COMPLETELY irrelevant. Unless you somehow can read my mind, I don't recall telling you or anyone who knows you whether or not I want to be a moderator. And whether or not I want to be one is irrelevant because I've had my share of run-ins with Moderators. There is a right way and a wrong way of approaching an appeal of a Moderator decision. You have been going about it wrong pretty much the whole time in this thread.

Since when do you give me orders, kid?
Since when do you get personal instead of debating with arguments kido (wow a guy on NS in his twenties calls me a Kid?) Since you're starting nicknaming I guess you proved thatyou lost the debate. Again topic "A" is just like topic "B", you closed mine withouth reason (still waiting).
Or knowing your "style" now, I guess you will falsifie the topic and put in a sneeky way some explanation.



I've been here since Feb '03. If that's too young to know, who does know? So you're late. But that is not the topic. A=B and B is still open

[QUOTE=GMC Military Arms]We are not omnipotent or omnipresent. 'We did not see it' is a perfectly adequate explanation if we did not see it.
Are you talking fr Katganistan? It is nice that you start giving a kind of explanation but you havan't before. And A=B and B is still open
Further, the existence of an unlocked thread that breaks the rules does not excuse your breaking the rules
Where am I breaking the rules? Ringing the bell you mean? Jezus, since my announce you've done everything to attack me and even started with nicknames "kid, aso.." instead of doing what every decent one should have done: saying that you (in fact not you, you're just defending your collegue and rather well, but not enough since it is a lost case, you can only win some understanding, not the match that you're making from it) ) were wrong and give a explanation.




I am And you are not the community, .
You offended 12 pages of posters by closing my topic, again withouth explanatin and allowing others a continued same topic. You surely are not the community, since most posters were disapointed in the Mods actions.
you are a single poster with an incredibly high opinion of himself.

Wow, the world on top. First, again a abuse of moderation wih your continued nicknaming. You really aren't able to debate aren't you?
Kid, you're a very arrogan person that has a incredibly high opinion of himself if not you would have excused for yourmistake by now and another time for yur personl attacks A mod, that starts personal atacks and nicknaming, unseen.

Just admit that you made mistake, instead of fighting a battle over it. your fight prooves that you still have not understand the (very simple) situation:
A=B
A=closed
B=open

But I understand that you don't understand it (now)
My latest two cents.


I

Just admit that you made mistake, instead of fighting a battle over it. your fight prooves that you still have not understand the (very simple) situation:
A=B
A=closed
B=open
I'll freely admit that I don't understand this Timecube-esque diatribe. What the hell are you talking about?

I'll freely admit that I don't understand this Timecube-esque diatribe. What the hell are you talking about?What I think he's saying is that there are two threads of a similar nature, both point to the same quiz and both have the same or similar thread title. yet his was closed and locked (without explination, from what he says), but the other is still open and viable.

thus the cry of Mod Bias in their actions.

I'll freely admit that I don't understand this Timecube-esque diatribe. What the hell are you talking about?
Translation: Why did you yell at ME when everyone ELSE is doing it?! IT'S NOT FAIR!!!!

Or there abouts.

As an aside, is this the situation known as suicide by Mod action in action?

As an aside, is this the situation known as suicide by Mod action in action?

Nah, not a suicide-by-mod. I would have to call this more of a Sheol Syndrome in action. Lots of claims of OMG BIAS!, and then either nothing or almost nothing to prove it.

Since when do you get personal instead of debating with arguments kido (wow a guy on NS in his twenties calls me a Kid?) Since you're starting nicknaming I guess you proved thatyou lost the debate. Again topic "A" is just like topic "B", you closed mine withouth reason (still waiting).
Or knowing your "style" now, I guess you will falsifie the topic and put in a sneeky way some explanation.

Yes, let's not look into the hard vacuum where your point or evidence should be, and instead decide things on the basis of whether or not I called you a kid even though you've been screaming that one of my colleagues was biased and cowardly since the first post. If we're deciding this on who threw the first insult, you've lost by a long shot, in both the severity of the insult and the first to use it.

Again, B is irrelevant. Tu Quoque fallacy.

So you're late. But that is not the topic. A=B and B is still open

B is irrelevant. We are not going to unlock your topic because someone else broke the rules the same way you did. If you wanted the other topic locked, you went about it entirely incorrectly. We don't reward this kind of bizarre ranting and slinging of insults.

And A=B and B is still open

Ad nausiem. It's not going to get any better if you repeat it. B is totally irrelevant.

(in fact not you, you're just defending your collegue and rather well, but not enough since it is a lost case, you can only win some understanding, not the match that you're making from it)

You're very fond of telling us you're right. Try showing us you're right.

You offended 12 pages of posters by closing my topic, again withouth explanatin and allowing others a continued same topic. You surely are not the community, since most posters were disapointed in the Mods actions.

Then where are they? I see one poster here; you, a flamer called 'Mr Basil Fawlty' who lost his nation because he didn't know how to follow the rules. Everyone else is telling you to chill and stop ranting.

Wow, the world on top. First, again a abuse of moderation wih your continued nicknaming. You really aren't able to debate aren't you?

Style over substance fallacy.

Kid, you're a very arrogan person that has a incredibly high opinion of himself if not you would have excused for yourmistake by now and another time for yur personl attacks A mod, that starts personal atacks and nicknaming, unseen.

There is no mistake for me to excuse. You cannot accuse a moderator of being corrupt and cowardly and then retreat to claiming you just wanted a single thread we hadn't seen locked.

You have made serious allegations which you have totally failed to back up with anything, you have told outright lies and personally attacked a colleague of mine and you have claimed a vendetta against you exists on the basis of a single locked thread.

You will have no apology, and you are very lucky that's the only thing.

Baiting a moderator? Nice touch.
Baiting? Asking explanations after being nicknamed by a mod (see proof above)
Wow, a joint mod offensive, you people really planed well, but is is not the best way to show your honnesty so.


You seem to be forgetting that GMC Military Arms is a Moderator.
Why am I forgetting? that is a assumption..
You have yet to provide any sort of proof that Katganistan did anything wrong.
Hello!!!Anybody awake inside? What is your problem with the comparision of two identic topics: one closed, another not! It is simple you know :rolleyes:


You say that we know and see all around NS? Give me a break. We're volunteers for NationStates, we don't get paid for this. All of the things that we do are out of the free time that we have.

Well at last, that is what I wanted to hear. Was that so difficult? Heat of to you sir, you're the first to say that (and withouth the nicknaming and iunneeded personal attacks of yur collegue). You hereby admit that a mistake has been made and that you're human.
I fucking don't care about that mistake, but I just hate the fascist ubermensch-attitude and the disrespect that your collegue spread out here. I asked simple questions, he/she replied with nicknaming and acting like he/she did not understand and saw no problem.




Once again, I fail to see how GMC is wrong. We can't see all threads, since we do have real lives (hard to believe, right? :rolleyes: ) along with real jobs and families. There are times that we do rely on the player base to report things to us in the Moderation forum.

Of course, just like me (a mountainguide-skiteacher) you have real lives, or did I say that you did not have?
You don't see how GMC etc? Well I do, the only simple thing that I would do with a "cient" ( in my life they are clients) is admitin when make a mistake, instead f attacking the messanger with a input of sidedebates. Sidedebates instead of recognising the problem and solving it, that is the problem with GMC.
The only thing that he had to say was admiting that there was a mistake. Point.

I'd love for you to provide examples of us "busting" other people for no reason because you know, we're bitter people and we love causing trouble around here.
:) Don't be bitter,i see you people are, but come and climb Mont Blanc and ski it down (ski-mountaineering is my speciality), later we'll show you stressed city people some of our last clean places and will try to give you a view and understanding of the environment, in cooperation with the scientist of the world knowed Anenea institute. You don't have to affraid of he sillence here high, you'll get used to it, like many of our US climber clients, you'll go back as a normal and less stressy person.



You're right. You've made a mistake at the judgement of the moderators, particularly Katganistan. I feel that you owe her an apology for your abrasive attitude against not only her, but to the rest of the moderation staff with your baseless accusations, especially GMC Military Arms. Point.

Like said and proven again now, Kat, GMC and you owe me a apollogise.
BTW, the topic is still open and you still have not explained the difference between the two

Now I'd normally be quite sympathetic to this sought of thing, but dude you have no case and make no sense.

Other examples can be given on demand
I'm demanding. If you choose to post again in this thread, it better contain those examples. Understood?

Don't interfere, since you don't know the situation.
If you value your continued access to NationStates at all you will not tell one of my moderators where they are welcome when it comes to moderating. If you do that you will quickly discover that regardless of your desires, we will moderate where we are needed.

Finally, if it were not for your arrogance you would have noticed that in the very first post by a moderator, we stated that we're not omniscient and can miss threads. Instead, you brush this off as irrelevant so that you can continue your groundless tirade against us. You begin this thread with attacks and mud-slinging and yet carefully dodge ever supporting your points. This is not the way to win a debate or prove moderator bias.

P.S. I've been informed that your nation has been deleted for your last post. Can't say that I disagree with that decision. I hope that you learn from this so that we don't meet again. Enjoy your new nation and your new chance to become a positive contributor to NationStates.

P.S. I've been informed that your nation has been deleted for your last post. Can't say that I disagree with that decision. I hope that you learn from this so that we don't meet again. Enjoy your new nation and your new chance to become a positive contributor to NationStates.he was deated?

wow... today I've seen almost everything. Glad I stayed on.

First it was the ID10T that ignored Unoffical/Offical warnings and got a forumbanned

now it was a deat...

today was simply... the pits for you mods...

*places platter of fresh baked cookies for all the mods.*

Night all.

I think someone here hasn't gotten enough hugs.

However, due to his caustic nature, blatant disregard for a little thing called tact, and a tendency for unnecessary drama and hysterics, something tells me he's not likely to get what he needs here. Hugs -or- his way.

Ah well. I suppose I could say this sort of thing never gets old, but it does. Now I'll sit back and wait for the frothing-at-the-mouth attack from this little darling, and the accusations of being a mod suck-up or such tripe that is sure to come. Lets see if he remains true to form, shall we? Sometimes seeing what crap the monkies are going to start flinging next is the only reason to keep peeking in here after all.

--Nathi's Player

PS: Usually, if one has a problem or a question or a concern, it is more fruitful to address it without ranting, raving, insults, and baseless accusations right off the bat. In case you missed that somewhere in all your long years of knowing how to handle yourself in situations of conflict and such. Or just knowing how to handle yourself in general. No 'wanking off to conspiracy theory' puns intended.

This message brought to you by the Common Sense Committee. We believe that if more people used it, we'd have less problems. YMMV.


(Aaaaand ... beaten to the post by someone far better equipped to chide. Hopefully this hasn't been too out of line.)

Dread Lady Nathicana, (love the name btw. :D ) today was simply... a parade of Mod actions.

Euro was really put to the test and this just happened to be the perfect climax to a very... active day for the Mods.

have a cookie.
*offers platter*

Yay, cookies! *nibbles*

Yeah, can see it's been one of those wonderful days for the crew, aye. For what it's worth, no, I don't always agree with mod calls. Surprise, surprise. I do however think that overall, they do a damn fine job, and this sort of crap well ... it vexes me.

Ya got content to challenge a call with? Go for it. Ya got crap? Keep it to yourself. Just an opinion.

(And thanks on the name. Long story, that. *grins*)

Dread Lady Nathicana, (love the name btw. :D ) today was simply... a parade of Mod actions.

Euro was really put to the test and this just happened to be the perfect climax to a very... active day for the Mods.

Yup. So I propose a Moderator Appreciation Day to let them know that not all of NS thinks they're biased, and that most of us appreciate the job that they do.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9592229

*Sigh*; Murphy's Law #96211: As soon one (I) get over one's (my) strange interest in monitering the Moderation forum -- threads like these will indefinately pop up.

Ahem. Now children, this is a prime example of how not to go about appealing a Moderator's decision. If you want to do so correctly, but dont know how, click on my guide in my signature (How to CORRECTLY Appeal a Moderator's Decision). Or else, see SalusaSecondus' OFFICIAL ruling within the One Stop Rules Shop. [/Plug]

The best way to appeal a mod decision involves three steps.

1. Be polite and diplomatic.
2. Be correct and cite rules.
3. Be polite and diplomatic (step 3 also includes having good grammar, or at least proof reading your appeal post).

Okay, quick thing...

<SNIP>
I fucking don't care about that mistake, but I just hate the fascist ubermensch-attitude and the disrespect that your collegue spread out here.
</SNIP>I have to just mention how I think this was the craziest accusation I've ever seen. The moderators on this forum are rather lenient and try to mead out dicipline to teach, rather than punish (I am sure Kat knows this best of all given her profession). Was everyone who was involved in this thread getting heated? Maybe, but that didn't give VF the right to fly off the handle. I am glad that Sal showed up when he did, lest not the headache get larger.

I will ask though, is it the intention of MOD to leave this thread open such that someone else may start screaming bias for the DEAT, or shall it be closed so we dont see it anymore (until the next time someone stays at the keyboard a bit too long)?

**NOTE** Nothing in this reply was ment to sound like flame/flamebait/trolling... if you have read it as such, please re-read it, I was aiming to sound like the voice of reason, not anger people.

E-Xtremia, didn't sound like trolling to me.

I think it's been left open for a couple of reasons.

1) Everyone's seen the accusation, everyone has seen the attempts of both moderators and non-moderators to defuse the situation and get to the bottom of the complaint. A pretty transparent process here.

2) Locking the topic before now would have simply invited a string of "Why did you lock my thread OMG BIAS!" threads.

3) Since the complaint was a claim that my behavior needed review, I'm leaving it to other mods to decide when it needs to be closed. Wouldn't seem proper for me to lock, IMO.

I rarely post, I lurk and enjoy the fireworks but I am truly impressed by the restraint of the mod team in this instance and feel the need to say thanks. I know I would never have the patience to remain civil that long. Thanks for keeping the peace; the good guys always have the toughest jobs.

If you ask me, this entire thread is proof of mod bias. The mods gave him multiple chances to prove it, were overall civil, only responded in annoyance in response to his idiotic comments when they became too much, and only DEATed him when he insulted the mods too many times. So, after that, I must conclude the mods are biased towards fairness.

If you ask me, this entire thread is proof of mod bias. The mods gave him multiple chances to prove it, were overall civil, only responded in annoyance in response to his idiotic comments when they became too much, and only DEATed him when he insulted the mods too many times. So, after that, I must conclude the mods are biased towards fairness.

Thanks for the kind words!

"The report of my death was an exaggeration."
-Mark Twain, After reading his own obituary, June 2, 1897

I think I need to play Devil's advocate here.

Anyone ever seen an instance, where an appeal (like this one, only not written in quite such a stupid manner) actually was listened to?

Seems like this guy got all nasty, cause you folks were making fun of him from the beginning.
Not that he didnt have it coming, but still...

Ever seen an appeal 'listened to'? Several times. Many times, actually. Indeed, I don't think I've ever seen an appeal ignored, just not always having resulted in the action the poster had hoped. I've seen decisions reversed on account, in fact. So much for that.

For myself, I don't see why the mods should have to handle anyone with kid gloves and pack them in cotton so they don't get their egos or whatever bruised. They have a lot on their plates, deal with it in as efficient a manner as possible. This often means short, concise answers that the more 'sensitive' types out there just don't feel are sufficient or tend to their 'needs'. That shouldn't be the mod's problem.

Yes, some do get more curt or the like than perhaps they should. They're human just like the rest of us. So far as I've seen in other moderation posts, when they get out of line, they get spoken to. I'm sure there's plenty that goes on behind the scenes that the rest of us aren't privy to - even when they've been called out in public, people have bitched about it, so it shouldn't matter whether we know they got talked to or not. In addition, given the sorts of horrendous attacks we've all seen made on them, from time to time, I think the record so far stands in their favor. Either you're gonna trust the system, or you're not. They've already proved that transparancy doesn't change people's opinions - folks will think what they want.

Regardless, as has been pointed out thousands of times here and elsewhere, just because someone else behaves badly gives no excuse for you to respond in like kind, or escalate it. Advocacy aside, what I saw was nastiness on the complainer's part more than getting baited into it. *shrugs* YMMV there. In any case, it's been dealt with, and I've rambled on long enough.

I think I need to play Devil's advocate here.

Anyone ever seen an instance, where an appeal (like this one, only not written in quite such a stupid manner) actually was listened to?

Seems like this guy got all nasty, cause you folks were making fun of him from the beginning.
Not that he didnt have it coming, but still...actually... yes, I've seen mods review their judgments and had locked threads opened and even apologize to some people for warning handed out in error.

and then there was once where a mod acted on an RP thread [s]he was participating in... (the name of the mod excapes me) and the other mods did review and reverse the action with the Mod apologizing to that thread as well as here in General.

and as Dread Lady Nathicana said, I've never seen any appeal or even inquiry ignorned. they may take their time to review and get other mods opinions, but it's never ignored.

I think I need to play Devil's advocate here.

Anyone ever seen an instance, where an appeal (like this one, only not written in quite such a stupid manner) actually was listened to?

Seems like this guy got all nasty, cause you folks were making fun of him from the beginning.
Not that he didnt have it coming, but still...

I have also seen appeals granted, including one by myself regarding another forumbanned poster. Upon appeal, the forumban was lifted. But then that appeal was made in a respectful way posing an honest question on the rules rather than an attack on the mods.

I have also seen appeals granted, including one by myself regarding another forumbanned poster. Upon appeal, the forumban was lifted. But then that appeal was made in a respectful way posing an honest question on the rules rather than an attack on the mods.


Oh dont get me wrong Im not saying this particular instance was a clear abuse of power, or any such thing.
If I were a mod, I would have done the same as most of the ones who have made comments on this thread.
Im just wondering how often a properly handled appeal is supported by the Moderators.
I know they read them all, but I myself have never seen one overturn a decision, even when they have overreacted.
Mind you, that doesnt happem very often, but it does happen.

Nobody is perfect, even NS mods.

Last I saw no one was claiming perfection, now or previous. I fail to see what your issue is here, fuzzy. *shrugs* Just because you haven't seen a thing does not mean such doesn't exist. You've already seen several people attest to having witnessed turnarounds and the like. As I said earlier - either you trust the mod team to do the best they can, or you don't. Nothing anyone says here is going to change your mind if you're firmly set on one side of that or another, so pointless speculation and 'well -I- never saw it' commentary really isn't terribly helpful. Just ends up sounding ... pissy.

Not that you aren't free to post as you like that way, within standard forum guidelines, just lke any of us.

The Parthians and I were warned for flaming on International Incidents because I told him I was ignoring him and he told me he was ignoring me. Frisbeeteria later retracted the warning after talking to other Mods and finding out that a polite notification of an ignore was not considered flaming. He also apologised.

So it does happen that a decision can be reversed, and sometimes without the reversal initiated by another player.

Last I saw no one was claiming perfection, now or previous. I fail to see what your issue is here, fuzzy. *shrugs*

I wasnt aware that I had any "issue", at all.


Just because you haven't seen a thing does not mean such doesn't exist. You've already seen several people attest to having witnessed turnarounds and the like. As I said earlier - either you trust the mod team to do the best they can, or you don't. Nothing anyone says here is going to change your mind if you're firmly set on one side of that or another, so pointless speculation and 'well -I- never saw it' commentary really isn't terribly helpful. Just ends up sounding ... pissy.

Well, honestly, I really dont care if you think Im pissy or not.
I wasnt trying to further any kind of crusade, nor do I have any peticular beef with any moderators.
If you somehow interpereted my earlier posts as such, you are mistaken

I only mean to imply that the Mods are human, and indeed make mistakes from time to time.
However, because they are essentially the highest authority, within easy reach, thier decisions are usually final.
Unfortunately, this sometimes leads to them making a quick decision, and then sticking by that bad call..
This of course, does not happen very often, but it does happen.
No system is perfect, I suppose.

Not that you aren't free to post as you like that way, within standard forum guidelines, just lke any of us.

Thanks for your permission.

Unfortunately, this sometimes leads to them making a quick decision, and then sticking by that bad call..
This of course, does not happen very often, but it does happen.

Provide specific examples or stop making vague, useless allegations of nebulous corruption, please.

Ah well. Everyone has an opinion or interpretation. I'm just as fallable as the rest - including yourself. No, no system is perfect, but this one has ample avenues for pursuing explanations, questioning decisions, etc. All it takes is some common sense, and some modicum of tact. Really shouldn't be all that difficult.

I also didn't directly call you 'pissy'. I pointed out that a particular behaviour makes you sound 'pissy'. If you feel that applies to you, and that you were indeed acting in a way that matched, so be it.

No issue? Seems you must have one somewhere, or you wouldn't 'feel you must play Devil's advocate' in a thread where it's patently obvious to most everyone else that the person bitching was being ridiculous. Even with others stepping up to show that your roundabout accusations are inaccurate, you still seem hung up on the fact that the mods have the final say, and you don't. Again, interpretation, and quite likely wrong, but there you have it. You see something you don't like? Work with the system to change or fix it. People do it all the time.

As for permission ... wasn't granting it - not my right. Just stating the obvious. Kinda like your continued 'the mods are human' statements (as if they'd be anything else). Sorry you managed to miss it. ;) Apologies in any case for getting you all riled up. Was attempting to clarify a few things as I've observed them, not shooting for insulting you or anything.

Now I'm going to sit back and wait to see those specific charges GMC asked for. It's interesting to see what different people feel are infractions or outright abuses of power in this game. Sometimes good change or reform comes from it. Sometimes it's just good for a laugh.

*gets the giggles picturing the mods as highly-trained monkies or sentient slime molds or whatever else they might be besides 'human'*

Provide specific examples or stop making vague, useless allegations of nebulous corruption, please.


Sorry, GMC.

Like I said earlier, Im not trying to start any sort of crusade.
Ive seen quick reactions by Mods, that ended up being misunderstandings,
yet deletion was the result.
My original nation was one such unfortunate circumstance.

However, I dont want this to seem like Im ragging on you folks.
99 times out of 100, any actions you guys take are warranted.
Im simply saying you guys arent infallable.

Its ok to be human.

That's right, Timmy. The Mods are human and it's OK to be human. That point has been made repeatedly and obsessively in this thread. You can stop beating it with a sledgehammer, now.

I really don't know what your point is other than to belabour a fact everyone agrees on. The fact is that for the purposes of this thread, it's irrelevant. In spite of their humanity the Moderation Staff has collectively acted responsibly and with remarkable restraint in the face of vicious provocation. They don't always, but this time they did.

Everyone knows that the Moderators are not infallible. The Moderators themselves freely admit that they're not infallible. You claim you don't want to be seen as ragging on folks, but frankly, you are. You can stop now. Really.

Standard Disclaimer: I am not a Moderator. I am not forming a religious cult. I am not and never was a member of the Communist Party. Will that do, Senator?

Hey mods! Perhaps y'all should thank him for his kind permission for y'all to be yourselves. You know - human and all. As opposed to Giant Space Squiddies. Or something. And for shedding the Light of Revelation upon you, opening your eyes to the fact that ye are not Gods, and are in fact capable of now and then making mistakes. You know - like humans do on occasion. As opposed to say, Perfect Omniscient Immortals or the like.

I'm sure it all comes as a great surprise. Perhaps he ought to be awarded a medal or something for finding the Truth and enlightening us all. I mean gosh, I'd have never known. :eek:

(Yes, people - this is known as Sarcasm, delivered very much tongue in cheek, and not intended to be at all taken seriously. For those who might get a touch confused: That's ok. It happens.

And no ... no I could not resist, for I am Weak. Mi dispiace.)

Sorry for changing the subject... actually not really a change...

Saw that Caribel got back and proved that some people really cannot learn. so for removing that flaming troll...


Cookies and Muffins all around. GREAT WORK GUYS!!! :D

think [s]he'll be back?


EDIT: Mods are humans? thought they acended to a higher plane when they recieved their Modhood... Just joking guys. Hope I never give you guys grief.

Actually we are giant space squiddies. (Or at least I am. I'm not sure about Cog though...)

Seeing, though, as this thread is really serving no further purpose:

*Salusa pulls out a tiny silver key from his pocket, inserts it directly into the thread, and twists*