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How to CORRECTLY Appeal a Moderator's Decision

Austar Union
27-08-2005, 10:13
How to CORRECTLY Appeal a Moderator's Decision

I'm quite aware that both Euroslavia and Frisbeeteria have been working on formulating some guide on how to correctly appeal a Moderator's decision, but alas; the last time I heard about it happening was some time ago. Whether they have since forgotten / not worked on one / still working on it, et cetera is beyond me -- but for the time being, I havent exactly seen much of a decrease of anti-Moderator stigma while we are waiting for the guide. Hence, I have taken it upon myself to write a guide on how to appeal -- using the correct channels, and without finding yourself at odds with them.

Please do not consider these the official rules, but rather my own player advice.


I have recieved a warning, what is it concerning?

Before posting on the Moderation forum, you should always do your own homework first. Since the Nationstates Moderation team are quite busy even outside of the game, I believe it to be more considerate if we try to sort such problems ourselves, and then as a last resort go query the Moderators. Therefore, before posting -- please visit the One Stop Rules Shop (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416023) , by Frisbeeteria. If you can find anything within that list which you believe to have done yourself, then it is likely to be related in some form to the warning you have recieved. But if you cannot, feel free to post a polite query asking the exact nature of the warning you have recieved. Remember however, making demands for answers will not help your cause, and neither will a bad case of rudeness. Be fair -- its in your own interest also.


What if I disagree with a Moderator's decision?

Trust me when I say this -- Ive seen it plenty of times, do try to avoid arguement situations with the Moderators. Now, one might try to claim that this is because the Nationstates Moderation team are biased and what-not, but besides the truth, this isnt the case. Moderators are genuine people who only volunteer their time and efforts -- to do the best job possible. Often, when one is arguing their case against the Moderators, people tend to become bitter / aggressive in their tone and language, and resort to such things as flamebaiting, or even flaming in certain cases. And ultimately, if you want them to understand your points, you need to argue your case with reasonability -- enough so that they will listen and consider the points you bring up. Of course, if you argue with them, taunt them et cetera, it will only cause them to shut down -- as it would be with anyone on Planet Earth.



Forum-Related Issues

If the nature of the issue is forum-related, then please file Requests of Review in the Moderation Forum (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=1231). The exception for this, will be for issues concerning a forum-ban, which you should then file a appeal on the Getting Help Page (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=help). When you do post your Request, please make sure to be clear on both the mood and tone of your post -- so to avoid confusion as to the intentional meaning of your post. Afterall, what stops you from sounding like the guy who just doesnt accept a Moderator's desision, and handles the situation incorrectly. I recommend that you make use of any of the templates I have provided (See Next Post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9525912&postcount=2)), however not doing so will not warrent a penalty from the Moderators. These are simply provided for your own use, if you wish to use them.

In the meantime, if you recieve a ruling (on your Request for Appeal) from two or more Moderators, or if your topic is locked, then you can consider that your answer to your request, for Stage One of the Appeal Process. Of course, if you are still unsatisfied with the Moderator's decision, then you should move onto stage two of the Appeal Process (See Point 3).


In-Game Related Issues

If your concern is In-Game Related in nature, then you ought to use a different method of appealing your Moderator's decision. In this case, the Getting Help Page (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=help) is your friend. I have also included templates for you to use, in lodging a Getting Help appeal if you so wish to use it (See Below (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9525912&postcount=2)). In the meantime, if there are forum issues - include links to any related threads; for deletions - include either an alternative Nation Name, or an email address that the Mods might be able to contact you on. Include any information you think might be helpful -- remember, help them and they'll be more likely to help you.

Game-Rulings are Logged by the Nationstates-System. When you file an appeal to the Moderators, your request will be passed onto another, and the decision whether or not to repeal the original ruling will not be made by the same Moderator who made it.


What happens if I disagree with the Moderator's response, again?

If you recieve the answer to your Appeal, and you still feel unsatisfied with the ruling which has been given -- then you may make one final appeal. In this case, it must be done via the Getting Help Page (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=help) -- regardless of its nature in question. When you file this request, be sure to note within its description that it is your "final request". Just think, it wouldnt look so favorable if they saw one user continiously posting for Appeal. Also if you do post excessive amounts of Appeals, you might even recieve a warning for "spamming". Please, do follow the rules here.

In the meantime, your appeal will be logged in a place for all Moderators and Administrators to see. It will be judged by a panel of four (or more) Moderators, including at least one Senior Game Moderator, or Administrator. The original ruling Moderator however, will not participate in the deciding of your appeal for the purposes of fair decision-making - although they might be the one you recieve your answer from. Do note however, that an Administrator reserves the right to over-rule that ruling at any time, and an Administrator's word is final. And do be patient, your request might take anywhere from a few days to a week or two. If you do not recieve a response within a month, file another request via the Getting Help Page -- only, and to only ask the status of your Final Appeal's application. Any less amount of time may be considered spam, and will be frowned upon -- hence not furthering your own position.


I have done all that, what now?

Unfortunately, once your Final Appeal Request is turned down, there is little you can do. Fortunately in the meantime, by using these appropriate channels - and by following the guidlines I have set out above, you wouldnt have gained for yourself any extra warnings. I suggest that at least for now, you just accept the Moderator's decision as it is, whether you agree with it or not. Afterall, by flaming / arguing / flamebaiting the Moderators -- or even the Administration which I have seen in one case; you will only harshen your punishment. Fair or not, thats the way it is. Its been time and time again said by appealers; "But this is a democracy!". Unfortunately for you, such political systems dont exist on the World Wide Web, and thus; this website isnt. And please, dont email [violet], SalusaSecondus, or Max Barry -- they have much important things to do than to continuously monitor Nationstates.net for Moderation issues.

If there is anything that the Moderators want to adjust, edit, or even add / remove, then they are free to do so. If you wouldnt mind however, just create a small log at the bottom of this post, so that my own opinions arent misrepresented. Thankyou. In the meantime, below is a list of links you might find necessary - for easy navigating.

Nationstates Home (http://www.nationstates.net) ~ Nationstates.net

Jolt Forums (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/) ~ Property of Jolt.Co.Uk

Terms of Service (TOS) - Nationstates (http://www.nationstates.net/pages/legal.html) ~ Legal Documentation for Nationstates.net

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=faq) ~ Nationstates.net FAQ

The One-Stop Rules Shop (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416023) ~ Compiled List of Rules, by Frisbeeteria, Others

Official Appeals Process Guide (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9530191&postcount=9) ~ Written by SalusaSecondus - Nationstates Administrator

[Moderator Edit - Cogitation] "manner" should be "matter". "moniter" should be "monitor". [/modedit]
[Moderator Edit - Euroslavia] "desision" should be "decision". "nessasary" should be "necessary". [/modedit]
[Player Edit - Austar Union] Added the link for SalusaSecondus' official guide to Moderator Appeals. Updated to better reflect the Official Guide. Added Extra Formatting. Adapted Template Guide to Suit.[/Player Edit]
Austar Union
27-08-2005, 10:51
Examples and Templates

Below is an example / template listing, as according to the guide I have written. You are free to copy & paste, with your own details posted as you wish.

Please do not consider these the official rules, but rather my own player advice.

Enquiring as to the Nature of a Warning
Your Post (On the Forums)
Hello Moderators. I have recieved the following warning in my telegram inbox yesterday afternoon -- however I am unsure as to the cause. Would you mind posting for me some kind of clarification as to what its for? Thankyou in advance.

[Copy & Paste Telegram / Post Here]

Moderator's Response
[Insert Moderator's Response]

Your Response, If Need Be
Ah, alright. Thankyou very much.


If you are unsatisfied, and wish to appeal



Forum-Related Appeal
Your Post (On the Forums)
Hello Moderators. If I can, could I please file an application for appeal for the following case, since I dont quite agree - but didnt want to cause a fuss. If you could do that, it would be appreciated -- thankyou.

Links & Reference Material: [Insert Links, References, etc.]
Statement of Arguement: [Insert Statement Here]

Moderator's Statement
[Insert Moderator's Statement]

Your Response, If Need Be
Alright, thankyou for your time.

In-Game Related Appeal
Problem Description

Another Player is: Other: Response to a Moderator

Desription:

Hello, recently I recieved the following warning from a Nationstates Moderator.
[Insert Quoted Warning Here]

I filed an enquiry on the nationstates forums here, as to its nature.
[Insert Link to Your Enquiry]

And I recieved the response from [Insert Moderator's Name] the following message.
[Insert Quoted Response from Forums]

In the meantime, I thought the following material might be helpful in making your decision. [Insert Reference Material] [Insert Alternate Nation Name and / or email.]

Could you please review my case, since I disagree with the ruling been made. [Insert Your Explaination Here]. If you could do that, it would be appreciated. Thankyou.



If you are still unsatisfied, and wish to make a Final Appeal
Problem Description

Another Player is: Other: Response to a Moderator

Desription:

Hello Moderators / Admin. Please note that this is my Final Appeal for the issue regarding [Insert Description].

Please find within this request all of the links and references nessasary.
[Insert Links and References][Insert Alternate Nation Name and/or email]

[Insert Your Statement of Arguement]

In the meantime, thankyou for your time on this issue -- your help is much appreciated. Thankyou again



If you treat the Moderators with respect, then they will in turn treat you with respect also.
Derscon
27-08-2005, 16:12
*applause*

I can vouch for this -- I was an ass to moderators once -- okay, a few times. Thankfully, as far as I know, I was never officially warned, but it makes moderators upset, to say the least, and then you get a bad rep, and bad reps mean they're more likely to hit the DEAT button.

Bad idea. :D

Other than that, awesome job.
Gruenberg
27-08-2005, 16:17
Nice guide. Has this been added to any of the stickies? It should be, I think.
Derscon
27-08-2005, 16:21
Nice guide. Has this been added to any of the stickies? It should be, I think.

I agree.
E-Xtremia
27-08-2005, 16:49
I too enjoy the guide, but in last line of the third subdivision of the first post, you say "And please, dont email Max Berry --" On the cover of both my books by him, I see it spelt Barry, just thought you might like to know (though, I dont know why he ditched an X after writin Syrup)
Austar Union
27-08-2005, 17:27
Yikes, Edited.

Thanks for the comments guys, much appreciated. Hopefully though, I can at least detour at least one player from death-by-moderator. If I have achieved that much, then I am satisfied. Besides, being a regular viewer / reader of the forum myself, it can be bloody annoying to watch users just miss the point.
Gruenberg
27-08-2005, 17:32
Also in terms of SPAG, a couple of words ('havent' and 'Ive', I think) need apostrophising -- and one or two of the en-dash usages seem a little awkward to me.
Austar Union
27-08-2005, 17:53
That's just how I write. But if I come across anyone (official) actually telling me to edit, then I can do so.
Euroslavia
27-08-2005, 20:02
Linked to in the Guide to the Moderation Forum (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9450936#post9450936)
Infidels and punks
27-08-2005, 20:58
I thought the mods' decision was final? All I've ever done appealing against decisions is gotten told that whatever I've asked ain't gonna happen.
Gruenberg
27-08-2005, 21:09
The mods' decision is final - it's just a question of which mods. There could be - and have been - times where it is judged that a particular mod has acted improperly. Ultimately, there's a command structure, and if you believe a mod has acted improperly, the admins may be compelled to act. Of course, such incidences are few and far between. But you have the right to appeal - this guide is intended to show how best to submit that appeal.
The Nazz
27-08-2005, 22:55
The mods' decision is final - it's just a question of which mods. There could be - and have been - times where it is judged that a particular mod has acted improperly. Ultimately, there's a command structure, and if you believe a mod has acted improperly, the admins may be compelled to act. Of course, such incidences are few and far between. But you have the right to appeal - this guide is intended to show how best to submit that appeal.
And I've seen a few occasions where speaking to the mod who made the decision, if done so respectfully, can cause a re-examination of the situation that got you the warning. It won't happen often--my experience here has been that an official warning, and especially a forumban, usually comes only after repeated unofficial warnings, so if you get one, it's unlikely that a mod has just gone crazy on you.
Austar Union
28-08-2005, 01:01
Linked to in the Guide to the Moderation Forum (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9450936#post9450936)

Thankthee Euroslavia. Well, I'm certainly honored ~ For the most part, this guide was inspired at the amount of frustration I had when reading the continious arguements against the Moderators... leading to further bannings, et cetera et cetera. That, and I just wanted to help out.
Hersfold
28-08-2005, 01:30
Thankthee Euroslavia. Well, I'm certainly honored ~ For the most part, this guide was inspired at the amount of frustration I had when reading the continious arguements against the Moderators... leading to further bannings, et cetera et cetera. That, and I just wanted to help out.

You've earned the Hersfold Medal of Respect. Nice work, and damn good idea.
Pompey FC
28-08-2005, 02:27
And I've seen a few occasions where speaking to the mod who made the decision, if done so respectfully, can cause a re-examination of the situation that got you the warning. It won't happen often--my experience here has been that an official warning, and especially a forumban, usually comes only after repeated unofficial warnings, so if you get one, it's unlikely that a mod has just gone crazy on you.

This is true, at one time my main nation was deleted because I was believed to have been behind a griefing, simple fact was I was a stupid native that unknowningly supported a raid.

Made a nice, respectful enquiry into why I was deleted, explained my case without any form of yelling and my nation was returned to me :)

Oh hail the Moderators/Administrators of NationStates for your thoughtfulness :D
Austar Union
28-08-2005, 03:11
Well, for added note -- it seems that SalusaSecondus has chosen to add his own guide on the Appeals process of Nationstates. Please use that for as your official Nationstates guide. Thankyou.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9530191&postcount=9
Frisbeeteria
28-08-2005, 03:14
This still has value as a model of courteous behavior, but should be modified to reflect the reality of the new appeals process that the mods and admins hammered out over the last month or so.
Austar Union
28-08-2005, 03:18
Let me examine Salusa's guide then, and I'll adjust this to make it more accurate.
Austar Union
28-08-2005, 05:02
Added the link for SalusaSecondus' official guide to Moderator Appeals.
Updated to better reflect the Official Guide.
Added Extra Formatting.
Adapted Template Guide to Suit.


Any thoughts / comments? Is it still easy to read ~ and is it accurate enough?
HotRodia
28-08-2005, 08:11
Added the link for SalusaSecondus' official guide to Moderator Appeals.
Updated to better reflect the Official Guide.
Added Extra Formatting.
Adapted Template Guide to Suit.


Any thoughts / comments? Is it still easy to read ~ and is it accurate enough?

I read it again and I like it even better than before. :)

Excellent work. The templates will be especially helpful I think.
Austar Union
28-08-2005, 10:28
Thankyou. Its too bad that I forget whom it was who actually suggested the idea of creating more examples, et cetera et cetara -- but the true credit goes to them. I just wrote / worded the sucker :p . But no, the true reason I added it in was because of my consideration of the fact that so many people often claim "Oh, but I didnt mean it like that" -- and unfortunately the warnings had already been handed out. Hopefully -- although I doubt it -- it might just make an impact and mean lesser occurances of such scenarios.

Thankyou for the comments though, 'tis much appreciated.
Euroslavia
28-08-2005, 19:16
It looks fine to me.
Austar Union
02-10-2005, 17:53
I think this thread deserves a healthy Bump. It seems that some of the Player Base have since forgotten what the correct procudures are, and so a helpful reminder could prove to be handy. >_>
Asmodean
02-10-2005, 21:17
Thank you for the bump. I would have missed it otherwise. Interesting reading. (Been away for awhile).