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Bogus warning

Kertua
28-07-2005, 01:42
I just recently looked in my telegram inbox and saw that 5 hours ago I recieved a telegram from NationStates Moderators that goes as follows...

From: NationStates Moderators
Received: 5 hours ago

Message: "Stop spamming RH in the Rejected realms."

WTF is RH? look on the Rejected realms message lodges which dates back 7 hours ago and you will see that the word "Kertua" doesnt appear even once. I dont like being accused of things I didnt do, so I want these bogus warnings to stop coming, whoever sent this to me needs to pay attention to whatever he/she is doing.
Jjuulliiaann
28-07-2005, 01:48
I think that RH is Regional Headquarters.
Kertua
28-07-2005, 01:54
I think that RH is Regional Headquarters.

Ahh ok, well I'm not positive where that even is unless its one of their forums or the civil HQ were you lodge messages. Either way, I never posted even one message in any of the rejected realms forums let alone spammed them. I've heard of NS mods being tempermental/touchy, but never heard of them making up things and placing wrongfull blame.
Jjuulliiaann
28-07-2005, 02:46
Ahh ok, well I'm not positive where that even is unless its one of their forums or the civil HQ were you lodge messages. Either way, I never posted even one message in any of the rejected realms forums let alone spammed them. I've heard of NS mods being tempermental/touchy, but never heard of them making up things and placing wrongfull blame.Regional Headquarters is the Civil HQ.
E-Xtremia
28-07-2005, 02:46
1) Dont be so quick to place blame... it may be a minor mistake...
2) I belive Mod, not Tech is the place for this thread
Kertua
28-07-2005, 03:09
1) Dont be so quick to place blame... it may be a minor mistake...
2) I belive Mod, not Tech is the place for this thread

1) it is a mistake, I even offered proof.

2) Well then to whoever is responsible, pay attention to what your doing as some people like myself dont like being accused of things they did not do.
The Most Glorious Hack
28-07-2005, 04:39
RH is Regional Happenings.

And just because something has scrolled off doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Since people filing complaints can send snapshots of the (then) current state, it is quite easy to verify, even hours or days later.

2) Well then to whoever is responsible, pay attention to what your doing as some people like myself dont like being accused of things they did not do.This does not help your case.
Kertua
28-07-2005, 06:21
RH is Regional Happenings.

And just because something has scrolled off doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Since people filing complaints can send snapshots of the (then) current state, it is quite easy to verify, even hours or days later.

This does not help your case.

Time doesnt stand still friend, I first posted this complaint almost three hours before you found your way here and posted on this matter,which was a total of 8 hours since I recieved the bogus warning about spamming the forum...I might be mistaken but Rejected Regions is possibly one of the biggest regions there is and so by the time you found your way there the screen had been cleared from the time my spamming was said to have happened.

And maybe I should have taken a picture, but what proof would that have provided as once the screen had cleared you wouldnt know exactly when the posts in the picture happened as no date is posted with them.

Back when I originally posted this the posts from that time of the day were still there, mine was said to have happened 5 hours ago from the original post of this thread and I believe there were still ones from like 7 hours before hand, so yes it did prove my point, you were simply to late to see it.

2) My case doesnt need to be helped, I provided proof of the fact that I did not spam the forum and eventhough the proof now no longer exists that does not mean that it at one point did.

I'm not positive of what your suggesting here, but I wont simply smile and say "okie dokie, I know I didnt do this but I will just accept it." because thats not who I am, and if these mods/techs/whoever are too lazy to verify things before they start placing blame then maybe they need to be replaced by someone who can do their job and do it correctly.
Crazy girl
28-07-2005, 07:08
oh, this'll be fun!

Maybe you should pay attention to what Hack said? He told you, RH stands for regional happenings. Not the Civil HQ, where you make posts. Not the Rejected Realms offsite forums (where mods have no jurisdiction, but it's my forum there).

Regional Happenings are the people moving in and out the region, mostly. Regional happenings spam is moving in and out a region over and over again.

Through the Getting Help Page, people can report rulebreakers, such as Regional Happenings spammers. They can add a snapshot of that moment through that page. These reports, from what I know (as a non-moddie) have timestams, so they know exactly when the spamming happened.

Also, it would be nice if you keep in mind this is a free game, and the moderators who try to keep the game fun for everyone here are volunteers. They don't need to come like your little loyal puppies if you have a complaint. A little patience can't hurt.
The Most Glorious Hack
28-07-2005, 07:44
Help Page, people can report rulebreakers, such as Regional Happenings spammers. They can add a snapshot of that moment through that page. These reports, from what I know (as a non-moddie) have timestams, so they know exactly when the spamming happened.The complaint itself has a timestamp and the screen capture is just that. A screen capture, letting us see the offence in question.

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Time doesnt stand still friend, I first posted this complaint almost three hours before you found your way here and posted on this matter,which was a total of 8 hours since I recieved the bogus warning about spamming the forum...I might be mistaken but Rejected Regions is possibly one of the biggest regions there is and so by the time you found your way there the screen had been cleared from the time my spamming was said to have happened.

A Screen capture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_capture) doesn't care what the Regional Happenings looks like now, as it is an image of what it looked like then. Two months from now, the screen capture will still look exactly the same. And since this is done by the game itself, they cannot be forged.

2) My case doesnt need to be helped, I provided proof of the fact that I did not spam the forum and eventhough the proof now no longer exists that does not mean that it at one point did.Assertations are not "proof".

I'm not positive of what your suggesting here,I'm suggesting that you check your attitude at the door when requesting clarification from the Moderators. I don't think we're out of line wanting people to be polite and show a little common courtesy when asking about actions we've taken.

but I wont simply smile and say "okie dokie, I know I didnt do this but I will just accept it."Brush up on your reading comprehension. I never said that you were to grin and bear it. If your complaint was being ignored out of hand, this subject would have been closed. People can, and do (frequently), challenge Moderator decisions, after all.

if these mods/techs/whoever are too lazy to verify things before they start placing blame then maybe they need to be replaced by someone who can do their job and do it correctly.Your suggestion has been taken under advisment.

I'm sure your sunny disposition will make us just drop everything to help you out.
Der Fuhrer Dyszel
28-07-2005, 07:49
Kertua, nicely said, look, you were just given a warning. For the amount of grief you are causing, it was as if you were banned. Accept the warning; the moderators have their evidence and have made their ruling.

Fighting it will not improve anything at this point.

We have all gotten warnings in our gaming experience here; the only thing to do is just accept it unless of course you had a DoS or IP Ban over this.

Furthermore, as CG said, the moderators are volunteers who have rightfully earned their positions in NS. I would think twice before jumping the gun and slinging accusations at them. They deserved and worked to be where they are now.....they do not just delete and warn random people without some sort of proof.

I ask that you give them the respect they have earned.
Kertua
28-07-2005, 08:33
Maybe you should pay attention to what Hack said? He told you, RH stands for regional happenings. Not the Civil HQ, where you make posts. Not the Rejected Realms offsite forums (where mods have no jurisdiction, but it's my forum there).

This also puzzles me, if this is claimed to have happened on an offsite forum were "mods have no jurisdiction" then why did I recieve an in-game NS message from the NS Mods about this?

I was confusing Civil HQ with Regional HQ. This should only help my case though as I have never posted even one thread or reply in the Rejected Realms Civil HQ, for that matter I've never registered on these forums or even visited them.

A Screen capture doesn't care what the Regional Happenings looks like now, as it is an image of what it looked like then. Two months from now, the screen capture will still look exactly the same. And since this is done by the game itself, they cannot be forged.

You first said "snapshot"...for some reason I thought you meant taking a picture with my digital camera of the civil HQ forum showing the time in question and that I had indeed not posted anything at all during this time span.

Assertations are not "proof"..

This wasnt an assertation, it infact was valid proof that I did not spam...the only problem is that I prooved that I did not spam a seperate forum, not the one in question.

I don't think we're out of line wanting people to be polite and show a little common courtesy when asking about actions we've taken.

And I dont think that I am out of line in not wanting to be accused of something I didnt do and you nor anyone else has absolutely no proof of me doing.

Furthermore, as CG said, the moderators are volunteers who have rightfully earned their positions in NS. I would think twice before jumping the gun and slinging accusations at them. They deserved and worked to be where they are now.....they do not just delete and warn random people without some sort of proof.

They do warn people without valid proof, I am positive of this because I know what I did during today, I was here with myself, trust me I know...I'm not saying everyone should believe me just because I say so, but I know for a fact that I didnt spammed any forum.

Lets see this proof now, who has it? NOONE!...why? Because it doesnt exist!
Crazy girl
28-07-2005, 09:05
Gah, do I need to spell it out to you?

You spammed the regional happenings. Regional happenings look like this:

* 20 hours ago: The Big Cheese of Durnia arrived from Lazarus.
* 1 day ago: The Republic of Say no to drugs zer0 departed this region for Omicron Fleet
* 2 days ago: The Republic of Say no to drugs zer0 arrived from The East Pacific.
* 3 days ago: The Community of Redneck Mechanics departed this region for Texas
* 4 days ago: The United States of DT 1571 departed this region for Puppets
* 4 days ago: The United States of DT 1571 arrived from Invade_me.
* 6 days ago: The Most Gloriously Modified Easter Egg Hunting Nation of Griefer Slayers departed this region for Cuba
* 9 days ago: The Green Cheese Moon of Chibi chibi arrived from The Rejected Realms.
* 9 days ago: The Green Cheese Moon of Chibi chibi departed this region for 0 BEER DRINKERS 0
* 12 days ago: The Scary Ubiquitous Presence of Voice of Mud arrived from Gnomeclass.


Spamming them would go like this:

Regional Happenings

* Seconds ago: The Green Cheese Moon of Chibi chibi departed this region for That Place Over There
* Seconds ago: The Green Cheese Moon of Chibi chibi arrived from Warzone Airspace.
* Seconds ago: The Green Cheese Moon of Chibi chibi departed this region for Warzone Airspace
* Seconds ago: The Green Cheese Moon of Chibi chibi arrived from Warzone Airspace.
* Seconds ago: The Green Cheese Moon of Chibi chibi departed this region for Warzone Airspace
* 1 minute ago: The Green Cheese Moon of Chibi chibi arrived from Warzone Airspace.
* 2 minutes ago: The Green Cheese Moon of Chibi chibi departed this region for Warzone Airspace
* 2 minutes ago: The Green Cheese Moon of Chibi chibi arrived from Warzone Airspace.
* 3 minutes ago: The Green Cheese Moon of Chibi chibi departed this region for Warzone Airspace
* 5 minutes ago: The Green Cheese Moon of Chibi chibi arrived from That Place Over There.
Kertua
28-07-2005, 09:36
Gah, do I need to spell it out to you?
Well, that helps...now I am certain of what we are talking about.

I remember creating my own region so I could leave one of the ones you get dumped into when you first arrive (pacific, east pacific ect) and I didnt like the name so I ejected myself, created a new one and then that was it. So it would have been something like this...

X hours ago: The Republic of Kertua arrived from oldregion.
X hours ago: The Republic of Kertua departed this region for newregion

I came in and left, since when is that spamming?

You spammed the regional happenings.

Were is your proof? I keep asking but you nor anyone else can seem to come up with any.
The Lone Alliance
28-07-2005, 09:42
They don't want you to just make a new region just because you 'didn't like the name' Regions take up space you know.
Crazy girl
28-07-2005, 09:45
actually....that is allowed. You can make new regions, as long as you don't spam and they don't break the ToS. (and it isn't done in an illegal way, like griefing, then refounding)
Potinum
28-07-2005, 10:57
Kertua, please please please just except and move on. What was essentially a "talking to" will develop into much more heap trouble for you. The mods know you now, may remember you in the future, which is not good. Walk away before it is too late.
Liverpool England
28-07-2005, 11:44
Were is your proof? I keep asking but you nor anyone else can seem to come up with any.

TMGH has already told you. A report was made, timestamped an all, screen sapture and all, against you. I don't think he can reveal much more, OPSEC is important to the mods.
Katganistan
28-07-2005, 12:16
Hello.

When you go back and forth between two regions, the Regional Happenings is indeed spammed.

When I saw your name three times on the Rejected Realms RH board in about ten minutes, I sent you a warning.

Now, if you want to bop through the Rejected Realms to cover up your trail, that's fine... but if you go repeatedly between the Rejected Realms and temp_region_1j9k2243 within a few minutes, you're spamming, mmmkay?
Katganistan
28-07-2005, 14:16
Were is your proof? I keep asking but you nor anyone else can seem to come up with any.

God forbid I should sleep.
Shazbotdom
28-07-2005, 18:42
Kertua

Arguing with the admins won't help you. Disrespecting them won't help you.



Then do NOT have to disclose ANY proof to you whatsoever. It is at their discretion to do so.



Just my $0.02
Kertua
28-07-2005, 19:14
actually....that is allowed. You can make new regions, as long as you don't spam and they don't break the ToS. (and it isn't done in an illegal way, like griefing, then refounding)

I dont think the region I created did any of those, if it was illegal in some way I assure you it was unintentional. I wanted to move to my own region because while in Rejected Realms I cant look up my stats on NSEconomy...something about region being to big.

Kertua, please please please just except and move on. What was essentially a "talking to" will develop into much more heap trouble for you. The mods know you now, may remember you in the future, which is not good. Walk away before it is too late.

I'm not sure who you are to be handing out threats for the mods/techs/whoever, but I already said I wanted this explained and that I wasnt going to just "grin and bear it".

TMGH has already told you. A report was made, timestamped an all, screen sapture and all, against you. I don't think he can reveal much more, OPSEC is important to the mods.

That doesnt offer me any proof, your basically telling me that the only proof that exists is the admin/mods word and I'm not going to accept this just because they say this happened, if you make these kinds of accusations then you should be able to prove them.

Hello.

When you go back and forth between two regions, the Regional Happenings is indeed spammed.

When I saw your name three times on the Rejected Realms RH board in about ten minutes, I sent you a warning.

Now, if you want to bop through the Rejected Realms to cover up your trail, that's fine... but if you go repeatedly between the Rejected Realms and temp_region_1j9k2243 within a few minutes, you're spamming, mmmkay?

Now your saying that I went between Rejected Realms and temp_region_1j9k2243 repeatedly in the timeframe of a few minutes? Well now I can offer you some hard proof that I did not do this...go look at Temp region 1j9k2243's page and you will see that once I (Kertua) entered I did not leave even once.

God forbid I should sleep.

God forbid people, even mods and admin should have proof to backup the accusations they make.
Crazy girl
28-07-2005, 19:20
actually, they don't need proof. Or maybe to the admins. If you don't agree with a mod decision, you could always email admin
Shazbotdom
28-07-2005, 19:22
OOC:

Dear Kertua,

The mods do NOT have to send you ANY proof that they have of accusations against you if they feel that you are not on a Need to Know basis. And you demanding the proof isn't going to help you obtain the proof, that will just get your enemies within the ranks of the moderation, and trust me, you don't want that.
Crazy girl
28-07-2005, 19:25
OOC:

Dear Kertua,

The mods do NOT have to send you ANY proof that they have of accusations against you if they feel that you are not on a Need to Know basis. And you demanding the proof isn't going to help you obtain the proof, that will just get your enemies within the ranks of the moderation, and trust me, you don't want that.

conspiracy theorie anyone? :p

mods get picked in a bit different way than "oh, that guy doesn't like that one guy we don't like, so let's mod him"

And all posts here are OOC anyways...
Katganistan
28-07-2005, 19:37
:rolleyes:

Yes, I have nothing better to do than persecute someone I've never met, for something they've never done. Really now.
Kertua
28-07-2005, 19:44
actually, they don't need proof. Or maybe to the admins. If you don't agree with a mod decision, you could always email admin

So now I need to email an admin to get this done?...were do I go to find this form, addy or w/e I need?

OOC:

Dear Kertua,

The mods do NOT have to send you ANY proof that they have of accusations against you if they feel that you are not on a Need to Know basis. And you demanding the proof isn't going to help you obtain the proof, that will just get your enemies within the ranks of the moderation, and trust me, you don't want that.

Ooh, so mods/admin dont have to prove anything while I even offer proof that what Katganistan claimed was wrong and that I, infact did not leave temp region after I first created it.
Katganistan
28-07-2005, 20:57
The admin e-mail is Salusa@nationstates.net.
Kertua
28-07-2005, 21:14
The admin e-mail is Salusa@nationstates.net.

Thank you for trying to help clarify this issue, and I am sorry for being so rude in my posts on this thread,I've found that its usually the only way to be heard however.
Crazy girl
28-07-2005, 21:19
Funny, I found out the opposite :D

also...next time you quote people...make sure to put the right quote with the right name? Thanks.
The Most Glorious Hack
29-07-2005, 02:56
I've found that its usually the only way to be heard however.No, it's a good way to get us to want to ignore you.