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Why was my proposal deletet?

InfoSoc
24-06-2005, 17:59
And how do I submit correctly so proposal is not deleted?

My proposal »Restrain Cultural Monopoly« (text below) has been deleted by a mod.
He said limitations on copyright law had nothing to do with Social Justice.
I have a different opinion on this: To restrict the freedom of companies to monopolize cultural goods an respecting the interests of general public has a lot to do with Social Justice imho.
(Resolution would also »increase basic welfare« if you understand welfare to be not just money but also the right to copy or play a song or to use a medicament or technique.)

If mod position is different (I know, there are cultural differences about what we mean when speaking about Social Justice or welfare, and we are players from all over the world),
well, then please tell me which is the appropriate category to resubmit the proposal (hope this is allowed) without deletion.

Best regards and thanks for helping

InfoSoc

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proposal text:

Restrain Cultural Monopoly

This resolution aims at limiting the monopolization of culture, in particular ideas, techniques and creative work to a fair and balanced level, in order to enrich general public and boost cultural and particularly technical development.

Article 1
Prohibitit very general and unused trademarks:
a) Colors can't be protected trademarks.
b) Single characters can't be protected trademarks.
c) Common words can't be protected trademarks.
d) Very simple sounds can't be protected trademarks.
e) Trademarks not used over a period of five years are no longer protected.
(This aims at preventing monopolization of language and culture of growing exuberantly.)

Article 2
Limitations in protectability:
a) "Creative" work that lacks inventive ingenuity gets no protection.
b) Medicaments, therapies, mathematic formulas, physical theories, algorithms, computer programs, bussiness ideas, genes and biological lifeforms are not patentable.
c) protective rigths as copyright and patents not used over a period of five years expire.
(The interest of general public outweighs the one of private individuals in monopolisation of the above mentioned.)

Article 3:
Limitations in protection periods:
a) Member nations have a window of opportunity by the right to set validity periods of rights protecting creative work including and patents individually.
b) So-set validity-periods may not exceed 20 years for patents and 50 years for other creative work. There is no restriction for setting the validity period of trademarks.
(Creative people shall be rewarded for their work, but not untill the end of time.
The goal is to establish a fair balance between rewarding inventors and creative people with protective rights and the interest of general public.)
Blehm Industries
24-06-2005, 18:27
perhaps there is a population limit, where you must have a certain population or it is not trustworthy
Yelda
24-06-2005, 18:32
This would be considered an amendment of the UCPL resolution. Amendments are not legal. You need to first repeal the UCPL, then submit a replacement. Also, the time frames outlined in the final section probably make it illegal. Resolutions take effect immediately, they can't be phased in.
Edit. I'm not a moderator, so these are just my opinions and they could be wildly off-base. Are you sure it didn't just expire naturally? What day and time did you submit it?
InfoSoc
24-06-2005, 19:48
perhaps there is a population limit, where you must have a certain population or it is not trustworthy
No there is no such limit.

This would be considered an amendment of the UCPL resolution. Amendments are not legal.
I know that amendements are not legal, and I don't think this would be an amendement. Do more people (in particular mods) share the opinion, that this would be an amendement? (btw: UCPL should be repealed anyway, it is worthless to say all UN member have the same copyright and patent laws without specifying those laws. Just like saying, everybody has some civil rights without defining which are the rights..)

Also, the time frames outlined in the final section probably make it illegal. Resolutions take effect immediately, they can't be phased in.
Resolution effects are immidiate ones. This resolution would just limit validity periods of patents and copyrigth.

Are you sure it didn't just expire naturally?
Yes I am sure. As I wrote in the initial post, the proposal got deleted by a mod for being in the wrong category.
Cogitation
24-06-2005, 20:50
For the record, I am not the Moderator who handled this case.

That said.... Copyright laws restrict Economic Freedoms because the law is saying that nobody else can make copies of the work in question without the permission of the copyright holder. Eliminating or relaxing copyright laws would, therefore, increase Economic Freedoms.

The "Social Justice" category restricts Economic Freedoms while the "Free Trade" category increases Economic Freedoms. Thus, if you want to limit or eliminate copyright, then that goes under "Free Trade", not "Social Justice".

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator
InfoSoc
24-06-2005, 21:00
Ok, thanks for explanation, Cogitation.
You're right, economic freedom would be increased.

Do you share Yelda's position, that this would be an amendment of the UCPL resolution?
Cogitation
24-06-2005, 21:07
Ok, thanks for explanation, Cogitation.
You're right, economic freedom would be increased.

Do you share Yelda's position, that this would be an amendment of the UCPL resolution?I'm not familiar with most of the resolutions. Which number is that resolution? I need to look up the full text.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
Flibbleites
24-06-2005, 23:22
I'm not familiar with most of the resolutions. Which number is that resolution? I need to look up the full text.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
It's resolution #45.