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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9065994 - the thread; pretty civil thus far

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9065994&postcount=9 - no idea what the intent of this is but it seems rather uncivil.

Leprous monkeyballs has decided that they are going to be uncivil in my rather civil thread.

I've decided not to address them directly and give this to the mods.

And upon reading this, would the mods please lock this thread until there is a reply from the mods looking into this.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9066115&postcount=20

I'm ignoring him, but I'm not sure about others. But thus far he has been ignored. May I request moderator opinion on this?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9066183&postcount=24

You know what? After reading this, I feel the urge to forget what civility means.

I'm from Toronto and I am greatly offended by this!

Naderomics isn't too civil, either...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9066203&postcount=134

I think I may go home and let the trolls cool off for a while. Buy you a beer?

'Leperous monkeyballs' was joking, as I thought was fairly obvious...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9066025&postcount=11

Of course, I'm not entirely sure whether that is taken into consdieration. Is it?

I don't really care if he was joking. You just don't make the kind of "jokes" this guy made on these forums.

I call his behavior trolling, as I have attempted to relay to the mods on #themodcave. Thus far no response there either.

I also find the nationname slightly offensive...

I don't really care if he was joking. You just don't make the kind of "jokes" this guy made on these forums.
Well, if that's the case, I'll shut up about it. I just didn't know whether it was taken into consideration.

I call his behavior trolling, as I have attempted to relay to the mods on #themodcave. Thus far no response there either.

I also find the nationname slightly offensive...
I as well, though I'm leaving that for the mods to axe him on that.

Oh and I would have called his behaviour trolling but I got a nice set of possible flames thrown my way in another thread after I defended against his citation on my use of "the church is retarded", and made it clear that I shouldn't stand up for myself in a thread where he cites my posts. :rolleyes:

I'm trying to remain civil, but now...screw it! Whispering Legs, pass me a beer!

Sheesh,

Can we all spell "personal vendetta"?


you're just pissed because I took exception to you hijacking my thread here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=425566 and are looking for retribution, and are feigning anger at obvious satire in your thread - the first post of which WAS productive as it portrayed the intolerance viewpoint and shit on it at the same time.


Frankly, I don't think anyone will see this complaint as anything more than the sour grapes that is clearly is.

If sarcasim and satire are cause for mod intervention then maybe I don't belong here . . .

Leperous monkeyballs: Prior to you posting hte link, I had not seen it. Therefore your accusations concerning a "personal vendetta" have no grounds. I shall do as the mods most likely want us to do now, and say nothing more untill after a ruling.

Whispering Legs, Kryozerkia: Mind if I join you in the beer session?

Leperous monkeyballs: Prior to you posting hte link, I had not seen it. Therefore your accusations concerning a "personal vendetta" have no grounds. I shall do as the mods most likely want us to do now, and say nothing more untill after a ruling.



Wasn't accusing YOU of making it personal Cotland. After all, you didn't start the thread.....


Just curious, but exactly what the fuck did I say in the Gay Wedding thread that you personally find to be in violation of the TOS? I mean, did I say something about Torontonians that was more egregious than what Republicans and Democrats (or Americans versus Euros) toss at each other here every day?

Or is just my choice of vocabulary?

Whispering Legs, Kryozerkia: Mind if I join you in the beer session?
The more the merrier. ^_^

The only offensive parts were "fudge-packers." The incessant use of "fucking" may violate TOS, but I personally think it deserves nothing more than being labelled annoying, which it is.

This deserves AT MOST a warning, probably not even that. It was, after all, sarcasm.

Wasn't accusing YOU of making it personal Cotland. After all, you didn't start the thread.....

Ok. Nice to know that it wasn't aimed at me. Thank you.

Just curious, but exactly what the fuck did I say in the Gay Wedding thread that you personally find to be in violation of the TOS? I mean, did I say something about Torontonians that was more egregious than what Republicans and Democrats (or Americans versus Euros) toss at each other here every day?

Well, I believe that you committed several counts of trolling in the thread (almost every post you made there seemed like trolling in my eyes, but I'm not a mod). I also consider your name to be obscene, thus a violation of the TOS. Further more, I see it as my duty as a user of this forum to report violators of the rules to the appropriate authorities. It's nothing personal.

Or is just my choice of vocabulary?

That too might have influenced my judgement. Especially your extended use of profanity (which I belive there are some rules against? :confused: )

The more the merrier. ^_^
Cheers

::opens a bottle of beer::

The only offensive parts were "fudge-packers." The incessant use of "fucking" may violate TOS, but I personally think it deserves nothing more than being labelled annoying, which it is.

This deserves AT MOST a warning, probably not even that. It was, after all, sarcasm.That's YOUR interpretation of it. I found pretty much all of the posts to be offensive and they weren't even directed at me.

Beyond that, however, the way he's responded toward Kryozerkia and others IN THIS FORUM deserves at least a warning, if not worse.

And I want in on the whole beer thing!

I agree with Sarzonia. The guy deserves (in my honest opinon, but keep in mind that I'm not a mod) a warning. That makes it strike two for him ,and unlike baseball, he's out (aka DEATed). I'll stop debating this now, and wait for the almighty mods to arrive at the scene of the crime.

:: passes a bottle of beer to Sarz ::

I agree with Sarzonia. The guy deserves (in my honest opinon, but keep in mind that I'm not a mod) a warning. That makes it strike two for him ,and unlike baseball, he's out (aka DEATed). I'll stop debating this now, and wait for the almighty mods to arrive at the scene of the crime.

:: passes a bottle of beer to Sarz ::
I fully agree.

I hope the mods clear this up, and I'll respect any decision they make (short of deleting me of course ;) oh what, am I being too picky... :D ) even if it makes me froth at the mouth.

Cheers mate!

Of course I'm not a mod either, same as all of you. However, here is my take on it. "Lets mess with the new guy" is what the thread should be called. I'm not even a mod and I can clearly see that Kryozerkia did take it personally that he/she was cut out of the conversation that he/she flip flopped on in General to Moderation. So that's a no brainer.

Now, as to his post (monkeyballs) , it appeared fairly obvious to me that the message he was trying to convey is that "who cares?" in other words, who cares if you're straight or gay. If a gay person gets married it doesn't effect a straight person's marriage. I agree. He used sarcasm to get his point across and for me that's added bonus points for being creative. If it was lost on some, I suggest you get a sense of humor.

The third issue, his nation name, what exactly is offensive about it? If we want offensive nation names he doesn't even cross the line of some of the people on this sites nations. For example, "Sneaky Bastards" some may find that offensive, but I don't. He also appears to be a good NS player. So, as far as his nation I think that is more than a moot issue.

Finally, his use of the word FUCK, if we ban people for using the word fuck, than a lot of us can expect to get deleted shortly, myself included. He has never told anyone to "go fuck yourself" or anything like that, he has always used it as a descriptive term which is within the rules.

I see this as nothing more than a lynch party to go after the new guy. I think it's really pathetic, so you don't like his style, maybe someone doesn't like your style. However, if you can get past your own "taboos" and look at the message he tries to convey in his posts you'd see he is offering just as much insight as anyone else I've ever seen on this forum, in fact, the way he's doing it reminds me of a fabulous blogger, sort of famous too, have you ever heard of the "Rude Pundit"? He's great to read.

So relax, Kryozerkia, move on.. you posted this because you were pissed at him, it's pretty obvious dear.

Xan!

*snip*
I doubt the mods care what I think, but I agree with Xanaz.

I doubt the mods care what I think, but I agree with Xanaz.
I'd have left the newbie alone if they hadn't decided that they were going to quote me in an attempt to make themselves look better after they received an official warning, before the unofficial one I received along side (which I know I didn't need to defend, but they did quote me and told me not to meddle :rolleyes: ).

They didn't have to take the insults to a personal level with the swearing; as it does weaken their argument. Swearing does tend to be viewed as an alternative for those who lack the extra vocabulary to eloquantly express their utmost discontent.

While it may have appeared to be a vet railing on a newcomer, they could've been spared if they hadn't quoted me and just fought their warning. Further, they decided to be disruptive in another thread of mine which I have used this one, to report to the moderators. While they do have every right to post, they were more than satisfied to attempt to spread discord.

Further, Xanaz, if I were truly to comport my ire unto him, I'd have sunk to his level and elected to use the same cognitive-process deprived retort methods. I was experiencing a case of severely ruffled feathers.

Am I being cocky in this? Perhaps diplomacy does come with a subtle nuance of arrogance, though 'tis better than spewing random rubbish.

Further, Xanaz, if I were truly to comport my ire unto him, I'd have sunk to his level and elected to use the same cognitive-process deprived retort methods. I was experiencing a case of severely ruffled feathers.

Am I being cocky in this? Perhaps diplomacy does come with a subtle nuance of arrogance, though 'tis better than spewing random rubbish.

I can neither confirm nor deny that I happen to know who "Leperous monkeyballs" is in real life. I can tell you this much, I do know that you probably would be unable with all due respect to sink to his level, I just don't think you're witty enough to. Second, try having an intelligent conversation with him some time, he'll make you eat your words. It was sarcasm, well founded sarcasm I might add. Man, what a bunch of uptight people here complaining. Good thing not everyone on NS is this uptight, or the site would cease to be fun anymore.

Ok I think we need to all chill ... all settle down and lets just let the mod make the ruling

Ok I think we need to all chill ... all settle down and lets just let the mod make the ruling
Yeah, let's.

Given that this complaint has roots in another complaint currently under review, it won't happen fast. 25 posts of idle speculation and counter-condemnation isn't helping things either.

Take a break, people.

I'm from Toronto and I am greatly offended by this!You just don't make the kind of "jokes" this guy made on these forums.I also find the nationname slightly offensive...
I thought we had made it amply clear that the Mods are not here to prevent anyone from being offended. In fact, Max stated in the FAQ, "You don't have to be politically correct, but you must maintain a minimum standard of behavior." I would certainly agree that Leperous monkeyballs makes no effort to be politically correct - quite the opposite, in fact.

Or is just my choice of vocabulary?
That's a big factor. As we all know, "Obscenity is the crutch of the inarticulate motherfucker." Your use of "fudge-packer" pushes the limit of "a minimum standard of behavior", as do several other comments in the linked thread. I read all of it as rude satire, bordering on flamebait, with a not-very-delicate soupçon of trolling. I promise you that pushing the edge in that manner will cause problems on this board, and lead to your eventual deletion.

Get out of my thread! How dare you say such things about Torontonians! You know nothing about us! You're making extremely broad generalisations and I for one do NOT feel in the mood to tolerate such bigotry!
Then perhaps you need to take a break, Kryozerkia. First, you don't "own" General threads. Once it's out there, it's open season for anyone to post in (subject to site rules, of course). In the roleplay forums, the thread originator has a bit more leeway in terms of controlling the thread, but those rules most emphatically do NOT apply to General.

As for bigotry, Max Barry has made it abundantly clear that he tolerates racists, bigots, and members of ANY political or social opinion for civil debate. The rules of civility are drawn by the six key phrases in the FAQ: obscene, illegal, threatening, malicious, defamatory, and spam. While some people might equate profanity with obscenity, that has not been the enforced standard here for some time, and I'm not going to make it so now.

As for defamatory, I'm ruling that the attacks on Toronto are flamebait directed at Kryozerkia, whose "Location: Toronto, Canada" make him/her the apparent target. As such, an Official Warning for Leperous monkeyballs is in order.

I as well, though I'm leaving that for the mods to axe him on that.Beyond that, however, the way he's responded toward Kryozerkia and others IN THIS FORUM deserves at least a warning, if not worse.I agree with Sarzonia. The guy deserves (in my honest opinon, but keep in mind that I'm not a mod) a warning. That makes it strike two for him ,and unlike baseball, he's out (aka DEATed).
I'm extremely irritated at the level of sanctimonious self-righteous acrimony in this thread, particularly when it comes to the definition of mod punishment. I remind you all of the proverb, "Judge not, lest ye be judged." We know how to do this job, and your input is not particularly welcome.

As for defamatory, I'm ruling that the attacks on Toronto are flamebait directed at Kryozerkia, whose "Location: Toronto, Canada" make him/her the apparent target. As such, an Official Warning for Leperous monkeyballs is in order.


While I thank you overall for this balanced ruling, I would assure you that I had not noticed Kryozerkia's location prior to that statement. Indeed, if you read the thread you will note that I only expounded on the steriotype view of Toronto as a response to Nadkor who had completely missed the initial satire. It was a continuation of the initial joke, and had not been intended in any way as an attack in one person's direction.

Making fun of Torontonians in general and Leaf fans in particular is, after all, pretty much a national sport in Canada in much the same way as some people steriotype Californians, Arkansas hicks, or New Englanders in the US. Feel free to scan the web for the number of jokes that end with Hell freezing over followed by the Leafs winning the cup.

In this case, clearly a case of bad timing. Hell, I hadn't even noticed that it was Kryozerkia who had made the initial post. I just saw the chance for the joke and went with it.


But, whatever. Your call, however as I have pointed out - I may be rude but I AM honest. I'm not here to argue with Mods or carry on personal vendettas with other players. I am here for one reason only - to amuse myself. If others are amused or offended by my words is really not a huge issue for me.


But, I will try to take some of the edge off some of my linguistic choices as there apear to be some awfully thin skins and underdeveloped senses of humour hereabouts. In self-imposed punishment I'll suffer through a few episodes of Will & Grace to find a more prime-time-accepted colloqialism for homosexuals.

Making fun of Torontonians in general and Leaf fans in particular is, after all, pretty much a national sport in Canada in much the same way as some people steriotype Californians, Arkansas hicks, or New Englanders in the US. Feel free to scan the web for the number of jokes that end with Hell freezing over followed by the Leafs winning the cup.

I think it's sort of sad and funny and all ironic at the same time! The one thing he got "an official warning was the best documented fact about anyhting else he wrote in this post. See, this is the problem with different cultures sometimes. If you're Canadian and follow Hockey you know what I mean. The only difference of course is that is Kryozerkia being from Toronto. They had to know that. So, I respect the moderators ruling, all the while knowing that Kryozerkia played everyone like a fiddle.

When Hell Freezes Over! (http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&as_qdr=all&q=Leafs+win+cup+hell+freezing&meta=)

Don't know what else to say.... :confused:

Edit: I just thought of something, if the leafs win the cup and hell freezes over as most Canadians would agree, I wonder if that will be the sign of the end of days! :D

Just to show further that this is so common place of a thing to say for Canadians, even the Toronto Star did a huge article on "Why Do They Hate Toronto" So... I mean, you know what I mean.

Why Do They Hate Toronto (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1107643814349&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154&DPL=IvsNDS/7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes)

Fris?

Just to show further that this is so common place of a thing to say for Canadians, even the Toronto Star did a huge article on "Why Do They Hate Toronto" So... I mean, you know what I mean.

Why Do They Hate Toronto (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1107643814349&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154&DPL=IvsNDS/7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes)

Fris?
Fris will let you know what he thinks, but in the past satire and “inside joking” they usually make the decision based off of what an uninformed reader would think on entering the thread

*not a mod but have seen their rulings on this sort of thing in the past*

But anyways I am sure fris will make it clear as always their ruling (as clear as they can)

Yeah! I'm sure they will. ;)

Flamebaiting with a cliché is still flamebaiting. The ruling stands.

Flamebaiting with a cliché is still flamebaiting. The ruling stands.
Thank you. Could the mods please lock this thread now that there is a ruling?

Flamebaiting with a cliché is still flamebaiting. The ruling stands.


Ruling noted and accepted.


Just curious, but how the hell are ANY of the threads around here NOT warned for flamebaiting though? You can't read a political thread without someone tossing out some assinine generalization of the opposing side. You can't get into a regional discussion without some generalizations of other countries being tossed out.


Frankly, if cliche is outlawed, you had best close up shop.

Ruling noted and accepted.

Yep, I guess no choice.


Just curious, but how the hell are ANY of the threads around here NOT warned for flamebaiting though? You can't read a political thread without someone tossing out some assinine generalization of the opposing side. You can't get into a regional discussion without some generalizations of other countries being tossed out.


Frankly, if cliche is outlawed, you had best close up shop.

I agree. While I too accept the ruling, one does have to wonder.