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so i'm sick of every third person posting in a UN resolution debate something along the lines of "i vote against this proposal because it impinges on my nation's sovereignty." my plan was to propose a UN resolution banning/discouraging this sort of argument, in hopes that one wouldn't have to sift through them to find the valid points in a debate. but like the good little NationState i am, i first read the UN rules and discovered that this proposal was probably considered a "minor gameplay modification" (i.e illegal), so i'm not going ahead with it.

but..

could we (i.e you the mods, or somebody) please do something about people arguing against proposals this way? if nothing more than posting in a very conspicious place that everyone will see (i.e not in the UN rules that few ever bother to read), perhaps somewhere like a sticky near the top of the UN forum, or on the UN page itself, a message reminding UN members that a UN resolution by definition places limits on the sovereignty of every nation in order to maintain that of others, and that it's mighty annoying to have to sift through arguments based on this, so please don't do it?

a good idea, but I don't think anything can be done. I think you will always have nations making that futile and very annoying comment. You just have to ignore and sift through these pointless arguments. That probably does not help. :(

I faced the same whining when getting my resolution passed.

The simple fact is, every resolution irrespective of content, impinges on the sovereignty of all UN member nations at the time of its passing. This is because the resolutions modify the states of various internal variables within UN member nations, depending on the category and strength of said resolutions.

Once again, it is not the words which impinge on sovereignty, but the resolutions themselves, the invisible clockwork behind them.

If they do not like this, they can leave the UN. Then the state of their nations' internal variables will not be affected by any resolutions passed. Their opinions on the matter are beside the point, as these are the game mechanics.

Having said that, maybe they just like to roleplay their opposition to each and every UN resolution, in rejection of the game mechanics. They are free to do that, roleplay is an inescapable part of the game although in my interpretation of the game, they are missing the point.

To build upon what Tactical Grace wrote (much of which I agree with), a perfectly respectiful way to respond to "this violates my national sovereignty" isn't to challenge that claim, but turn it back on the "ambassador" by asking ...

"OK, assuming it is, given the large number of UN Delegates that have endorsed this general idea, how would you have worded this such that it would be acceptable."

They can then either be helpful or do what TG said and just complain some more. I do agree, there are so many more interesting things to do than just toss out a generic complaint over and over ... and yet, I've seen some players who pratically LIVE in the UN forum toss out this argument to any resolution which opposes their opinion *while* defending other resolutions that were just as "federalist" in their nature because they happened to agree with the opinion. I chalk it all up to a lack of the ability to _really_ find the right words to describe what they are feeling, but I wouldn't take any offense in the opposition (though that is easier said then done).

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so i'm sick of every third person posting in a UN resolution debate something along the lines of "i vote against this proposal because it impinges on my nation's sovereignty." my plan was to propose a UN resolution banning/discouraging this sort of argument, in hopes that one wouldn't have to sift through them to find the valid points in a debate. but like the good little NationState i am, i first read the UN rules and discovered that this proposal was probably considered a "minor gameplay modification" (i.e illegal), so i'm not going ahead with it.

but..

could we (i.e you the mods, or somebody) please do something about people arguing against proposals this way? if nothing more than posting in a very conspicious place that everyone will see (i.e not in the UN rules that few ever bother to read), perhaps somewhere like a sticky near the top of the UN forum, or on the UN page itself, a message reminding UN members that a UN resolution by definition places limits on the sovereignty of every nation in order to maintain that of others, and that it's mighty annoying to have to sift through arguments based on this, so please don't do it?

Aww...you don't like a particular political philosophy, do you? Think the Mods should cater to your opinion, do you?

By the way, there already is a stickied post on the issue of national sovereignty. You might want to read it (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8681146&postcount=4).

forgetting about the purpose of the UN is not a philosophy.

forgetting about the purpose of the UN is not a philosophy.

The purpose of the UN is to do what the members want. Simple as that.