NationStates Jolt Archive

Good day.

I'm the one who started the SDDC. I'm here to question the reasoning behind the rulings in the following posts.

#1 - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8577318#post8577318

This shows that Drunken commies reborn posted an 'in before lock' comment.

However, many of us, included myself have done that. I've done it a few times actually, and why haven't I received a warning for this? I've received nothing of that sort. Not even a slap on the wrist.

Even if there is history, why have some of us not got an unofficial warning for this sort of thing?

Also posting unnecessary cussing when describing the offenses doesn't help the case, does it, Karmabaijan. Calling someone's action "crap" could eitehr be trolling, flaming or flamebaiting. Wait, isn't that what Drunken commites reborn deleted for? And yet, you're allowed to do that?

Minor warning for 'in before the lock' crap

What puppets? What forumban? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8999074&postcount=9)

#2 - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8888725&postcount=168

This one is questionable, but you have to read between the lines to realise that while this offensive, it is very sarcastic. The person who is beign quoted should have received a warning for flamebaiting.

Gaston Glock does make direct insults in the quote piece. Was this ever taken into consideration?

#3 - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8888507&postcount=98

Wow, this is funny.

How is this is this a flamebait when it is clear that Gaston Glock has made it obvious that they are the ones who have started it? Isn't it clear that Drunken comminies reborn is standing up for themselves?

They weren't even as inflammatory as Gaston Glock.

Pardon me? Are you retarded?

This is a very clear flamebait.

As for me being retarded, I could lose 100 IQ points and still put together a more logical and well reasoned argument than you.

This is the part in question. Yet, examine it carefully. They did insult Gaston Glock, but they didn't leave a flamebait. I would say that this is just well-placed wit in retort to a flamebait loaded snide remark.

In the same post, Gaston Glock also goes on to insult liberals and makes very broad sweeping statements. Did he receive anything sort of warning or disciplinary action?

#4 - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8888637&postcount=138

In this post, Drunken commies reborn is charged with borderline trolling.

It's now time for a close up analysis of each of the lines. Was this really borderline trolling or a defensive tactic?

Gaston Glock is again involved in this (are you seeing a pattern yet?)

You are a communist. End of discussion

He is not only making assumptions but he is now telling Drunken commies reborn what they are and aren't. In this case, GG is judging DCR by their name and declaring that they are communists. Isn't this a little out of line? And yes, it does warrant an indignant reply.

Many people hate being labelled by others, and DCR is no exception.

In a new paragraph, GG starts out making a relatively decent argument but beraks it down by employing infantile tactics.

You being a pro-death, pro-homosexuality- anti-religion, anti-capitalism liberal slave are the worst of humanity.

If this isn't a flame, I hate to see what is.

This is not only a form of trolling, it could also be a flame and a form of flamebaiting.

Now, we go onto DCR's reply. It is relatively civil. Yes there is a question part, but it is censored. But, why is GG allowed to make an inflammatory remark and DCR isn't?

I'm a communist? How? I run a small business to supplement my paycheck. Communists dont' beleive in free enterprise.

Yeah, I see what's wrong here. Bad spelling and grammar is a deletable offence.

You obviously don't know what you are talking about, on any subject.

If this is taken out of context and examined by itself, it could be a form of trolling, but kept in the context of the post, it becomes apparent that DCR is referring to Gaston Glock's misinformed statements about DCR.

I'm pro death? No, I respect human life.

Nothing I can say about this.

I'm pro homosexuality? No, I'm pro Freedom. If you're not then kindly move to Iran or North Korea and stop trampling my nation's reputation.

This isn't a flame, it's a suggestion that if someone doesn't appreciate their freedom that they should move where this is none, or very little in contrast.

I'm anti religion? Yes! You finally got one right! Sheer dumb luck, I'm sure.

No, DCR doesn't insult GG here. They are just making the word "luck" colourful and emphasising that it is a coincidence that GG is actually right about one thing about DCR.

I'm anti capitalism? Nope. I beleive in capitalism as long as it's regulated.

Nothing to say about this.

Liberal slave? half right. I'm liberal, but I'm nobody's slave. Unlike you. Tell me slave boy, what does rush limbaugh's *edit* taste like?

This one has many connotations.

In fact, I could insert "homemade apple pie" and it would still make sense.

That nice little *edit* leaves room for the imagination to work. And, really? How is that last part flamey or trolling if there is a big void left for the imagination to fill in?

The slave remark is a retort in answer to Gaston Glock's remark about DCR being a liberal slave.

#5 - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423189

Oh wait, there is nothing here, so, why is this being cited in the list of possible offenses if there is no evidence here in the first place? In order for this to be used, shouldn't there be content there in the first place?

Just citing an invalid link, weakens the argument against why Drunken commies reborn should stay deleted.

The defence rests.

The mods are going to crucify me for starting this.

First of all, I didn't use the word crap. That is a copy of his history tag, handled by another mod. As I didn't work the case, you will have to wait for the mod that did to come by.

Also, posting "In before the lock" is considered spam and a warnable offense. Not being omnipotent (gasp!) it is impossible to catch all of it. When we see it, we act on it.

First of all, I didn't use the word crap. That is a copy of his history tag, handled by another mod. As I didn't work the case, you will have to wait for the mod that did to come by.

Also, posting "In before the lock" is considered spam and a warnable offense. Not being omnipotent (gasp!) it is impossible to catch all of it. When we see it, we act on it.
Oh, if you didn't, why didn't you put the word in quotes as well instead ogf leaving it out of the quotes? Yes, I'm a stickler for punctutation, but outside the single quotes, it indicates that he word is in your voice not DCR's.

And where does it say that we can't?

If there is nothing posted in the general forum, then how it is an offence? Are we supposed to be psychic and know it by default?

But, why is GG allowed to make an inflammatory remark and DCR isn't?
Gaston Glock wasn't warned because he and his puppetmaster were already deleted at that point.
Gaston Glock does make direct insults in the quote piece. Was this ever taken into consideration?
As has been made clear on multiple occasions, responding to flames with flames is unacceptable. Both nations will be punished according to the severity of their offense. In this particular incident, GG had been actively seeking flamewars all over General, and was removed from the NationStates community. People who responded to his flaming and flamebaiting were given appropriate warnings as well. That's how it works here, and we're not likely to change that.

This was but one incident that Drunk Commies reborn was warned for. There were others, plus the player's prior history of borderline and over the line behavior in prior incarnations. All were discussed and reviewed at length by several mods before the decision was made to delete DCR. I don't have access to the Grand Hammer of Mod, but I did participate in the discussion that lead up to the deletion. In my opinion as a forum mod, I hold that the deletion was fully justified.

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Oh, if you didn't, why didn't you put the word in quotes as well instead ogf leaving it out of the quotes? Yes, I'm a stickler for punctutation, but outside the single quotes, it indicates that he word is in your voice not DCR's.

And where does it say that we can't?

If there is nothing posted in the general forum, then how it is an offence? Are we supposed to be psychic and know it by default?



Again, and for the last time, the things you are referring to are from DCR's deleted tag that is attached to that nation. None of it is my writing.

Oh, if you didn't, why didn't you put the word in quotes as well instead ogf leaving it out of the quotes? Yes, I'm a stickler for punctutation, but outside the single quotes, it indicates that he word is in your voice not DCR's.Karma did a straight copy-and-paste and probably did not pay any heed to the quotation marks that were present. The word "crap" is actually present on the warning in the national file.

And where does it say that we can't?Post #3 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8784641&postcount=3) in the thread The One-Stop Rules Shop (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416023). Look at the section in that post titled Gloating:

If there is nothing posted in the general forum, then how it is an offence? Are we supposed to be psychic and know it by default?Again, I refer you to The One-Stop Rules Shop (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416023).

However, many of us, included myself have done that. I've done it a few times actually, and why haven't I received a warning for this? I've received nothing of that sort. Not even a slap on the wrist.Because you didn't get caught, yet. Just remember not to do it again and you should be fine on that count.

This is the part in question. Yet, examine it carefully. They did insult Gaston Glock, but they didn't leave a flamebait. I would say that this is just well-placed wit in retort to a flamebait loaded snide remark.In my opinion, it's flamebait. For the record, I am the one who issued this judgment.

In the same post, Gaston Glock also goes on to insult liberals and makes very broad sweeping statements. Did he receive anything sort of warning or disciplinary action?Yes, yes he did. Deletion.

#4 - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8888637&postcount=138

In this post, Drunken commies reborn is charged with borderline trolling.

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Liberal slave? half right. I'm liberal, but I'm nobody's slave. Unlike you. Tell me slave boy, what does rush limbaugh's *edit* taste like?This one has many connotations.

In fact, I could insert "homemade apple pie" and it would still make sense.

That nice little *edit* leaves room for the imagination to work. And, really? How is that last part flamey or trolling if there is a big void left for the imagination to fill in?

The slave remark is a retort in answer to Gaston Glock's remark about DCR being a liberal slave.Actually, he's charged with flamebaiting. For the record, I am the one who issued this judgment. Most of the post was okay, the problem was with the last line.

...and you're right, that nice little *edit* left me with a lot of room for my imagination to work. So, I imagined something rather nasty and then charged Drunk Commies Reborn with meaning that precise thing. Remember: If a Moderator has to guess if your intent was malicious, then expect that Moderator to assume that your intent was malicious.

#5 - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423189

Oh wait, there is nothing here, so, why is this being cited in the list of possible offenses if there is no evidence here in the first place? In order for this to be used, shouldn't there be content there in the first place?

Just citing an invalid link, weakens the argument against why Drunken commies reborn should stay deleted.The topic is soft-deleted, so only NationStates Moderators have access to that topic. That link is present in an official notation to which only NationStates Moderators have read access. So, when I placed the link there, it wasn't intended for public presentation; it was intended as a reference for other Moderators.

The linked topic had only one post, which read:Topic Title: It's good to see people get what they deserve.

This link goes to a video of some Palestinian terrorists shooting a mortar at an Israeli neighborhood. Luckily an Israeli aircraft is on site to shoot back.

[link removed from quote]

Click on the image to start the video.The linked video (which I will not provide a link to here) is a military airplane camera showing people getting shot. Admittedly, the video isn't clear and if this were "Drunk Commie Reborn"s only offense, I wouldn't think anything of it. However, other Mods that I was discussing this with at the time took a dim view of gloating over the real life deaths of people. On top of that, in combination with his past offenses, this is the straw that broke the camels back.

Further explanation of the deletion is here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9001963&postcount=37).


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