NationStates Jolt Archive

Whispering Leg has created an entire thread devoted to proving that Keruvalia is wrong about Keruvalia's religion.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=422383

He has made it clear it is personal, complete with specific attacks.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8971630&postcount=15
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8971694&postcount=25
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8971978&postcount=64

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8971672&postcount=22
(emphasis added)

I fear nothing except Allah and would have no problem making such a declaration. Many have made it before me. The Prophet himself warned that hadith not be written for fear men would place it alongside Qur'an in the future. Looks like he was right.

I am not inventing what I perceive Islam to be ... I am stating what Islam is. No amount of Ladens, Zarqawis, Husseins, or general nut jobs will ever change what Islam truly is any more than the Falwells and Phelps will change what Christianity is.

Men corrupt things. It says so in Torah, the Gospel, and Qur'an. God is very smart and knows this. It is the message that is important, not the messenger. A very wise man once said that by their fruits shall ye know them. I can separate the wheat from the chaffe ... why can't you?

The problem is, you can't speak for the rest of them. You can't.

There's too much evidence, even if I just cite the material from the Oxford University books, to say otherwise.

Sunnis, in particular, are historically "on the hook" all the way to the present day.

Still selling pagan t-shirts, I see. I guess that makes you a good Muslim.

And some minor flames at those who seek to intervene.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8972047&postcount=75

Keruvalia has replied in a civil manner and would not complain.

But isn't this behavior a violation of the rules?

Regardless, I find it offensive and thought it should be reported.

Keruvalia has publicly pleaded with me not to intercede when puppets of Johnny Wadd were flaming him. It was apparently banter between two friends. While I'm not going to use that as my reason for not interceding in this case, please re-read your links with that concept in mind. Also bear in mind the possibility that this is a debating tactic: the "crazy non-Muslim" versus the "clear and thoughtful non-terrorist Muslim". I've seen him use that before quite effectively.

As for Keruvalia not complaining, not true. He doesn't seem to have a problem bring legitimate problems to Moderation.


This strikes me as a relatively normal NationStates debate. I don't see anything actionable at this point.

Keruvalia has publicly pleaded with me not to intercede when puppets of Johnny Wadd were flaming him. It was apparently banter between two friends. While I'm not going to use that as my reason for not interceding in this case, please re-read your links with that concept in mind. Also bear in mind the possibility that this is a debating tactic: the "crazy non-Muslim" versus the "clear and thoughtful non-terrorist Muslim". I've seen him use that before quite effectively.

As for Keruvalia not complaining, not true. He doesn't seem to have a problem bring legitimate problems to Moderation.

This strikes me as a relatively normal NationStates debate. I don't see anything actionable at this point.

Okey-dokey. Thanks. :)