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1: My signature was deleted, I think it was because it was somewhat offensive but I would like to know the exact reason. This was my sig:
Mods zijn heaumeaux en Max is hun profeet.

Ik ben oke, jij bent oke. Neuqen?

2: Is my current one okay?

I think it's too long. A signature may consist of a maximum of five lines I believe.

I think it's too long. A signature may consist of a maximum of five lines I believe.

Actually, no. Quotes take up 5 lines, and sigs can be up to 8 lines.

It doesn't look like it's too long. What does that translate to?

Actually, no. Quotes take up 5 lines
HC Eredivisie's quote takes up 8 lines all by itself. Quotes take up a minimum of 5 lines ("Quote", top line, "Originally posted by", the quote itself, bottom line), but if the quote is longer than a single line, those count too.

Speaking of sigs, Euro, yours has a link to the old "forbidden actions" thread. You should change that to match the link in mine.

~ Frisbeeteria ~
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Forum and Game Rules (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416023)

HC Eredivisie's quote takes up 8 lines all by itself. Quotes take up a minimum of 5 lines ("Quote", top line, "Originally posted by", the quote itself, bottom line), but if the quote is longer than a single line, those count too.

Speaking of sigs, Euro, yours has a link to the old "forbidden actions" thread. You should change that to match the link in mine.


I should have said, a 'minimum of 5 lines.' I have problems at saying what I'm thinking correctly. :p Anyways, I'll change that link. Thanks for the reminder.

. What does that translate to?

Well, I am the person quoted by HC so I'll try to translate it:

First line says "Mods are Heaumeaux* and Max is their Prophet".

*Note: Heaumeaux is also in Dutch, or in any other language for all I know, a non-existing word. I used it like Homo as in Homo Sapiens meaning that Moderators are also people like you and someone else.

Second line: Ik ben oke, jij bent oke. Neuqen?
Translation: I'm all right, you are all right. Neuqen*?

*Note: "Neuqen" is also a non-existing word in Dutch, or any other language that I know of, but I used in the way of "let us make physical contact" because "neuqen" is somehow related to the Dutch word for copulating but I did not wish to be rude so I used some form of literary freedom in my choice of words..

Hooked on phonics works for the Dutch, it seems.

Of course 'Heaumeaux' translates to nothing. It's a phonetic spelling.

So, then, am I missing something as to why the signature was inappropriate? :confused:

But what was wrong about it? First I had a longer one, but I changed that one because Fris said it was too long.

"Homo" tends to imply something rather different than "homosapien".

And "neuqen" is not exactly the same as "making love" :p I know you'll probably hate me for saying this, but this was not an apropriate signature, on a forum where schools regularily visit.

Well, okay. Then my second question remains, is my current one legal (= Is is okay to use a TM from the mods as a signature?)

Well, okay. Then my second question remains, is my current one legal

Yeah, it's fine.

Carinthe']And "neuqen" is not exactly the same as "making love" :p I know you'll probably hate me for saying this, but this was not an apropriate signature, on a forum where schools regularily visit.

That's a bit ridiculous.. How many of them understand dutch? And any native dutch speakers around here have to have a basic understanding of English, which means they have reached a certain age, no? Ah well..

There is a higher standard given to sigs as they are displayed with every message you send.

We are sorry if you are disappointed that the rules on appropriateness apply to all languages instead of merely English. :rolleyes:

I do understand, just though it was a bit silly... No problems here

There is a higher standard given to sigs as they are displayed with every message you send.

We are sorry if you are disappointed that the rules on appropriateness apply to all languages instead of merely English. :rolleyes:

So rules on appropriateness apply on words that do not exist? Sure. Little odd but okay. "Shdiedjrek". That's foul language too? It is the one whom associates dirty and fills in the blanks in an inappropriate way who's got a "dirty" way of thinking other than the one writing it.

And "neuqen" is not exactly the same as "making love" I know you'll probably hate me for saying this, but this was not an appropriate signature, on a forum where schools regularily visit.
@Carinthe:

lief·des·daad (de ~)
1 geslachtsdaad => geslachtsgemeenschap

neu·ken (ov.ww., ook abs.)
1 [inf.] vrijen, geslachtsgemeenschap hebben met (iem.)

(Bron: van Dale 2005)

Not the same? Sure. Course they are the same. And schoolchildren regularly visit the library so should we go with a black marker to censor all the “dirty” and off course non-existing words. Yes off course. Sure, sounds reasonable. Not your best post ever Carinthe. ;)

"Homo" tends to imply something rather different than "homosapien".
@The Most Glorious Hack:

You mean like Homo Erectus? Or Homo Ludens? Look at my first answer, the beauty of the written word is that you can make of it what is according to your way of thinking meant by Heaumeaux. I explained my view on the word, could you elaborate some on what it means according to you?

@The Most Glorious Hack:

You mean like Homo Erectus? Or Homo Ludens? Look at my first answer, the beauty of the written word is that you can make of it what is according to your way of thinking meant by Heaumeaux. I explained my view on the word, could you elaborate some on what it means according to you?

I think it's quite simple that 'homo' could stand for homosexual.

Not your best post ever Carinthe. ;)

It is not my call here, and wouldn't report it. When someone tells you (That probably won't happen much, unless he's of the "homo" variety) that he wants to phuck you, you don't find that offensive? That is the same as; "Ik will met je neuqen". It sounds the same, we all know what it means, and I didn't make the rules. The fact that you managed to fool the translators, doesn't change a thing :P

Ps. When you use that word on my forum, I would have asked you to change it. Maybe men like to use that word for fun, I personally rather phrase it otherwise.

I think it's quite simple that 'homo' could stand for homosexual.

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Thought you where a Moderator Euroslavia so I answered but since you are not it is not prudent to respond because my question was specificly aimed at a moderator.
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When someone tells you (That probably won't happen much, unless he's of the "homo" variety) that he wants to phuck you, you don't find that offensive?
@Carinthe:

You are very sexist in my opinion. Don't you think a modern and liberated women can ask the same question? And therefor even a heterosexual male can recieve the question. At least in a modern society that is.

I also notice that you are not a product or not familiair with the episode in time called "the sixties". My quote was a literary allusion to the book written by a famous american ex-hippie. It was very common to have sex on the terms written by me. And I do not think it is offensive. It is somehow not my style but I have to admit that the appearance of the person on the other side of the question clouds my judgement in this.

And what you think is "normal", others think otherwise. I am happy about that because the library's wouldn't be the same. ;)

Ps. When you use that word on my forum, I would have asked you to change it. Maybe men like to use that word for fun, I personally rather phrase it otherwise.
Again that's sexist. Only men say F words? Sure, and only woman want romance an men sex? Isn't that right? sure. Sorry to say but you got a kind of narrow view at the sexes Carinthe. And why use another word for the same event? That's very 1999.

After all this I can't see the point why HC had to change his signature. Just my opinion.

You know what it is with them Dutch people on here? They want to feel oppressed. They want to be the minority that is being discriminated. They're all a bunch of whiney little tw*ts (I'm so sorry if that offended anyone) who think they're cool because they're 'rebelling' against 'the system' using non-existent words that are actually just 'bad' words spelt very badly. Grow up.
And saying 'heaumeaux' is meant like 'homo-sapiens' is the same as calling someone gay and saying you meant 'frolic, vibrant person'.
Oh, I know they do have a point with the whole censoring thing, but I'm in a really bad mood right now and I think they should stop feeling so much more better than everyone else. And I bet they're all going to vote 'no' on the European constitution.

Note: I'm Dutch myself, I am a n00b, but I still have an opinion on this matter. So you fellow Dutchers, go flame me for not supporting your pathetic actions, and please be so kind to do it in difficult, poetic language. To show me again that you are, indeed, way superior.

You know what it is with them Dutch people on here? They want to feel oppressed. They want to be the minority that is being discriminated. They're all a bunch of whiney little tw*ts (I'm so sorry if that offended anyone) who think they're cool because they're 'rebelling' against 'the system' using non-existent words that are actually just 'bad' words spelt very badly. Grow up.
And saying 'heaumeaux' is meant like 'homo-sapiens' is the same as calling someone gay and saying you meant 'frolic, vibrant person'.
Oh, I know they do have a point with the whole censoring thing, but I'm in a really bad mood right now and I think they should stop feeling so much more better than everyone else. And I bet they're all going to vote 'no' on the European constitution.

Note: I'm Dutch myself, I am a n00b, but I still have an opinion on this matter. So you fellow Dutchers, go flame me for not supporting your pathetic actions, and please be so kind to do it in difficult, poetic language. To show me again that you are, indeed, way superior.

How rude. :)

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Please my dear Modsquad, do not take actions against him. He's just a little frustrated right now about something else. He'll come round.

SNIP
is the same as calling someone gay and saying you meant 'frolic, vibrant person'.
/SNIP

Uhm... in all fairness, many dictionaries (my 2003 Merriam-Websters Collegiate(R) included) does list that as the definition of gay... at the very least, the first of several...

then again, my Merriam-Websters Collegiate(R) Thesaurus also lists very similar things as adjectives to the word. And so does MS word while I am thinking of it...

The long and short of it is, English (and many other languages) tend to have several words meaning one thing, or one word meaning several things. (I belive Japanese has 500 words for dance...) Only the poster will ever know what was intended from the words there... and because of the ambiguity I belive is where the sticking point is. Should he make it 100% clear what he ment... I dunno...

Oh... and the whole spelling things phonetically to avoid detection by non-native speakers... well, I dont know what to say to that... in all fairness, I do in un-intentionally many times just cuz I dont know how to speel!

Oh... and the whole spelling things phonetically to avoid detection by non-native speakers... well, I dont know what to say to that... in all fairness, I do in un-intentionally many times just cuz I dont know how to speel!

He spells things also in a different way on the dutch forum where only dutch people are. I don't think the weird spelling has anything to do with avoiding detection. Why bother about it when people can still understand it because they speak the language?

Also, many words translate a wrong way or sometimes not at all in an online translator, I wouldn't base any moderator rulings on such a thing :) And I assume this one is also not based on what an online translator says.

Blaat

Uhm... in all fairness, many dictionaries (my 2003 Merriam-Websters Collegiate(R) included) does list that as the definition of gay... at the very least, the first of several...

then again, my Merriam-Websters Collegiate(R) Thesaurus also lists very similar things as adjectives to the word. And so does MS word while I am thinking of it...


That was my point. :rolleyes:

Uhm... in all fairness, many dictionaries (my 2003 Merriam-Websters Collegiate(R) included) does list that as the definition of gay... at the very least, the first of several...

then again, my Merriam-Websters Collegiate(R) Thesaurus also lists very similar things as adjectives to the word. And so does MS word while I am thinking of it...

The long and short of it is, English (and many other languages) tend to have several words meaning one thing, or one word meaning several things. (I belive Japanese has 500 words for dance...) Only the poster will ever know what was intended from the words there... and because of the ambiguity I belive is where the sticking point is. Should he make it 100% clear what he ment... I dunno...

Oh... and the whole spelling things phonetically to avoid detection by non-native speakers... well, I dont know what to say to that... in all fairness, I do in un-intentionally many times just cuz I dont know how to speel!

The "avoid-detection" theory by Rabbits is a, let me put it mildly, a complete load of hoaky with no evidence to back it up. Thank you for your input by the way Blaat. Just some ignoramus giving his/her frustration complete freedom.

My intention for the matter at hand is related with using language as a tool to influence the reader on the level of form so that impact of the content differs.

See for some theoretical angle on this issue: top-down-vision by Goodman, 1967, interactive model and contextsuperiority by Noordman in Thomassen 1991 and Wordsuperiorityeffect http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12459214&dopt=Abstract

Highly impossible to believe that here are adults discussing about the word "neuqen" and some homophobia. I always thought that "adults" were above that. This belongs in the same line why "penis" and "ass" nations don't belong in this game. If you have any sexual frustrations, bring it to your psychiatrist and not an online game, where all ages can play together in harmony.

Someone who wants to see the homo as a bad word, probably has a problem. Homo can stand for several things, like 'the same' just as gay can stand for a 'happy' person. Now if mod's find the word homo offensive, they probably have a identitycrisis themselves and should talk to a doctor. I'm sure HC didn't mean to be rude with that sig.

So, now with my sig i'm offensive to myself, aren't I? please protect me from myself.

Carinthe']Highly impossible to believe that here are adults discussing about the word "neuqen" and some homophobia. I always thought that "adults" were above that. This belongs in the same line why "penis" and "ass" nations don't belong in this game. If you have any sexual frustrations, bring it to your psychiatrist and not an online game, where all ages can play together in harmony.

You started with our little debate with facts Carinthe but I countered each and every one of your arguments. Now the arguments are over and now you step in to the field of emotion and insinuations about the mental state of another player. Take your loss when it comes and don't be a bad loser Carinthe, it does not suit you well. :(

Oh and by the way, when you give "good" advice make sure your facts are, again, right. If you have sexual frustrations you have to see psychologist/pyschotherapist. A psychiatrist can only do something if the sexual disorder is somatically induced. But if I go to a psychologist I would end up pretty quick with a psychiatrist because I talk to much to myself at that time. ;)

And HC (or me) did not start the debate, the other party started it with the ruling on HC's sig.

@Desiree: *Just bows for you and your beautifull batterij!* :)

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@Moderators:

I think the time is near where this thread will be booted to General or something so before you do;

Could you please reconsider, after reading all of the above, to make a new ruling on the subject? So that HC can reinstate his sig? I think I made clear that there was nothing bad intended with the heaumeaux but if you approve "neuquen" or not is totaly up to you I guess. Or a partial ruling about the two subject if it is possible. Or otherwise give a short answer on why not in your vision so we can stop talking about this issue most forthwith.

Thank you for your time.

Someone who wants to see the homo as a bad word, probably has a problem. Homo can stand for several things, like 'the same' just as gay can stand for a 'happy' person. Now if mod's find the word homo offensive, they probably have a identitycrisis themselves and should talk to a doctor.
Flamebaiting the mods in moderation is not a good idea.

Creating homonyms like 'heaumeaux' for the express purpose of evading the rules will not be added as a new ruling. The rule of thumb on such things is, and always has been, "what will the reader think?", not "what did the author intend?" Attempted rules-lawyering is not appreciated.

We're not nitwits, Nitwitium. Don't treat us as such.