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Why was my thread in II deleted?

Ryanania
21-05-2005, 10:35
Why was my thread in II deleted? There was nothing wrong with it.
GMC Military Arms
21-05-2005, 10:43
Because it was a spammy 'I'm not complying with a UN resolution and you can't make me, nyah!' thread. If you don't want to comply with a UN resolution, feel free to resign from the UN. Otherwise, you got the stat change from the resolution passing, so the effect occurred.

If you want to start an RP about defying the resolution that involves more than two sentences which you didn't even attribute to anyone in your government, fine and good.
HotRodia
21-05-2005, 10:55
I would actually encourage you to do some RPing of the way your nation complies with UN decisions, Ryanania. There is material for some very good RP when it comes to the tangible effects of international legislation on the lives of individuals within your nation.
Ryanania
21-05-2005, 11:00
For the record, my thread was not immature like GMC made it sound. I wrote "As we believe that we should be able to teach or not teach whatever we wish in our school system, we will not comply with the 'Right to teach evolution' resolution passed by the UN."

So I'll re-write it. This time I'll attribute the statement to the High Elder.
Ryanania
21-05-2005, 11:05
Okay, I changed it. I'm trying to roleplay, but I don't have very much experience with it, so please cut me a little slack if the length of my posts aren't up to your standards.
Vastiva
21-05-2005, 11:15
Just so you know, there's nothing you can do not to comply with a UN resolution. We're all automatically in compliance.

Then again, RPing not being in compliance has been tried before - eventually, you're in compliance, like it or not, however, if you're in the UN.
HotRodia
21-05-2005, 11:17
Okay, I changed it. I'm trying to roleplay, but I don't have very much experience with it, so please cut me a little slack if the length of my posts aren't up to your standards.

1. Personally, I think the High Elder's statement is fine being short and to the point. I think your RP would be more interesting, however, if you either a) RPed the negative effects of the resolution on your nation or b) RPed the legal maneuverings of your government in their effort to minimize the effects of the resolution. :)

2. I think the main problem here is that you seem to have forgotten an important detail. Namely, that there is no such thing as complete non-compliance according to the conventions of the NationStates roleplaying community. What you are doing is considered godmoding by many.
Ryanania
21-05-2005, 11:22
I realize that mechanically the resolution effects my nation's stats, but I don't see why I can't not comply in RP. I mean, it's not like I'm conjuring up a billion man army. Not complying with international law is something that happens in real life.
HotRodia
21-05-2005, 11:25
I realize that mechanically the resolution effects my nation's stats, but I don't see why I can't not comply in RP. I mean, it's not like I'm conjuring up a billion man army. Not complying with international law is something that happens in real life.

I completely understand where you're coming from, and that the conventions of the roleplaying community here may seem unreasonable to you. My own sense of roleplay etiquette does not allow me to do what you did, but not everybody has my sense of roleplay etiquette, so...meh. :)
Ryanania
21-05-2005, 11:35
I completely understand where you're coming from, and that the conventions of the roleplaying community here may seem unreasonable to you. My own sense of roleplay etiquette does not allow me to do what you did, but not everybody has my sense of roleplay etiquette, so...meh. :)Can you please explain to me why they think that it's godmoding to not comply with an international law, because I really don't understand.
Abatoir
21-05-2005, 11:41
Can you please explain to me why they think that it's godmoding to not comply with an international law, because I really don't understand.

The UN is your chance to mold the rest of the world to your vision, by voting for resolutions you like and scuttling the rest. However, it's a double-edged sword, because your nation will also be affected by any resolutions that pass. (You can't just obey the resolutions you like and ignore the rest, like real nations do.)Emphasis added.
Ryanania
21-05-2005, 11:44
Emphasis added.But that's pretty clearly reffering to the game mechanics, rather than rolplay.
Vastiva
21-05-2005, 11:48
Wrong. Try again - particularly as it refers to ALL RESOLUTIONS, not "just those resolutions which pass while you're there".
HotRodia
21-05-2005, 11:49
Can you please explain to me why they think that it's godmoding to not comply with an international law, because I really don't understand.

I think it has to do with the perceived connection between national statistics and roleplay. For most people (including me), national statistics are the base for roleplay. My nation page says HotRodia is an anarchy, so I RP it as an anarchy. My nation page says I have a Frightening economy, so I RP it that way. So it follows that when your national statistics are affected by the passage of a UN resolution, your roleplay would also reflect that, just the same as it would other in-game statistical facts about your nation such as military spending, healthcare spending, etc.

Of course, you can always RP your nation as totally opposite of what the site says it is. It's just that the community frowns upon that sort of thing. For myself, I could care less how you RP. That's your business, IMO, no matter how crappy I might think it is. Of course, I'm not the one making the rules around here, so that may not mean much in the long run. :)
Ryanania
21-05-2005, 11:55
I think it has to do with the perceived connection between national statistics and roleplay. For most people (including me), national statistics are the base for roleplay. My nation page says HotRodia is an anarchy, so I RP it as an anarchy. My nation page says I have a Frightening economy, so I RP it that way. So it follows that when your national statistics are affected by the passage of a UN resolution, your roleplay would also reflect that, just the same as it would other in-game statistical facts about your nation such as military spending, healthcare spending, etc.

Of course, you can always RP your nation as totally opposite of what the site says it is. It's just that the community frowns upon that sort of thing. For myself, I could care less how you RP. That's your business, IMO, no matter how crappy I might think it is. Of course, I'm not the one making the rules around here, so that may not mean much in the long run. :)For the most part, I RP that way too, but with something as minor as an educational policy, I can't imagine that qualifying as godmoding.
Vastiva
21-05-2005, 11:56
OOC: Actually, as we have a reason for deletion from GMC Military Arms:


Yay, noncompliancewank


That just doesn't sound to me as though it's "just a game mechanics" thing going on... maybe Ryanania might want to rethink things?
HotRodia
21-05-2005, 12:03
For the most part, I RP that way too, but with something as minor as an educational policy, I can't imagine that qualifying as godmoding.

Heh. Godmoding is godmoding whether it's in relation to what your human characters eat for breakfast (ie. live elephants) or in relation to a deity that you claim destroyed all the armies of your enemy.

To use an analogy, what you're suggesting is that stealing isn't really stealing when you only took a little stick of chewing gum. That's nonsense. Even though the severity of the offense is less, it is still that offense.
Ryanania
21-05-2005, 12:03
Nah, I'm sticking to my guns on this one. I understand your conservative point of view, though.
Vastiva
21-05-2005, 12:06
Ok - so you're officially ignoring the statements of a Moderator on the topic - specifically GMC Military Arms.

Gotcha.
HotRodia
21-05-2005, 12:08
Nah, I'm sticking to my guns on this one. I understand your conservative point of view, though.

I bow before your superior determination. ;)

See ya 'round, Ryanania. :)
Ryanania
21-05-2005, 12:09
Ok - so you're officially ignoring the statements of a Moderator on the topic - specifically GMC Military Arms.

Gotcha.No I'm not ignoring him, from his post in this thread, I understand that he believed that my post was not properly formatted. He said that it was "spammy" so I rewrote it to be more elaborate.
GMC Military Arms
21-05-2005, 12:16
I'm hesitant to go as far as to say you can't RP non-compliance, since it rules out a lot of interesting possible RPs on the subject, but simply stating in two sentences 'we're not doing this' is wank. Having checked over the stickies on the subject because I remembered a similar statement there:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8681146&postcount=4

Even so, you are expected to act as if your nation is in compliance with the legislation for the purposes of role-play. One can role-play defiance of the legislation, but be prepared to do a proper job of it or be accused of wanking or godmoding (follow the links for explanations on wanking and godmoding), and possibly derided and ignored altogether. One fairly common and widely accepted method of roleplaying defiance of resolutions is to take advantage of the often ambiguous and/or undefined nature of the resolutions and define certain key terms such that the effects of the resolution are nullified or made negligible.

and http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8681181&postcount=5

Some nations choose to roleplay complete non-compliance with NSUN legislation, which means that they choose to roleplay as if the NSUN has no affect on them. While such persons may do what they wish in their own roleplay, the practice of ignoring NSUN legislation in roleplay is generally considered extremely bad form and often called godmoding. Prepare to be derided or ignored if you roleplay complete non-compliance. The only nation I've seen get anywhere with such a roleplay is the very respected Sophista, and even they received some serious criticism for their action.
E-Xtremia
21-05-2005, 16:20
I got a dumb suggestion for Ryanania...

if you in general dont like the resolutions that pass (like me) but need to have a nation in the UN for military perposes, make an alt. Drop UN status on your nation, then put it on the other [new] nation. This way, you can still get a voice in the UN, take part in invasions, etc, BUT, you do not need to worry about the UN messing with your stats (like if you want to be an anti-humanitarian nation).

This should also work for RP sense, for it is perfectly okay to ignore any UN resolutions that pass, for your nation would not be in the UN. Any resolutions that come along that you like, just have your government adopt them even though they aren't UN...

Hope this suggestion helps,
*NOTE* Ish not a mod. If he was, there'd be no more antacids in the house. */NOTE*