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New to this invasion/native aspect of the game.
My region was invaded beginning a few days ago. I think some are puppets cause the names on a couple are similar. This was my first region which I created back in January of 2003. Been there since, with both my old nation and then with this one when it was created.
The one nation with the name of Hak something seems to have at least two nations there I suspect of being puppets but I don't know.

I just got the delegate status (one of my puppets) for the region. I ejected 4 of the new guys. But I stopped at that cause I don't know constitutes a native or even how many non natives I am allowed to eject.
And I have passworded it but I don't know which, if any of these guys I need to give the password to. The longest the invaders have been in the region I think is just about 4 days or somewhere's about.

Is there a thread that has the rules for these kinds of things? Cause I want to make sure I'm not doing anything against the rules.

invasion? explain to me? i dont know. TELL ME!

whittier, you are allowed to eject and bn as many natives as you want.

natives is a more tricky part...if i had an xml feed i could look at who could be considered native..

puppets, espcially those who have been sitting there a long time, are tricky too, because you can never be sure.
if you are an internally elected delegate, you can ban them easily, a native delegate is allowed to ban some natives. if you would be considered an invading delegate (yes, this is possible, even if you yourself are a native) then you can ban any and all non-natives (invaders) but you have to be careful with the natives

natives are those who usually consider the region home...most of the time laso those who have been there quite some time, although, as has been said before, there is no set time at which you suddenly become a native.

complicated...i know..

invasion? explain to me? i dont know. TELL ME!

scnarf, he means the invasion of a region.

a bunch of players use their UN nations (one per player, pelase), move into a region (often with no founder or dead founder) to grab the delegacy, and also gain regional control of this region. more of this is in the FAQ and a sticky in the gameplay forum, i believe.

If the region in question is San Gabriel Valley, here's the XML feed.

<REGIONINFO>
<NAME>San Gabriel Valley</NAME>
-
<FACTBOOK>
This region is under defense from invasion. No more new nations will be allowed to move in for the time being.
While the rules on invasion are consulted. If I can find them somewhere.
</FACTBOOK>
<NUMNATIONS>16</NUMNATIONS>
-
<NATIONS>
city_of_alhambra:the_sierra_madre:wu_chin:naked-teenage-girls:achuelia:johnnie_cochran:whittier-:
palmlands:ladn_0f_n00b:maddog_7:friends_of_dr_hak:rla_outpost_x:nwa_dj_yella:
fiends_of_dr_hak:south_san_gabriel:southpas
</NATIONS>
<DELEGATE>achuelia</DELEGATE>
<DELEGATEVOTES>2</DELEGATEVOTES>
<FOUNDER>0</FOUNDER>
</REGIONINFO>

whittier, you are allowed to eject and bn as many natives as you want.

natives is a more tricky part...if i had an xml feed i could look at who could be considered native..

puppets, espcially those who have been sitting there a long time, are tricky too, because you can never be sure.
if you are an internally elected delegate, you can ban them easily, a native delegate is allowed to ban some natives. if you would be considered an invading delegate (yes, this is possible, even if you yourself are a native) then you can ban any and all non-natives (invaders) but you have to be careful with the natives

natives are those who usually consider the region home...most of the time laso those who have been there quite some time, although, as has been said before, there is no set time at which you suddenly become a native.

complicated...i know..
would it be under say 2 or 3 days?

thanks :)

achuelia you are only endorsed by southpas....who is last in the region right now.

did he move in just to make you delegate?

also, who is the invader leader? and the puppets? if you want to post it here that is..

would it be under say 2 or 3 days?


i believe it entirely depends with what intentions the nation was moved in, i believe..

I went ahead and tgd them all the password cuase it might be awhile before a mod gets to this. I'll just eject all new nations that move in after I gave the password out. That way I can be certain of being in compliance password wise.

thanks :)

achuelia you are only endorsed by southpas....who is last in the region right now.

did he move in just to make you delegate?

also, who is the invader leader? and the puppets? if you want to post it here that is..

It started with City of Alhambra.

The ones I think are puppets are Ladn of Noob, Fiends of Dr Hack, RLA Outpost X, and Friends of Dr. Hack.

Sierra Madre, Wu Chin, NWA DJ YELLA, Johnnie Cochran, and Grandmaster B seem old enough that they could be career invaders.

Ones I have questions on are Maddog 7 (he sounds like a puppet), South San Gabriel, and City of Alhambra cause they are new nations but their names sound like they want to make SGV home. Except that the other guys came in right after they did.

The Hot Attitude 910 Puppet of Palmlands is not a native. He just moved in to help to get the region active. He's been in the region before, and kicked out another invasion team when I was not able to do anything myself.
Southpas is also one of the new guys. According to what he told me, he wants to permanently park his nation in the region. I think, from what the scant stuff I've been able to find, that that would make him a native. Is that correct? BTW, I don't know him but since it looked like he wanted to stay permanent I asked him to join the UN and endorse me so we could do something about the invasion.

the first of the invaders was City of Alhambra

Reason I don't think Southpas is one of the invaders:

1. He looks like a new nation.

2. I been talking to him since he arrived and got this tg from him just before I made delegate:

The Disputed Territories of SouthPas
Received: 5 hours ago No dude its only me in here. I don't know anyone else. I'm talking to you because you were the only one who answered me on the messageboard. I was getting ready to leave the region because no one was talking. I guess I will endorse your UN nation since it looks like someone is going to takeover the region. You should eject those UN nations, now you know i'm not part of them.

The Disputed Territories of SouthPas
Received: 8 hours ago Who are all these nations who never speak? Who are the 3 UN nations? Looks as we will have a UN delegate soon.

I ejected all the invaders.

Based on what I could find which wasn't very much.

Could I get mod ruling on whether City of Alhambra would be considered a native? Everyone who was ejected should have a copy of the password. I sent tged them out when I found out the rule.

I haven't been able to find out what his intentions are. As he has not responded to my telegrams.

New to this invasion/native aspect of the game.
My region was invaded beginning a few days ago. I think some are puppets cause the names on a couple are similar. This was my first region which I created back in January of 2003. Been there since, with both my old nation and then with this one when it was created.
The one nation with the name of Hak something seems to have at least two nations there I suspect of being puppets but I don't know.

I just got the delegate status (one of my puppets) for the region. I ejected 4 of the new guys. But I stopped at that cause I don't know constitutes a native or even how many non natives I am allowed to eject.
And I have passworded it but I don't know which, if any of these guys I need to give the password to. The longest the invaders have been in the region I think is just about 4 days or somewhere's about.

Is there a thread that has the rules for these kinds of things? Cause I want to make sure I'm not doing anything against the rules.

Can't founders bounce everyone indiscriminantly?

Can't founders bounce everyone indiscriminantly?
I created the region back before they even had founders. When I pulled my nation out to deat the region so I could recreate with founder status, City of Alhambra had moved in. It was less than 5 minutes between Whittier leaving the region and then having to return cause of this guy moving in. I asked him to leave so I could restart and he never answered. So I tried to get a founder for it but I was foiled by this guy. And as soon as I let him know what I was wanting to do and asking him politely to assist by temporarily leaving, all these other nations started showing up. 3 spammed the board. I didn't say anything for a couple days cause I thought they would go away. But then they tried to get grab control of the delegacy. That was when one of the new guys endorsed me, and I made delegate.
Since they were trying to grab control I ejected the two UN regions. Then I passworded and gave out the password to everyone, both the natives and the invaders cause I was not sure who to give to. And I stopped for awhile before kicking out more invaders. Cause I didn't know how many invaders I could kick out. I knew there was limit on natives. There's only 3 natives in San Gabriel Valley according to the previous posts definitions where it depended on intent. I don't think the people who flooded were intending to call the region home. The only question I have is on whether City of Alhambra could be considered native. The count of 3 natives does not include City of Alhambra nor am I counting my puppet.

I think there's been a big mistake here.

Whittier, unless the title under someone's name here says "Moderator" then they are just posting their opinion, not a ruling (and sometimes even Moderators post opinions without making rulings).

Chibi Chibi posted the following above:

whittier, you are allowed to eject and bn as many natives as you want. [emphasis mine]

I am a raider of regions and am pretty darn sure a delegate cannot eject as many NATIVES as he/she wants. When I checked the region it appeared that Whittier ejected a huge percentage of the nations relying on this typo. Mis-placed reliance or not, it's clear-cut griefing.

Maybe I am not understanding this correctly... so I need clarification.

Pirates' Roost is correct -- probably "you can eject and ban as many non-natives as possible" is what Chibi Chibi intended.

What is the timeframe we are talking about here? Hours? Days? Months? when these new nations showed up?

I am trying to understand when the invasion force, as Whittier_ says, showed up... because it sounds to me as if he tried to refound (ergo, empty region) and immediately when he left, other nations swooped in.

I'll have to confer with the other moderators, (so don't take this as any sort of a precedent or ruling) but I'm unsure of whether those nations that blocked the refounding could properly be called natives in the first place....

I'll have to confer with the other moderators, (so don't take this as any sort of a precedent or ruling) but I'm unsure of whether those nations that blocked the refounding could properly be called natives in the first place....If they moved into the region for the first time ever when everyone else was trying to refound it, then they're not natives.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

Thanks, Cog, I didn't think so.

So, since natives were not kicked, it is not a "clear-cut griefing" and ejecting those nations should not pose a problem.

Just throwing in some extra info: some old XMLs.

2005-01-29 - rudolfensia: shangia: whittier-: consergo
2005-02-19 - whittier-: consergo
2005-03-12 - whittier-: consergo
2005-04-05 - whittier-: consergo
2005-04-26 - whittier-
2005-05-13 - city_of_alhambra: the_sierra_madre: wu_chin: naked-teenage-girls: achuelia: johnnie_cochran: whittier-: palmlands: ladn_0f_n00b: maddog_7: friends_of_dr_hak: rla_outpost_x: nwa_dj_yella: vinny_mc

Ballotonia

I think there's been a big mistake here.

Whittier, unless the title under someone's name here says "Moderator" then they are just posting their opinion, not a ruling (and sometimes even Moderators post opinions without making rulings).

Chibi Chibi posted the following above:



I am a raider of regions and am pretty darn sure a delegate cannot eject as many NATIVES as he/she wants. When I checked the region it appeared that Whittier ejected a huge percentage of the nations relying on this typo. Mis-placed reliance or not, it's clear-cut griefing.
I was under the impression he meant non natives. None of the people I ejected were natives. The one I had a question on, was allowed to move back in until I could get clarification.

Maybe I am not understanding this correctly... so I need clarification.

Pirates' Roost is correct -- probably "you can eject and ban as many non-natives as possible" is what Chibi Chibi intended.

What is the timeframe we are talking about here? Hours? Days? Months? when these new nations showed up?

I am trying to understand when the invasion force, as Whittier_ says, showed up... because it sounds to me as if he tried to refound (ergo, empty region) and immediately when he left, other nations swooped in.

I'll have to confer with the other moderators, (so don't take this as any sort of a precedent or ruling) but I'm unsure of whether those nations that blocked the refounding could properly be called natives in the first place....
Yes that is what happened.

Could I get clarification on that last part? Cause I am interested in having this Alhambra fellow stay in the region now I know his intentions. But I still feel a need to refound it.

Thanks.

Yes that is what happened.

Could I get clarification on that last part? Cause I am interested in having this Alhambra fellow stay in the region now I know his intentions. But I still feel a need to refound it.

Thanks.
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thanks