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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=398117

Sorry Hack, context helps and I'm not paying more attention to homework than NS right now.

I bumped it because our fearless leaders in The North Pacific are playing musical chairs again.

See also: http://s2.invisionfree.com/The_North_Pacific/index.php?showtopic=4361
http://s4.invisionfree.com/TheNorthPacific/index.php?showtopic=1116

Regards,
Unterwasserseestaat

...so what?

Players are allowed to give away their nations. I don't understand why we have to deem it legal every time it happens. I also don't see why you feel that you'd get a different answer as to ownership this time it happened as opposed to the last time it happened.

Why are you asking this again?

My question was with respect to people giving away UN nations, and the question of whether the endorsements they recieved were their property to give away.

That's the question I posed, wondering what the cause for the previous ruling that it was legal for people to give away nations *with endorsements*, as I wasn't sure if I own the endorsements that other nations give me, and would therefore have the right to give away.


Originally Posted by Frisbeeteria
Endorsements are 'seals of approval' that belong to the nation that gave them. The endosements you give are yours to take away again, but the reverse is not true. You can't remove one endorsement without removing them all (by abandoning your region or resigning from the UN).

If someone whose positions are abhorrent to you endorses you, you can't selectively remove their 'Seal'. Unlike a visiting embassy whom you may eject upon offense, the Seal of an endorsement must be borne regardless of your desire in the matter.

Therefore I would have to say that endorsements received are most definitely not your property, and therefore should never be transferable by your choice. The only transfer tool in your toolbox is Politics.

Was the interesting response I recieved that the endorsements my nation has recieved cannot be transferred by my choice.

Which does go against the decision back in January.

I did get a new answer as to ownership in this case, and decided to bring it up again, as it is happening again.

Nations give you their endorsements if they like you, regardless of how you feel against them. You'can't pick and choose who endorses you. If really want to try and change this system, you might try and bring the issue up in game play. I'm pretty sure changing this system around would involve altering game code.

The endorsements you recieve are not your property is the general point though.

It is also legal to give a nation away to someone else. If the endorsees don't like the new ownership, they can withdraw their endorsements.

Also, the moderators decide everything on a case-by-case basis. Hack and Fris already gave an answer and that answer will stand in your case. I'd suggest dropping it. The mods don't like repeat topics coming up, it tends to waste man hours.

It is also legal to give a nation away to someone else. If the endorsees don't like the new ownership, they can withdraw their endorsements.

Also, the moderators decide everything on a case-by-case basis. Hack and Fris already gave an answer and that answer will stand in your case. I'd suggest dropping it. The mods don't like repeat topics coming up, it tends to waste man hours.

That's certainly a position to take, looking at it from "they're free to take the endorsement back at any time" instead of my "you don't own it and can't give it away"

I also agree that legal theory sucks up man hours like nobody's business. Does make the case-by-case easier in the long run, though.

One player "claims" to be in control of the nations --------- and ---------. Both nations have UN membership.

One player "claims" to be in control of the nations ----------- and ------------. Both nations have UN membership.
this is a seperate question, please create a new thread to bring it to the mod's attention.

this is a seperate question, please create a new thread to bring it to the mod's attention.
no edit the names frome your post and file a ghr

One player "claims" to be in control of the nations ----------- and ----------------. Both nations have UN membership.

Be carefull not to use the mods, just to have ------------- removed. They don't like that.

Therefore I would have to say that endorsements received are most definitely not your property, and therefore should never be transferable by your choice. The only transfer tool in your toolbox is Politics.
In this context, "you" means "you, the nation", not "you, the player". Just as Foundership resides in the nation regardless of who is playing it, endorsements belong to the nation regardless of the logged-in player. It's too complicated to use in-character-ish language to describe the difference, so we just use "you" to describe the nation.

ALL the nations belong to Max Barry, so this whole discussion of "ownership" is rather pointless.

Yes, everything on the server space belongs to Max, but if he lets us swap nations, it gives us a certain (and I think far from pointless) amount of control over said nation.

I would put the UN endorsements my nation has given to others on the same level as founded regions (something I have created using the game mechanics). UN endorsements my nation has recieved or, since you brought it up, regions founded by other players would be on another level, something others have created using the game mechanics.

I stated that I thought it was odd that I should be able to give something that others had made, and wondered what you modly powers thought when put that way. I asked the question with respect to the player controlling the nation, and read that into the 'you' in the response.

Nations and whatever attributes they have (including endorsements) are free to be given away.
The matter is closed.