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Unsolicited flame;
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8743079&postcount=53

non-offensive post (placed only for the context);
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8743260&postcount=56
threatening post (a reply to the non-offensive post);
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8743268&postcount=57

There is no difference here than if a male poster made the suggestion that a woman poster deserved a painful injury to her genitilia simply for starting a reasonably worded thread. (It is ironic that it would appear in a thread of such relevance.) I find it offensive, inapropriate and undeserved.

I have to say that moderating will be getting rather rediculous if all references to crotch-kicking are banned.
That said, all descisions are left up to the mods.

<-- Disclaimer - Is not a Moderator.


That being said, those are SO tame as to be laughable. I mean, considering what I've been called because I play an Arab country, that doesn't even rate.

I'm not a moderator, but those posts you cited seem - at the very worst - tame to me. It sounds like you're upset because people don't like your the implication that many people lie about rape (NB. I'm not saying you think that or that you even intended to suggest it, but some may have interpreted that way).

But as I say, I'm not a moderator, so I suppose the above is conjecture at best.

sorry to dig this one back up - I was on vacation.

I've seem people warned simply for saying 'let me dumb this down for you'.

Suggesting sexual violence would seem to be of a higher order than 'dumbing down' something. It should be no more tolerated than if a person suggested a woman deserved to be sexually injured for starting a thread. A threat is what a threat is.

The suggestion that I don't like their argument is ludicrous. I post here BECAUSE I want to find people who disagree with me. What fun is it to hang with people who all agree? I'm ok with that until people threaten me physically. Real, percieved or even suggested, a threat should not be tolerated.

A flame/insult with no content whatsoever is equally demeaning to the entire forum. I appreciate people who can disagree and share different opinions. Calling someone "an idiot/paranoid conspiracy theorist" does not add anything constructive to any discussion.

I ignored this the first time through after reading your initial post, and I'd prefer to ignore it this time too.

You posted a bit of extreme trollery, apparently looking for harsh responses, and you got a couple of mild flames in response. There is no threat, real or implied, in Potaria's post, so don't bother pushing that. It's a flame, and in-context with the theme of the thread, I would say.

If you really want, I'll slap the wrists of the mild flamers while slapping you harder for that bit of trolling. Personally, I'd rather just drop it, since everyone else has. You tell me. Pursue ALL aspects, or let it drop? Ball's in your court.

Maybe I'm unclear on your definition of trolling; tell me what part of bringing up for discussion four similar news articles and commentaries is trolling?

I think he wants you to Pursue ALL aspects Frisbeeteria. :p

Maybe I'm unclear on your definition of trolling; tell me what part of bringing up for discussion four similar news articles and commentaries is trolling?
I'd suggest you just drop it. You know everything here is decided on case-by-case basis.

I'd suggest you just drop it. You know everything here is decided on case-by-case basis.
If I am going to play by the rules I have to understand them.

If I am going to play by the rules I have to understand them.


I like the "if" in it, does that mean you're not yet playing by the rules?

And I don't really get the riot over kicking someone on the balls. Oh my, how terrible... The world's ending... note the sarcasm...

I hadn't clicked all the links until now. I see now. Wendy McElroy is the actual troll. You're just the one who copied and pasted the text and essentially claimed it for your own. Good to know that, despite his deletion, the MKULTRA breed of copy/paste trolling isn't entirely dead. Way to drag NOW and the concept of feminism through the mud without actually showing that this was anything more than one or two lying people. That part is the trolling, in case you hadn't figured it out from the comments in your thread.

I hadn't clicked all the links until now. I see now. Wendy McElroy is the actual troll. You're just the one who copied and pasted the text and essentially claimed it for your own. Good to know that, despite his deletion, the MKULTRA breed of copy/paste trolling isn't entirely dead. Way to drag NOW and the concept of feminism through the mud without actually showing that this was anything more than one or two lying people. That part is the trolling, in case you hadn't figured it out from the comments in your thread.

so if I read this correctly then you consider it trolling because you disagree with the facts and opinion of the sources I quoted and linked?

A considerable portion of the opening post was my own work. As I recall MCULTRA never bothered with editorializing, nor backing up the posts with info from more than one source - democracynow.org. I have done a considerably more thorough job than that.

If you want to argue the credibility of the multiple sources, it would seem the original thread is the best place for it. Meanwhile I have been threatened and flamed. Is this not the correct procedure for reporting it?

I would reccommed for you, my friend, that you read the contents of this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416023) thread closely, and pay special attention to the following paragraph:

Posts that are made with the aim of angering people. (like 'ALL JEWS ARE [insert vile comment here]' for example). While Trolls often make these posts strictly in an attempt to provoke negative comment, it is still trolling even if you actually hold those beliefs. Intent is difficult to prove over the internet, so mods will work under their best assumptions.

Note that posts of opinions you disagree with does not automatically equate with trolling. Disagreements are expected, as long as they are done in a civil manner. Max Barry has made it clear that he welcomes all opinions in civil debate, even those that are highly unpopular or minority-held. Make your case without the invective, if you want to avoid banishment as a Troll.

Trolling is also is used to refer to making obviously silly topics that people nonetheless will reply to, despite all common sense. Don't feed the trolls.

That should help you understand what trolling really is. I haven't really studied the thread you are reporting from myself, but I'm sure that if the mods say that there are foul play, then there are. Simple as that. It has nothing to do if the mod in question believe in your sources or not (mods, correct me if I'm mistaken here). They are here just to make sure that everyone follows the rules set to this game by Max Barry (oh sacret one, hear my prayer!).

Just a friendly piece of advice. And no, I am not a mod.

Thanks, Cotland, for the input. You should take a look at the thread in question. There is no [insert vile comment here] made in the opening post. In fact it is carefully researched and articulated. It would seem to qualify, at the least, as this;

Note that posts of opinions you disagree with does not automatically equate with trolling. Disagreements are expected, as long as they are done in a civil manner. Max Barry has made it clear that he welcomes all opinions in civil debate, even those that are highly unpopular or minority-held. Make your case without the invective, if you want to avoid banishment as a Troll.

The fact that some have digressed to name calling and suggesting violence is the fault of the posters, not the thread author. It would be hypocritical to consider a painful kick to a male's sex organs any less offensive than any suggestion of similar assault to any part of a female. Maybe someone here could post a similar assault to females which would not be considered offensive? Then the case could be made that I over-reacted.

I fail to see a problem. Besides, it might not have been the balls. The ribs are pretty sensitive also.
*Not a mod*

so if I read this correctly then you consider it trolling because you disagree with the facts and opinion of the sources I quoted and linked?
I consider it trolling because of the way you presented your facts and opinions, and published them under a thread name that was trolling in and of itself.

If you want to appeal this decision, email salusa@nationstates.net. I'm sure Sal would be delighted to intercede in a decision where no warnings were issued and the thread wasn't even locked.

We're done here.