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I recently received this message:

NationStates Moderators
Received: 22 hours ago

Creating nations to deliberately impersonate another player is not allowed. It states this quite clearly in the FAQ.
Unfortunately it didn't identify which puppet of mine had been deleted, but I can only assume it was the nation PRP Militia, which was deleted yesterday. I replied to the message via the getting help page, and I basically asked which nation it was deemed to have impersonated. I am awaiting a reply, but I would like to hear what other players think about the situation.

I will just say that I did not create that nation to impersonate any other nation, rather I created it in an attempt to embody the PRP Militia, an outside of the game creation of Unlimited, current delegate of the Pacific. Following receipt of the mod message, I searched for nations with similar names. Interestingly I came up with "-PRP Militia Commander-" in the North Pacific, although that nation appears to have been created after I created "PRP Militia" since it only has a population of 8 mill (at the very least they were created very close in time). I find it curious that this nation has not been deleted.

So, thoughts?

why, Why WHY!
:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

Hi there!

I have a post in a similar vein just down the thread a little - I'm sure the Mod answer may shed some light for you - When it arrives!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=412442

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=413266

Cheers!

Moooby.

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HI
What i don't understand is that you were deleted, and this other nation wasnt! That just makes me think......... Who deleted you and why! and they must not be doing somthing rite!

NationStates Moderators
Received: 22 hours ago

Creating nations to deliberately impersonate another player is not allowed. It states this quite clearly in the FAQ.I think if you want to challenge whether or not you deliberately impersonated another country's name, you could do that either via the Getting Help feature or by sending an e-mail to admin@nationstates.net.

I did do that Sarzonia. The reason I posted this, is that I am at a complete loss as to what nation it is that I allegedly impersonated, let alone deliberately. To my knowledge there was no other player with a nation name similar to "PRP Militia" at the time I created it.

Kouga Town, at this point I am left to wonder if the identity of the game mod didn't have something to do with the deletion, but I would prefer to wait until I hear something from the mods than to speculate.

Thanks Moooby for the links. It looks like you actually have a trickier question. Mine is pretty cut and dry: what nation was I allegedly impersonating?

So here is the response I got:

"The United Socialist States of PRP Militia I am here as a representative of the PRP. Ivan, consider this notice that the PRP is very displeased and intends to reclaim the North Pacific as its sovereign territory."

Nation or organisation - that is still an attempt to impersonate, and not allowed.

What is quoted in the mod reply above is a post I made with PRP militia on the North Pacific civil hq board. This is what is stated in the FAQ:

Can I steal another player's nation?

No. This is fraudulent behavior and breaches the site's terms & conditions. The same applies to any attempt to impersonate another player, including attempting to hack nation or region passwords.

I'm sorry, but I don't see anything in there which "states . . . quite clearly" that pretending to operate on behalf of an extra-game created organization is against any rule whatsoever. The PRP is not another player, and it is not even a region which exists in this game. The PRP is a construct which exists outside of the game.

Even if the PRP was an organization within the confines of the game, are the rules in this allegedly political game, such that subterfuge and pretense are not allowed? If so, how could one ever be allowed to have an undercover puppet? Representing yourself as something you are not is the heart of much activity in NationStates.

Moreover, I question how the mod who deleted the nation knew for certain that I didn't represent the PRP? Is it that the mod was Myrth? One has to wonder whether this particular action has to do with any hard and fast rule, or whether it has to do with the sympathies of the mod.

At its core I find the mod action in clear contrast to the clearly stated rule in the FAQ that one cannot impersonate another player. The mod who replied quite clearly conceded that PRP Militia was not impersonating another player, but rather that attempting to impersonate an organization was the same thing. Sorry mod-god, but I don't see that stated clearly anywhere.

I would like to reiterate, the PRP does not exist as a construct within the NationStates game (as played out on this server). How can a puppet be deleted for not violating the rules as set out in the FAQ? Or has this rule been posted elsewhere?

PRP stands for People's Republic of the Pacific. PRP Militia is an organization that embodies people within the game, within the NationStates region "The Pacific". Impersonating the organization has direct consequences on the in-game events. This is the legal bit, which seems very clear to me and in accordance with game rules.

As for the non-legal bit, your actions merely expose another resort to underhanded tactics. Your lot do worse and worse every day.

New Duce,

Perhaps you could direct me to the place on the NationStates server where I can find either the "PRP", the "People's Republic of the Pacific", or the "PRP Militia"? If you can't, please explain to me how either creating the nation PRP Militia, or claiming to represent the PRP can be construed as "impersonating another nation," which is, in fact, all that is prohibited under the FAQ.


[edit]: I would really like to have a mod address the questions raised, most pertinently, is it illegal to impersonate or pretend to represent an organization which exists only outside of this game?

Have you ever watched that Jack Nicholson movie "A few good men"?

I'll display my argument quoting the movie (more or less)

Tom Cruise: Could you indicate in this book where the mess hall is?
Private: It's not there
Tom Cruise: So, you never had lunch?
Private: I just followed the others around

Adapted to the current situation

Tom Cruise: Could you direct me to the PRP using in game mechanisms, Private?
Private: I couldn't, sir.
Tom Cruise: So the PRP doesn't exist? Have you ever heard of them? How can I locate them?
Private: I just followed the others around into "The Pacific".

I rest my case

New Duce,

Perhaps you could direct me to the place on the NationStates server where I can find either the "PRP", the "People's Republic of the Pacific", or the "PRP Militia"? If you can't, please explain to me how either creating the nation PRP Militia, or claiming to represent the PRP can be construed as "impersonating another nation," which is, in fact, all that is prohibited under the FAQ.


[edit]: I would really like to have a mod address the questions raised, most pertinently, is it illegal to impersonate or pretend to represent an organization which exists only outside of this game?
Peoples Revolutionary Party

World Factbook Entry: The PRP believes that the revolution of the Proletariat is inevitable, while at the same time, the PRP denounces the oppressive Stalinist regimes of the of the 20th century. Together with our allies we are trying to establish global Socialism within our lifetimes. We are an RKKA member.

Our forum:
http://s8.invisionfree.com/PRP_discussion/index.php?act=idx

Our homepage:
http://www.freewebs.com/bionuke118/

PRoPaganda! :
http://www.freewebs.com/propaganda5097/ another prp the commies of this region even call them selves the prp

I take it New Duce, that you concede that there is no region called "PRP Militia" or "PRP" or the "People's Republic of the Pacific"? I would hope that you concede that nowhere, with PRP Militia, did I claim to be another player.

As I understand it, your entire case revolves around a moderator of this game looking to an external website. Furthermore, that moderator would have to know, or be a part of that external organization to make a judgment call on whether what the nation in question said was a falsehood or not.

New Duce, it has been my understanding that the mods do not look outside of NationStates. I'm also a bit at a loss to understand your strange reference to the movie "A Few Good Men" and why you would rest your case on it. It seems to me that this issue should be pretty cut and dry. According to the FAQ, it is illegal to impersonate another player. I don't think that anyone can make the argument that PRP Militia is impersonating another player.

If the reason for deletion is that PRP Militia was impersonating a construct which exists outside of the game, then I find that ruling very troubling, and I would like to have a mod clearly explain the rules surrounding it.


[edit]: Right Thinking Whites, thanks for the info on that "PRP", but I don't think anyone, including New Duce, would argue that I was attempting to impersonate them. Even if such was the case, I question where it is stated that it is illegal to pretend to speak or act on behalf of a region. Of course, that would be different than the situation presented here, in which a mod deleted PRP Militia because it was pretending to speak on behalf of an organization which DOES NOT EXIST IN NATIONSTATES.


[2d edit]: Oooh, how did the mod know that I wasn't claiming to act on behalf of the Region Peoples Revolutionary Party (which, as indicated by their WFE) do call themselves the PRP?

[3d edit]: New Duce, in your bizarre "A Few Good Men" argument, you seemingly conflate "The Pacific" with the "PRP" and the "PRP Militia". I may not be the brightest bulb on the tree, but I can't find anything in the Pacific WFE which even includes the term "PRP." For reference, the current Pacific WFE:

The Pacific
World Factbook Entry: Once again the great people of the republic fight back against the opportinistic invaders, leaving them only to stand in awe at the steadfast solidarity shown by the first and greatest region; The Pacific.

“Ex chaos ordo. Ex ignavus veneratio. Ex nusquam maiestas.”

Establish yourself! http://s4.invisionfree.com/thepacific
Pacific Chat: http://www.freewebs.com/pacificchat/
We are a member of The Union: http://s9.invisionfree.com/The_Union

UN Delegate: The People's Voice of Unlimited.

Talk to the hand.

I was brilliant, and you know it.

Trying to get people into trouble to defend your petty tactics is despicable. Try fighting with honour just once.

I suggest both you guys wait for a moderator to comment on this. This is the Moderation forum, not a debate match.

I will gladly wait for moderator response. I will be curious to see what happens with this however:

5 minutes ago
The Republic of PRP Militia Commander-

ATTENTION PACIFIC MILITIA MEMBERS!! YOUR HELP IS NEEDED IN THE EAST PACIFIC!! ADN IS INVADING!! ENDORSE 1 INFINITE LOOP!!

I would like to know which moderator made this ruling.

If in-game "rivals" creating a region called Nahtzicournia (or however they spell it) specifically to compare my region (Nasicournia) to Nazis is legal, then I see no reason why PRP Militia should be deleted--that is a much, much tamer comparison to what one region calls it's government on an offsite forum.


Edit: There's also a puppet named "The ADN" which we have been told is completely legal as this game is based on satire. This is no different--and in fact that nation name is a direct reference to both a region and the larger offsite forum group widely known as the ADN.

I know it took actionable evidence against the nation "Tuesday Hieghts" for the player behind it to be DEATed.

Moreover, I question how the mod who deleted the nation knew for certain that I didn't represent the PRP? Is it that the mod was Myrth? One has to wonder whether this particular action has to do with any hard and fast rule, or whether it has to do with the sympathies of the mod.

Leave your conspiracy theories at the door.

from what i know myrth isn't supposed to act as a mod in the pacific or the north pacific because of his involvement in the regional politics and his bias there.

so it couldn't have been him (i hope).

it is interesting though, that this nation was deleted, while in similair cases, the nations were allowed to stay, i hope a mod will soon clarify this.

I would like to know which moderator made this ruling.

If in-game "rivals" creating a region called Nahtzicournia (or however they spell it) specifically to compare my region (Nasicournia) to Nazis is legal, then I see no reason why PRP Militia should be deleted--that is a much, much tamer comparison to what one region calls it's government on an offsite forum.


Edit: There's also a puppet named "The ADN" which we have been told is completely legal as this game is based on satire. This is no different--and in fact that nation name is a direct reference to both a region and the larger offsite forum group widely known as the ADN.

par·o·dy
n. pl. par·o·dies

1.
1. A literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of an author or a work for comic effect or ridicule. See Synonyms at caricature.
2. The genre of literature comprising such works.
2. Something so bad as to be equivalent to intentional mockery; a travesty: The trial was a parody of justice.
3. Music. The practice of reworking an already established composition, especially the incorporation into the Mass of material borrowed from other works, such as motets or madrigals.



im·per·son·ate
tr.v. im·per·son·at·ed, im·per·son·at·ing, im·per·son·ates

1. To assume the character or appearance of, especially fraudulently: impersonate a police officer.
2. To imitate the appearance, voice, or manner of; mimic: an entertainer who impersonates celebrities.
3. Archaic. To embody; personify.

Edit: There's also a puppet named "The ADN" which we have been told is completely legal as this game is based on satire. This is no different--and in fact that nation name is a direct reference to both a region and the larger offsite forum group widely known as the ADN.

so, could you explain the difference with this?

so, could you explain the difference with this?

Judging by the flag, that nation has no intention of impersonating anyone/anything.

General rule on impersonations is that it's OK as long as it's not to the defammation of a player. In other words, I could impersonate Kandarin there to gain intelligence. However, the instant I start harrassing Kandarin or begin to defame his character, it's gone too far.


The only exceptions being the Moderators - for somewhat (I hope) obvious reasons. Moderators are not to be closely impersonated as it can (and has in the past) cause(d) confusion.


Okay, so since when has this rule changed?

Go PRP Militia Commander!

53 minutes ago
The Republic of PRP Militia Commander-

All Militia members should go to The South Pacific and endorse Caer Rialis.

I hope that this matter is still under review, and that some sort of decision or explanation will be forthcoming shortly.

Judging by the flag, that nation has no intention of impersonating anyone/anything.

That's funny, I could have sworn I reported that guy because he wrote me explaining his impersonation and blackmailing me to move to the region ADN--when he had a flag like ours. Oh wait. That's because I did. He's still in existence.

There's also been plenty of other puppets that give out ADN and TITO orders on regional boards that have also never been deleted. The ADN and TITO and other defender groups/governments are not a person and therefore open to gameplay impersonation...PRP Militia is not a person and should therefore follow that precedent. Myrth. The PRP only exists offsite as much as any other imanginary government does. Play fair.

This decision is wrong.

I'm not sure how you're able to read into people's intentions when they make puppets and/or regions. I note you didn't reply about your friends that made the Nahtzicournia region. That was created with malice and you know it.

I hope to hear from another mod about this issue. Picking and choosing who's impersonating and being inappropriate because you know the real identity of their owner and think you know why they're doing it doesn't seem kosher to me.

Further activity from PRP Militia Commander on the North Pacific board, the same board on which PRP Militia posted a comment and was subsequently deleted.

3 hours ago
The People's Republic of PRP Militia Commander

All Union of Sovereigns members need to pull out of this region, we've reached an agreement with the North Pacific Confederation. We're returning to neutral status to consider merging with the Allied Liberation League.

Further activity from PRP Militia Commander on the North Pacific board, the same board on which PRP Militia posted a comment and was subsequently deleted.
If this was posted on the Civil Headquarters board of "The North Pacific", then it got bumped off by now. I cannot verify this.

Note that I am implying nothing about NationStates rules, as this is up for discussion by the Moderators, at present.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

I saw this statement, it was also quoted by 3060C0 before it was bumped off... but next time it happens should he file a GHP request such that the RMB can be screen-shoted for the mods?

*NOTE* Ish not a mod */NOTE*

It depends on whether or not the mods rule that impersonation of offsite governments and organizations not technically recognized by the game is to be outlawed from now on since it has never been up until yesterday. We can only wait patiently until then.

I will gladly wait for moderator response. I will be curious to see what happens with this however:

Well that post certainly makes things a slightly different color of Horse.

Is there any estimate as to when a decision will be rendered?

Respectfully,
A 24-hour (or so) bump.

I hate to keep asking, but is a decision on this issue expected anytime soon?

bump, diddley, bumpty-bump

Is there any estimate as to when a decision will be rendered?

Possibly Never, lol.

would seem like it :p

This is strange; Pope Hope is correct for a change...
The mods seem to be incorrect.

*crickets*

a tumbleweed rolls past . . .

I hate to keep asking, but is a decision on this issue expected anytime soon?
As a forum mod, I can't decide this, but I ought to at least be able to understand the question. I see mod responses from Myrth and Cogitation, and a comment by Hack. Long threads with lots of comments are hard to follow, and frankly I'm having trouble understanding what the actual issue is here. What exactly is it that is still undecided, and what sort of ruling are you looking for?

whether it is legal to impersonate another player for ingame purposes, like in trying to get intel (and not for harassing). Myrth said no, but in a previous thread, neut (when he was still a mod) ruled it was legal. cog said they were discussing this, and we were wondering if anything has come out of it yet.

That isn't exactly the issue Crazy girl. To sum it up as succintly as possible, the nation PRP Militia was deleted, ostensibly for impersonating another player. The nation was deleted after posting the following message on the North Pacific civil hq:

The United Socialist States of PRP Militia

I am here as a representative of the PRP. Ivan, consider this notice that the PRP is very displeased and intends to reclaim the North Pacific as its sovereign territory.
When I asked which player, the reply came that it was for impersonating an organization, which was functionally the same thing. I again asked what organization PRP Militia was accused of impersonating, to which there has been no reply.

Presumably, the mod who deleted PRP Militia thought that the nation was impersonating an outside of the game construction, the People's Republic of the Pacific ("PRP") Militia. The question posed was whether impersonation of an outside of the game construct was against the rules. There has been no answer as to this question.

Several other questions arise out the deletion of PRP Militia:
1) the identity of the mod who deleted the nation.
2) by what progression of logic the mod concluded that PRP Milita was in fact impersonating anyone or anything, e.g., what was it about the message combined with nation name that led the mod to concluded as he/she did.
3) why weren't nations with similar names to PRP Milita, e.g., PRP Militia Commander, also deleted when they posted explicit commands purportedly on behalf of the People's Republic of the Pacific Militia.

In considering the second question noted above, it is perhaps useful to engage in close textual analysis of both the name of the nation and the message left. The name, PRP Militia, was, to my knowledge, unique to NationStates at the time I created it. In other words, there was no organization or player with a similar name that I was aware of. After deletion, I became aware that there is in fact a region entitled Peoples Revolutionary Party, which refers to themselves as the PRP in the WFE. How did the mod know that PRP Militia wasn't purporting to represent this region?

Turning to the text of the message left, I question how the mod "knew" that there was even "impersonation" taking place. The first sentence of the message ("I am here as a representative of the PRP.") leaves the question as to what the entity is that is being referred to. Please remember that it is important to analyze this in terms of what the mod knew at the time of deletion, not in terms of after-acquired facts or statements. Furthermore, how did the mod know that PRP Militia was not in fact representing whatever the PRP was?

The second sentence ("Ivan, consider this notice that the PRP is very displeased and intends to reclaim the North Pacific as its sovereign territory.") begs for an answer to the question who is Ivan? There is no nation named Ivan, and I am curious as to the train of thought of the mod as he or she considered the name of PRP Militia and the message left in deciding that PRP Militia was impersonating something in violation of the game rules, even if they weren't clearly stated rules as originally stated by the mod:

NationStates Moderators
Received: 22 hours ago

Creating nations to deliberately impersonate another player is not allowed. It states this quite clearly in the FAQ.
I hope I cleared things up somewhat, and I really hope that answers to the above questions are forthcoming some time soon. The deletion of PRP Militia occurred on April 20, and to date there has been no satisfying response.

ummm....yeah...

*grumbles about long posts* :p

anyways, we're still waiting for the ruling :D

whether it is legal to impersonate another player for ingame purposes, like in trying to get intel (and not for harassing). Myrth said no, but in a previous thread, neut (when he was still a mod) ruled it was legal. cog said they were discussing this, and we were wondering if anything has come out of it yet.


Well Going on this,
Myrth is a Mod and Said No
Neut, while once a Mod who Said Yes, is no longer a Mod,

Therfore, Neuts Ruling is invalidated and Myrths is the current ruling.

But that is just me on this one topic, and I think Water is Wet.

neut was a mod at the time he made that ruling. would be funny that if each time a mod retired all his rulings would become invalid.

also, myrth is involved in the pacific and PRP as a player, so i don't see him as a mod when dealing with the pacific or the north pacific, but as a player.

In considering the second question noted above, it is perhaps useful to engage in close textual analysis of both the name of the nation and the message left. The name, PRP Militia, was, to my knowledge, unique to NationStates at the time I created it. In other words, there was no organization or player with a similar name that I was aware of. After deletion, I became aware that there is in fact a region entitled Peoples Revolutionary Party, which refers to themselves as the PRP in the WFE. How did the mod know that PRP Militia wasn't purporting to represent this region?

This is an excellent point and something I hadn't though of before. Considering this, the mod who made the ruling would have had to have taken gameplay into consideration--who owned the puppet and the reference to Ivan. Otherwise they wouldn't have assumed it was an impersonation (of the Pacific's offsite created "PRP"), and/or a lot of other nations would be mistakenly deleted each day.

@ Daft...what do you mean Pope's right for once? :sniper:

:p

Talking about PRP nations :-P

DAFIDIUS PRP

Or Trotskys Ghost with as motto: "Minister of War of the PRP"

And The New Soviet State with this flag:

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/the_new_soviet_state.jpg

And ending his post with:

Comrade Shane
Chairman of the PRP

And also, this post:

12 hours ago The United Socialist States of Marturia Central Comrades of the PRP,

Again, our membership grows and our comradely atmosphere has been restored! Peace reigns, the Nazis are being pushed back, and we have again surpassed the 70 mark. It is a great day for us, and praise be to our fine comrades who have helped build this region. WORKERS OF THE WORLD, UNITE!

Comrade Martin
General Secretary of the PRP
Core Leader of the LOTRA and RKKA

Loop, I hate to burst your bubble, but if the moderators are discussing such a ruling, then, the only thing that is invalid is your post. If the mods are going to make a ruling, then, past rulings and present rulings are colliding and they are discussing such collision as opposed to one ruling over the other as being set in stone.

Besides, in the past Neut's ruling has been precedent, and most moderators have stuck to that ruling until now. Saying what you're saying, that if a moderator comes to say something contrary to that ruling is fuzzy logic, because you don't just come along and change a ruling because you feel like it. If that was the case, there would be rule changes happening all the time as opposed to dicussion like the mods are taking part in now.

Well Going on this,
Myrth is a Mod and Said No
Neut, while once a Mod who Said Yes, is no longer a Mod,

Therfore, Neuts Ruling is invalidated and Myrths is the current ruling.

But that is just me on this one topic, and I think Water is Wet.

Wow, how nice to see one of the GMs furthering his own interests through abuse of his powers as GM. I've heard this isnt the only time.

Too bad I'm not a GM anymore, seems like most of the currently active ones are only participating in activities that further their own opinions. NS just isnt the same as it was when I left. It somehow seems more stifled than it was...but, hey, I'm just another generalite now...dont bother listening to me...

And to think, I used to be called trigger-happy. And the invaders / anti-invaders wanted a player that participated in invasions to be a mod...now you have one...

*motions to have neut back as mod to replace another certain gamemod*



not gonna happen anyways, i guess...

heya neut, ya old bastard :p :fluffle:

I, for one, value your opinion Neut! Thanks for adding your two cents. Now I just hope the current mods will tackle the issues raised by the action of the as yet unknown moderator.

Wow, how nice to see one of the GMs furthering his own interests through abuse of his powers as GM. I've heard this isnt the only time.

Some of us have been saying that for a long time, Neut, it's good to see we aren't the only ones who see through a thinly veiled crusade to hide intent by Myrth.

Aye.

Neut, you should come back as a GM. :cool:

Aye.

Neut, you should come back as a GM. :cool:

Nah. He should come back and replace Myrth as Overlord of General. I miss Myrth always being in General. :(

PS - Check your TGs, PH.

Disclaimer: My support for Neut as a returning Mod is no indication that he has bribed me. ;)

Check your regional board, HR. ;)

Aye.

Neut, you should come back as a GM. :cool:

I dont think the rest of the Mods, much less Max, want me back as a GM. I'm open to it if they want me back, but I'm not asking them - they'll need to come to me. Sorry guys.

This deletion is under review.

any answer to this yet?

Ok, there are 2 parts to this ruling:


No precedents are being set by anyone. - Just to be explicit. We aren't declaring this type of impersonation legal/illegal. We aren't declaring this ruling correct/wrong. etc. If you can think of any precedent that could be set by this ruling, it isn't being set.
PRP militia will be ressurected with all warnings recorded but reduced in severity to simply informational. (ie. They may still effect later rulings, but not in the same way as "official" ones. It's tough to explain).

Just to be clear, I should/and or shouldn't pay any heed to any of the events related to the (as yet unknown) mod's deletion of PRP Militia? :confused:

Ok, there are 2 parts to this ruling:


No precedents are being set by anyone. - Just to be explicit. We aren't declaring this type of impersonation legal/illegal. We aren't declaring this ruling correct/wrong. etc. If you can think of any precedent that could be set by this ruling, it isn't being set.
PRP militia will be ressurected with all warnings recorded but reduced in severity to simply informational. (ie. They may still effect later rulings, but not in the same way as "official" ones. It's tough to explain).


Sal, precedents have and will continue to be set. That's the way it works.

I'd hope that there would be investigation into WHY the mod who deleted the nation did so - I have this funny feeling that it's not just because of 'impersonating another player.'

As I said before, this is not the first I've heard of a moderator furthering his in-game interests through manipulation of his Game Mod powers. I guess that precedent that was set long ago no longer stands either...

Sal, precedents have and will continue to be set. That's the way it works.

I'd hope that there would be investigation into WHY the mod who deleted the nation did so - I have this funny feeling that it's not just because of 'impersonating another player.'

As I said before, this is not the first I've heard of a moderator furthering his in-game interests through manipulation of his Game Mod powers. I guess that precedent that was set long ago no longer stands either...

Neut, I'm just clarifying that in this particular thread, no precidents have been set. In fact I think that leaves you as the most recent precendent. I'm basically annulling the ruling and declaring that it never happened.

Yes, the reasons for this deletion are being examined. Moderators have always been, and still are, prohibited from abusing their powers.

hey Neut, good to see you're still around

Neut, I'm just clarifying that in this particular thread, no precidents have been set. In fact I think that leaves you as the most recent precendent. I'm basically annulling the ruling and declaring that it never happened.

Yes, the reasons for this deletion are being examined. Moderators have always been, and still are, prohibited from abusing their powers.

Sal, I am so relieved to hear that this is still under investigation. This combined with other similar recent events have had me actually evaluating whether or not to stay in the game. It is a relief to hear that player concerns are being taken into serious consideration.

I have faith that the right thing will be done and thank you for remaining fair.

Is there any further news on the results of the investigation into the mod actions regarding PRP Militia?

Is there any further news on the results of the investigation into the mod actions regarding PRP Militia?

There is no further new.

I must have misinterpreted your statement that "the reasons for this deletion are being examined."

I'm disappointed that this is being swept under the virtual carpet.

I must have misinterpreted your statement that "the reasons for this deletion are being examined."

I'm disappointed that this is being swept under the virtual carpet.Your attitude is not appreciated.

Keep in mind that we are all unpaid volunteers, here. NationStates must necessarily take a back seat to our real lives and our real responsibilities. Also keep in mind that even when we do have time for NationStates, there is a lot of discussion between Moderators and Administrators that goes on behind closed doors and that you are not going to be informed of every single detail of those discussions. Also keep in mind that we always have new requests for our help, time, and attention on new and unrelated problems both in-game and in-forums; your problem is not the only problem we have to deal with. Finally, keep in mind that the only Admins are Max, [violet], and Salusa, and any problems concerning Moderators require Admin time and and attention, and there is very little Admin time and attention available.

The reasons for this deletion are being examined. We are not done examining them, yet.

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I have been very patient. Please note that I had waited 11 days since Salusa's last post before asking if there was anything further.

It sure seemed to me like Salusa was saying that this incident was done with. If I misinterpreted what he was saying (and I can only assume that I did, because you say that this is still under investigation) then my apologies, and I will continue to wait patiently.

I have been very patient. Please note that I had waited 11 days since Salusa's last post before asking if there was anything further.

It sure seemed to me like Salusa was saying that this incident was done with. If I misinterpreted what he was saying (and I can only assume that I did, because you say that this is still under investigation) then my apologies, and I will continue to wait patiently.

You did misinterprate it. I simply said that there is no more news.

This incident has been brought to my attention; I will investigate and try to post a finding in the next few days.

@[violet], thank you.

Salusa, my apologies.