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I am not here to complain about having all my nations booted...but rather the booting of nations that simply entered the North Pacific during the bootings by Pixiedance.

5 minutes ago: The Republic of Serve Till departed this region for The Rejected Realms
5 minutes ago: The North Pacific Delegacy of Pixiedance ejected The Republic of Serve Till from the region.
5 minutes ago: The Republic of Serve Till arrived from The Rejected Realms.
1 minute ago: The United States of Revel Slit departed this region for The Rejected Realms
1 minute ago: The North Pacific Delegacy of Pixiedance ejected The United States of Revel Slit from the region.
2 minutes ago: The United States of Revel Slit arrived from The Rejected Realms.

There are more ...i have screenshots as well of the booting if needed.

As much as my politiking in NS would say otherwise, I do believe the Delegate of a feeder can boot anybody they want at will without "griefing."

I think the question is actually about the banlist...what's the current limit to how many can be booted/banned without it being a griefing?

I watched Pixidance boot nations within less than a second of their arrival in the region or within a second of them being created. In fact, I watched the UN Delegate boot upwards of 10 nations all in the same second and I literally mean the very same second.

F4A just corrected me that there now is a cap on the banlist to prevent griefing this way? So there is no ejection limit in the Pacifics?

(Let me make it clear I know the current person behind Pixiedance and know he wouldn't break the rules if he knew them, just looking for clarification. I also think a thread here is good to replace unneeded GHRs over this.)

10 nations booted? Wow. That's a whole 0.001%

Closer to 140

Ze list:

-Romanoffia-
-Working Class Hero-
120th Ejected Nation
6SIX6
Abdul Khemed
Ambassador Free4All
Ananke
Ananke Valar
Anarchist Conservators
AntoninScalia
Ass ass ass ass of ass
Azalot
BAptist House
Baptists Unite
BDTS
Berzerkeley California
Blackbird
Botched Surgeries
Bouncer Butch
Braeland
Brinc0ff
Brincoff
CDO
Ceil
Central station
Cercei
CHECK OUT MY MOTTO
Clanspeople
Cruithne three
Daze of the Weak
Defense and Liberation
Densville
Developing Malaysia
DJacobia
Donder
Dream Flower
Dsakljds
Dublin Commune
Dystopiary
Economic Determinists
Edgar Degas
Endless Parade
Endless Quest
Exercise Your Rights
Experimentato
Experimentato II
Eye of NS
F242
Former English Colony
Free4All Ambassador
Free4All Envoy
Generalisimo Franco
Georgeton
Ghost of Hamka
GoalVa
Godsgrace
Hassan Bin Sober
Heft
Hel Drant
Helpless Old Ladies
Hersfold
His Own Mother
HoneySheep
I Sniff Markers
Jammindom
Jiggy10
Kane West
Klooster
Knegio
Knight of the Word
Koskalherria
Left Mouse Button
Letuebeet
Longbow
Loopsy
Lord Setekh
Love your neighbour
Lucy231
Marc2018
Mighty Talon
Mrs Moldavi
Nankhimosia
New Borduria
Novare Res
OF ALL GREAT WORLDS
PixiedanceDictatorship
Poester the Spaminator
Purdy Diamond Reloaded
Purdy Diamonds
Qoins
Qwertynimrodiagfrgh
Real BIG Fish
Reborn Carlopia
Revel Slit
Romanoffia II
Saeva
Sanjay patel
Satanic Kitties
Section 2c violation
Self Important Dudes
Serve Till
Sir Andrew
Snoozebot
SpeakersOfTruth
Talon Karrde
Teian Point
The Jealous Dog
The Mikado
The New Dracorian Army
The Northern Isles
The Real Truth
The Red Factions II
The selfish giant
The Sin of Envy
The Sin of Gluttony
The Sin of Lust
The Sin of Sloth
The Tresville Element
The Wings of Death
Thyne
Tlon Uqbar
Treenudity
Tresville Alpha
Tresville Beginnings
Tresville is God
Tresville Nightmares
Tresville Prepotency
Tresville Reloaded
Tresville Stratuum
Tresville Supreme
Tresville Unplugged
UK_Underdog
Ultimate Nucleo
Un Pueblo
Upper and Lower Egypt
Utopia Unlimited

Still a tiny number when you consider the North Pacific has 8000+ nations. And it looks like a lot of those nations are just puppets, too.

...my question stands, puppets or not, is there an eject/ban limit in the Pacifics anymore or no?

Besides, if you took the number of puppets vs individual players ejected into account for the ejection limit, it would seem to only make sense to not count players' puppets in that percentage if you're also not considering the total number of puppets in TNP as part as the total population of the region. :confused:

The coded ban limit hasn't been removed. Newly banned nations will bump older nations from the ban list. And we're still looking at around 2% of the total population.

Ah, so the ejection limit is the same as in player created regions? Will pass that around...couldn't find it in a thread anywhere for some reason.

Since a Pacific is a spawning ground for new players, I think that the rules should be adapted for feeders. It is a bad welcoming message, when everybody who wants to become delegate, and puts hours and hours into swapping and politicking, ends up in the RR with one single push of the button. It gives them a feeling of being pwnd by someone overly powerful, and that they stand no chance in this game. Online games aren't created to bully newbies, unless I am mistaken in this case.

My two cents.

Have the rules also been changes to permit the UN Delegate of a feeder regions to put libelous statements right in the header of the Regional HQ page concering specific players?

I guess what I'm saying is can a UN Delegate in a feeder region use the Header of the Regional HQ page to call specific players and nations "criminals" by name?

I have a screen shot of this if anyone is interested just in case the UN Delegate changes it before the Mods can get a gander.

Online games aren't created to bully newbies, unless I am mistaken in this case.

Apparently, it's acceptable, c'est la vie to regional politics.

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There are more ...i have screenshots as well of the booting if needed.

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I have a screen shot of this if anyone is interested just in case the UN Delegate changes it before the Mods can get a gander.


If I recall, Frisbeeteria (sp?) has said repeatedly (as well as other mods) that screenshots can be doctored and therefore are not good as evidence in most cases.

Dont forget, game mods can see more than we pleebs can, and therefore makes screenshots unneccicary (sp?) anyway.

Oh, and Hack, if you care, the exact number would be 1.75%... *hides from Mod's wrath now*

*NOTE* Ish not a mod */NOTE*

it's happened all before...the pacific, NPO (now PRP)..
they booted over a thousand nations now, and still it's legal..

Well... if they are up to 1000, and they started with 8000... that is 12.5%

This is starting to sound like a nother francos (he was TNP too no?)

*NOTE* Ish not a mod */NOTE*

I have a screen shot of this if anyone is interested just in case the UN Delegate changes it before the Mods can get a gander.
E-Xtremia is correct: Screenshots can be forged and are not accepted as evidence.

I assume that this is the WFE you're referiing to?
The North Pacific
World Factbook Entry: Welcome to The North Pacific! Be heard! Join the forum and the Regional Assembly!

We have taken a strong step forward to peace. The puppets of the criminal underground, mostly belonging to Tresville, Flemingovia and Romanoffia are being removed.

TNP chatroom: esper.net #The_North_Pacific
TNP community and government forum: http://s4.invisionfree.com/TheNorthPacific
I see it. I'm not prepared to officially rule on the legality right this moment.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Thank you Cog.

It's all in the fun of the game and I do have to admit, mass-ejections can make things interesting. The only disturbing part is that "Pixiedance" is following in the exact foosteps of the beloved "Great Bight". It wouldn't be so bad except Pixiedance's use of a tired old strategy is, well, boring to say the least and the strategy will ultimately fail in time.

I'm sure if a nations made a post in the HQ board calling specific nations/players 'criminals' were to be made, you would draw the same conclusion as to the grieffing quality of such a statement? In all reality, I don't mind being called a criminal at all; it's rather funny! In fact it's quite entertaining. I look forward with glee at the inevitable increase in the nastiness of such headers placed by Pixiedance.

Regards,

Romanoffia II
"I used to be disgusted, now I'm only amused!"

What is the game policy on national mottos?

Could I have a national motto that said,
"Fighting against tryannt's like Mikitivity!"

It seems to me that if I were a Delegate, that many players might see the slogan and in doing so, I'd be attacking Mikitivity (I'm using myself as an example). Now if there were a consistent pattern on the forums, this would be considered some form of harassment (I'm not sure if it would be flamebaiting or griefing).

My point, is that changing a regional slogan into an attack on the character of a few nations seems border-line. It comes close to taking things rather personally, and given what little I've seen happing off-forum, I do _not_ believe this to be the case of "roleplaying".

We have taken a strong step forward to peace. The puppets of the criminal underground, mostly belonging to Tresville, Flemingovia and Romanoffia are being removed.

Meh, I interpreted that as an IC claim. "underground" is an IC concept, afterall, so these nations are called criminal within the context of that underground being deemed 'criminal', not the players behind the nations.

No, what I find truly despicable, and worthy of an instant DEAT-resurrection-DEAT (yes, twice, just to get the message across that such behaviour is deemed utterly unacceptable ;) ) is that I wasn't mentioned in that WFE despite me being banned. Bah. I'm sure he left my name out on purpose too, just to slight me. It's an evil dictator I tell ya! :D :D :D

( really, folks, considering prior mod rulings I totally fail to see what Moldavi / Pixiedance may have done which can be seen as violating NS Rules... )

Ballotonia

I look forward with glee at the inevitable increase in the nastiness of such headers placed by Pixiedance.


I think that is the silver lining. Some players might see attacks on others as a bad sign and decide to move to another region. (Of course, others might find it fun. The idea of a nation officially declaring its dislike of another nation, does have some basis in reality: US vs. Iraq.)

( really, folks, considering prior mod rulings I totally fail to see what Moldavi / Pixiedance may have done which can be seen as violating NS Rules... )Ballotonia

Appropriate precedent can be found at http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=5438551&postcount=621

Meh, I interpreted that as an IC claim. "underground" is an IC concept, afterall, so these nations are called criminal within the context of that underground being deemed 'criminal', not the players behind the nations.

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( really, folks, considering prior mod rulings I totally fail to see what Moldavi / Pixiedance may have done which can be seen as violating NS Rules... )
I'm still not prepared to officially rule on the legality*, but I concur with Ballotonia. I doubt that this falls under the "defamation" clause of the Terms and Conditions. Regional/gameplay politics are kinda like their own form of roleplay, so I'm inclined to say that that World Factbook Entry is legal since it's an In-Character statement.

* ...and I don't want a situtation where many people go and starting doing similar things only to get Modslapped for it and claim "Cog said it was okay!" when I was actually wrong....

...and then I have to worry about the people who are given an inch and take a mile and will probably try to find ways to carry this waaay too far. This is why I'm not officially ruling on this, as yet.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

The WFE presented above is completely legal.

*Reads above, shakes head and remembers when this game was fun and The NORTH PACIFIC REGION was the greatest region created*

*Walks away, frustrated and fed up, muttering about mods and their stupid vague unoffical rules*

Nàstic™ The North Pacific's MVP

I don't think it acts as slander in effect, rather empowers them as solid figureheads.

But that is from my perspective, and others may view it differently.

*Reads above, shakes head and remembers when this game was fun and The NORTH PACIFIC REGION was the greatest region created*

*Walks away, frustrated and fed up, muttering about mods and their stupid vague unoffical rules*

Nàstic™ The North Pacific's MVP

Not all the rules are here to enhance gaming experience. Some are made to lighten the burdon of the moderators.
When an internally elected delegate in a small region of 2 natives, ejects the 2, because he's fed up of the invasion threat, he will be deleted.
When a chosen Feeder delegate ejects about 500 nations/natives, just to remain his/her position, moderators say it is okay.
This has nothing to do with fairness. This is all about numbers. [VIOLET] says it's okay, so that's the end of this discussion.
A chosen delegate (That is what s/he is), can IC'ly do with the factbook as s/he pleases.

When a chosen Feeder delegate ejects about 500 nations/natives, just to remain his/her position, moderators say it is okay.


I was also ejected, and held only two endorsements at the time. I do not believe all of the ejections were because we were "political opponents".

I was also ejected, and held only two endorsements at the time. I do not believe all of the ejections were because we were "political opponents".

Number of endorsements isn't the only qualification for being a political opponent. Out of the Pacifics, your nation happens to have one of the largest amounts of political respect in the UN forum. That certainly makes you a target for ejection. Or in the case of the majority of the rest of us, a target for respect. :)

However, there is a silver lining here. If I were you, I'd campaign for your proposal (which is ready in my mind) and add that the tryannt [insert name] has taken control of [insert name] and is ejecting any nation in the North Pacific that speaks up for democracy. (I'm assuming this is largely true, but tailor your statement to fit your needs.)

Smaller region delegates will be mostly sympathic to a single nation with 2 endorsements being booted by a player who just was handed several hundred votes without earning a single endorsement. In the process of campaigning for your proposal, you'll be using the same tactic that the moderators say is legal ... they are saying it is OK to slander (in character) another nation in the world factbook entry. So while campaigning, which is a very legal process, slander that person right back.

There are other things you can do, but I completely agree with Cacobecum, "I don't think it acts as slander in effect, rather empowers them as solid figureheads." [Insert name] is behaving very "Orwellian" ... you don't have to even have read 1984 to realize that the reason he is publically attacking individual players (by saying he will go for their puppets too) is because he is afraid.

It's funny... Great Bight also ruled the North Pacific with an iron fist. Kinda like Pixiedance from what I have heard of it.

It's funny... Great Bight also ruled the North Pacific with an iron fist. Kinda like Pixiedance from what I have heard of it.

Funny you should mention the similarity. It's exactly the same thing that Great Bight and Francos Spain did - mass ejections.

Moving back to what someone else said, the WFE header "Pixiedance" has up in The North Pacific has indeed turned the specific "Criminals" he named and their organization into solid figureheads and symbols. In fact, Pixiedance and his hand-picked successors seemed to have taken a MAJOR hit because of this WFE header item - but mostly because of the mass-ejection of nations.

Here's the irony - in order to cement his 'dictatorship' in The North Pacific, Pixiedance ejected massive numbers of nations. Puppets or not, it makes said UN Delegate look exactly like Great Bight in game-play technique. Such a technique draws the ire of everyone and such technique always brings down those who use it as a way to irritate other players.

Ironically, and using this whole issue as an example and not as a statement pertaining to any specific person, and as just a simple observation, a certain quote by Josef Stalin comes to mind pertaining to self-defeating strategies and tactics in politics (or everywhere else for that matter) - "Every man has a right to be stupid. Sometimes, people abuse that right".

A chosen delegate.The nation Pixidance may have been chosen...yes....but the player who now owns PD wasn't. He has the nation by legal means...yes. But lets not forget that Moldavi never earned the delegate position. Just wanted to clarify.