NationStates Jolt Archive

Remember awhile back, when I was having problems with my cousin getting access to my accounts? During the era when we couldn't change our passwords? She's back.

I'm going to let her use the Sarkarasa account for awhile, but at the same time I have made her agree not to try to get it in the UN. Won't stop her from posting in the forum and will keep me from having problems in one area.

Oh, she's also going through a phase where she misses Tokyo (she spent much of her childhood there), so don't be surprised if she uses Japanese from time to time or acts as though she doesn't know certain words in English. I figure this will help distract her from what she's missing or at least allow her a chance to deal with it creatively.

Edit: I meant to post this under Sarkarasa.

Curious ... why is it you feel your 'cousin' ought to be offered any more consideration than any other player on here?

I'd warrant, if she sticks to the rules, just like everyone is expected to, and doesn't use the language thing to try and get around them by flaming or insulting in non-English, she'll be just fine.

Is there some expected problem with her being held accountable like the rest of us are?

Curious ... why is it you feel your 'cousin' ought to be offered any more consideration than any other player on here?

I'd warrant, if she sticks to the rules, just like everyone is expected to, and doesn't use the language thing to try and get around them by flaming or insulting in non-English, she'll be just fine.

Is there some expected problem with her being held accountable like the rest of us are?


Just curious Dread, why do you feel you should answer a question that clearly is aimed @ a moderator? Maybe, we should let the mods answer. Just a suggestion. I mean your or my input is quite irrelevant. Only a moderator can answer this?

I believe Nathi was simply pointing out the error in your question to the mods, that's all, which can be of concern to the rest of us whom might feel your
"exception" is unfair.

Having already encountered this person (or persona, as the case may be) in #themodcave, I think I can safely say that your other nations are at risk. We had the somewhat bizarre report of one apparent puppet reporting on the illegal activities of a different puppet.

Ultimately, you are responsible for any activity that occurs under your own accounts. If Sarkarasa flames, Sarkarasa will be warned / banned / deleted as necessary. If 'she' uses one of your nations to do so, they will be judged as if you were sitting at the computer at the time. No special consideration can or should be given.

I advise you to disable autologin and change all your passwords if you are concerned. We cannot be held accountable if something happens.

~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Forum Moderator

Thanks Frisbeeteria, that certainly seems to clear that up.

That's why no one can answer the questions like the mods, cause we don't know, they do! :)

Why would you even "let" someone else use your nation anyway? There's just too much risk involved.

Very good question.

Curious ... why is it you feel your 'cousin' ought to be offered any more consideration than any other player on here?

I don't. At the same time, I don't want people to think I'm the one posting what she says. Unlike the confusion she caused last time. If she starts to break the rules, she's messing with one of my accounts. The mods can only ban and contact the ISP, while I can get her in trouble with her parents and make her life a living hell for the next twenty years. I'm not known for my ability to forgive.

Edit:

Why would you even "let" someone else use your nation anyway? There's just too much risk involved.

Simple: I'm tired of her moping, I got saddled with the job of dealing with her because I live the closest and her parents failed, and NS has been a fascination for her.

Oh, and Fris, that event I knew about when I logged on. the last time. I check my ISP logs and was not happy with her for bugging you over that.

Thanks Frisbeeteria, that certainly seems to clear that up.

That's why no one can answer the questions like the mods, cause we don't know, they do! :)
Let me clear up the policy:

If a player posts and explicitly requests a "Moderator only" response, then other players are required to stay out (unless they are somehow directly involved or accused). The idea is that a Mod is not always available, and general questions can sometimes be accurately answered by regular players who have spent some time around here and knows what the policy is.

If a player posts asking why a specific Moderator action was taken, then other players are required to stay out regardless of whether a "Mod only" response was explicitly requested. The idea is that the requested information is only available to a Moderator, so only a Moderator can correctly answer it.

I don't. At the same time, I don't want people to think I'm the one posting what she says.
Unfortunately, this is unavoidable. We can only trace login activity back to the computer involved. We must assume that one computer means one person, so if she causes trouble, we have to assume that you're the one who did it.

Please keep in mind that we cannot see you across the Internet, so we cannot distinguish between your situation and someone [i]claiming[i] your situation in an attempt to get away with making trouble.

We're sorry if this is inconvenient for you, but we cannot grant you any special consideration.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

Let me clear up the policy:

If a player posts and explicitly requests a "Moderator only" response, then other players are required to stay out

Oh I know that, it just seems that I see so many times players try to address questions and then a mod comes along and the player was wrong. (I'm sure you see it all the time) It seems to me that if some one posts in moderation, it's certainly implied they want a mod to answer. But thanks for the clarification Cog. :)

I just know that if I post some thing in moderation, I would like a mod to answer personally, not the peanut gallery, ya know. ;)

Just curious Dread, why do you feel you should answer a question that clearly is aimed @ a moderator? Maybe, we should let the mods answer. Just a suggestion. I mean your or my input is quite irrelevant. Only a moderator can answer this?

Just curious, Xanaz - is there a reason you felt you needed to dictate who is and isn't able to post in a thread, when it's been stated time and again Moderation posts, unless clearly noted otherwise, are open to anyone with something of content to post? For someone not interested in the 'peanut gallery', you seem to contribute now and then as well. Lots of us do.

There was nothing stating 'only mods answer' so it's fair game. I have respected those posts whenever I've seen them, thanks. As TH said, it was a question aimed at the reasons behind 'warning' the mods. It isn't as though I was speaking for them or stating policy in my post, after all. If you don't want other comments, state it. Simple as that, as stated and clarified by Cog, here:
If a player posts and explicitly requests a "Moderator only" response, then other players are required to stay out (unless they are somehow directly involved or accused). The idea is that a Mod is not always available, and general questions can sometimes be accurately answered by regular players who have spent some time around here and knows what the policy is.

Tiamat has since more than adequately answered said question, and I wish them the best of luck in having to deal with a difficult situation. Apologies if my tone came across less friendly than it could have - we've had a rash of folks lately who seem to think they deserve special consideration for one reason or other. I suppose it set off my 'that just ain't right' senses. Still, I'd lock up your nations tight, and make her create her own, regardless. *shrugs*

Just curious, Xanaz - is there a reason you felt you needed to dictate who is and isn't able to post in a thread, when it's been stated time and again Moderation posts, unless clearly noted otherwise, are open to anyone with something of content to post? For someone not interested in the 'peanut gallery', you seem to contribute now and then as well. Lots of us do.

Oh it was nothing personal Lady Dread..I have just seen you post as if you were a mod in many threads now. I just thought it would serve the board more if you didn't act like a mod. I have seen mods tell other players not to answer about policy questions. So while I do believe there is a place for players in moderation, you just probably shouldn't be talking about policy, given you're not a mod. That was my only concern. Nothing personal. :)

I have seen mods tell other players not to answer about policy questions. So while I do believe there is a place for players in moderation, you just probably shouldn't be talking about policy, given you're not a mod.
I'll have to check with the other Moderators, but I think it's okay for ordinary players to say something like "I saw a Mod post here [hyperlink] that the policy is...."

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

I'll have to check with the other Moderators, but I think it's okay for ordinary players to say something like "I saw a Mod post here [hyperlink] that the policy is...."

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

I'm pretty sure I seen Scolo tell a player not to discuss policy as they were not a mod. I will try to find you the link. It wasn't Lady Dread, but same difference, if Scolo said that. As said, I'll try to find the link.

Oh it was nothing personal Lady Dread..I have just seen you post as if you were a mod in many threads now. I just thought it would serve the board more if you didn't act like a mod. I have seen mods tell other players not to answer about policy questions. So while I do believe there is a place for players in moderation, you just probably shouldn't be talking about policy, given you're not a mod. That was my only concern. Nothing personal. :)

That could be considered borderline flamebait. You're basically calling DLN a mod wanna-be.

To be honest, Nathi commented on something that most here know and that Cog continued to point out. One computer is one person. Same with the UN situations. Nathi did not tell Tiamat what to do, nor did she come across in a way which implied that she had some sort of authority. She did, however, give a fair assessment and ask two reasonable questions about the author, which when answered, could provide more insight into his or her situation.

Oh, and you made it personal when you directed your semi-flamebait specifically to her. You being polite about it and posting a happy face at the end doesn't change what it is.

I'm pretty sure I seen Scolo tell a player not to discuss policy as they were not a mod. I will try to find you the link. It wasn't Lady Dread, but same difference, if Scolo said that. As said, I'll try to find the link.

She's not discussing policy, she's using common sense. Lets look back on her post:

1) She asked why this "cousin" ought to be placed in a higher regard than the rest of us. We are all treated the same here...so this is a fair question.

2) She said that if this "cousin" plays by the rules, she'll "be fine." If a nation plays NationStates by the rules, there is no problem, is there not?

3) She asked why this "cousin" should not be held accountable. Nations on NationStates are held accountable for what they post and do. Once again...this is a fair question.

Nowhere does Nathi try to dictate policy or enforce her interpretation of said policy.

wasn't nathi already part of the evil modconspiracy anyways? :p


*ducks*

Point. We are all Nathicana, anyway. ;)

*hides with CG*

That could be considered borderline flamebait. You're basically calling DLN a mod wanna-be.

Ok, that's a huge leap of logic. But I wouldn't want to ruffle the powers that be. I'll drop it.

Maybe this thread should be locked now....too many people this way too far...

Yeah, it seems like what needs to be said have been, and anything more will just escalate the tensions.

Ok, that's a huge leap of logic. But I wouldn't want to ruffle the powers that be. I'll drop it.

More like baby steps, Xanaz...

Lady Dread..I have just seen you post as if you were a mod in many threads now. I just thought it would serve the board more if you didn't act like a mod.

Anyhow...

Maybe this thread should be locked now....too many people this way too far...

Lol...while I'm not quite sure what "too many people this way too far" actually means, I'm going to assume from past experience that AMF knows what he's talking about and agree with him. The issue's pretty much over. I simply have a problem with people insulting others for successfully trying to help.

That could be considered borderline flamebait. You're basically calling DLN a mod wanna-be.
From the fact that he's trying to reassure her that it's nothing personal (and in the absence of any evidence or indications to the contrary), I do not believe that his post was flamebait, not even borderline flamebait.

Maybe this thread should be locked now....too many people [have taken] this way too far...
[Correction by myself.]

Agreed. iLock.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

I'm posting through lock because I think this is important ...I'll have to check with the other Moderators, but I think it's okay for ordinary players to say something like "I saw a Mod post here [hyperlink] that the policy is...."

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator
I don't think it's actual "set-in-stone" moderation policy, because we don't do "set-in-stone" stuff here. However, precedent is clear as can be.

I would never have been considered for mod-dom had I not frequently been helpful by cross-linking mod rulings. I frequently paraphrased widely known and recently-made rulings, and generally tried to be helpful ... not because I wanted to be a mod, but because I like doing so. I can point to ten or twenty other active moderation posters without a minute's thought, all of whom do exactly the same thing. I wasn't around when Hack, Tactical Grace, Cogitation, and others were modded, but my impression was that they were added for precisely this reason.

People who post helpful advice often help us cut down on our workload. If they start giving bad advice, I'll be right there telling them to back off and re-read the rules and stickies. If they gove good and useful advice, we frequently don't have to say a thing, as the issue resolves all by itself. Anything that helps people resolve their problems properly is a good thing, and totally welcome as far as I'm concerned.

~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Forum Moderator


[Standard Disclaimer: I'm not Automagfreek, Goobergunchia, Steel Butterfly, Dread Lady Nathicana, Tuesday Heights, or anyone else in clever disguise ... though I might someday become Cogitation.]

I would never have been considered for mod-dom had I not frequently been helpful by cross-linking mod rulings. I frequently paraphrased widely known and recently-made rulings, and generally tried to be helpful ... not because I wanted to be a mod, but because I like doing so. I can point to ten or twenty other active moderation posters without a minute's thought, all of whom do exactly the same thing. I wasn't around when Hack, Tactical Grace, Cogitation, and others were modded, but my impression was that they were added for precisely this reason.
Given that I did, indeed, become a Moderator in this very manner, I should have remembered this sooner.

This thread willl remain locked.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

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--The Jovial States of Cogitation