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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8595753&postcount=68

This has got to be some sort of Hijacking of a Thread, and then perhaps even quoting me out of context and not offering links to these quotes so I may refute them, in the Forum they should be discussed in?

Perhaps just a bit of baiting? If not, shall I respond in that Thread?

I promise I will use links to the posts so people may feel free to "go look" for themselves, instead of being taken out of context.

I really would not like to be accused of Hijacking a Thread and Posting Off-Topic.

Thanks,
Gaar

EDIT: I would also like NOT to be "quoted" without a link to the Source of the quote, please. It is getting a bit old, having people give me an opinion so they can argue with "me" about it.

Just wondering if it would be ok for me to do this type of thing...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8603116&postcount=104

Regards,
Gaar

Possible flaming / flamebaiting.

merely renounce your soul, or what you think you have as one. No problem.

I thought this endless "regards, Gaar" spam was dealt with?

I thought this endless "regards, Gaar" spam was dealt with?
Yes, I believe it was...

Perhaps you would like to inform us all just what that outcome was?

Regards,
Gaar

Urantia II, I have rendered judgement on your complaints. To quote;

Having reviewed this thread, I can happily say that no official warnings need to be handed out today.

However, there are certain matters which need to be adressed;

Urantia II, the very incidents you're complaining about seem to be direct responses to your own confrontational, belligerent attitude. Can it.

Straughn, falling to personal attacks against Urantia II makes nobody look very good - least of all yourself. Can it.

Both of you, if you cannot debate civilly I suggest you do not debate at all. If you are such annoyances to each other that it is unavoidable, Jolt does have an ignore feature.

~ Tsar the Mod.

If you wish to avoid being the subject of personal attacks, you really need to examine your debating style.

Furthermore, a discussion of the Federal review (or whatever it's called) would not be on-topic for this thread. If you wish to discuss it, you should make a new thread in which to do so.

I thought this endless "regards, Gaar" spam was dealt with?

Urantia II is free to post that if he wishes to. As a player, I believe it to be somewhat pointless and mildly irritating, given the fact that signatures are avaliable, but that is not a Moderation judgement.

~ Tsar the Mod.

Urantia II, I have rendered judgement on your complaints. To quote;



If you wish to avoid being the subject of personal attacks, you really need to examine your debating style.

Furthermore, a discussion of the Federal review (or whatever it's called) would not be on-topic for this thread. If you wish to discuss it, you should make a new thread in which to do so.



Urantia II is free to post that if he wishes to. As a player, I believe it to be somewhat pointless and mildly irritating, given the fact that signatures are avaliable, but that is not a Moderation judgement.

~ Tsar the Mod.

First mention of "Executive Orders" in the Thread...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8594638&postcount=40
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8594896&postcount=43
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8594950&postcount=44

My first response to "Executive Orders" in the Thread...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8595068&postcount=45

To which, this was the response...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8595176&postcount=47

And my answer...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8595375&postcount=55

And the response...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8595451&postcount=57

My answer...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8595469&postcount=59

The response...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8595563&postcount=61

My response...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8595615&postcount=62

The answer...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8595753&postcount=68
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8595843&postcount=71

My response...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8595869&postcount=72

The answers...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8595889&postcount=74
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8595892&postcount=75

My response...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8595941&postcount=79

The answer...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8603116&postcount=104
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8603159&postcount=105
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8603184&postcount=106
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8603196&postcount=107

My answer...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8603358&postcount=110

And the Moderator Ruling...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8603835&postcount=112

Having reviewed this thread, I can happily say that no official warnings need to be handed out today.

However, there are certain matters which need to be adressed;

Urantia II, the very incidents you're complaining about seem to be direct responses to your own confrontational, belligerent attitude. Can it.

Straughn, falling to personal attacks against Urantia II makes nobody look very good - least of all yourself. Can it.

Both of you, if you cannot debate civilly I suggest you do not debate at all. If you are such annoyances to each other that it is unavoidable, Jolt does have an ignore feature.

iUnlock.

~ Tsar the Mod. I have supplied all of the posts regarding the "incident" in question, in their sequential order.

Would you mind please pointing to the specific behavior, of mine, that you believe instigated this incident? I am interested in what I have "specifically" done to warrant the accusations you make, and what is it you would like me to "Can it", specifically, if you please.

Secondly, would you mind also pointing out how a discussion of "The Federal Register" is not pertinent to a discussion involving Presidential Orders, please?

I did not bring up the Subject and was merely correcting a point made by someone else, is that not allowed in a Debate? Why is it ok for them to discuss it until they have to support their assertion?

At first I was accused of "starting things" because I used CAPS to express myself at times. I have reduced that behavior significantly and am now wondering what behavior, specifically, I need to address now?

Please note, during the above discussion that, every time the discussion was directed at quoted from other Threads I asked to not discuss such things there, right?

So again, would a Moderator be good enough to explain to me what I am continuing to do wrong, so I may correct the behavior?

Regards,
Gaar

EDIT: So am I to believe it is also ok to quote someone for something they never said? And if not, why wasn't that addressed in all of this? I ask about it on more than one occassion.

You've received your answer, Urantia II, and it's pretty much the same answer that Cogitation gave you in earlier thread, and pretty much the same that I gave you in the thread before that. Nothing has changed in your style, and nothing has changed in our perception that your answers are snide, sarcastic, and confrontational.

Let's take an example from this thread, rather than the ones that Tsaraine has already read and ruled on:
I thought this endless "regards, Gaar" spam was dealt with?Yes, I believe it was...

Perhaps you would like to inform us all just what that outcome was?
Greater Wallachia asked a question that had been asked and commented on several times before, and each time you blew off the moderator response with some deflection or other rather than respond to the actual answer. In fact, reviewing Moderation posts, as well as the posts above, it appears that your principal response to any question is to toss a snide question back at the poster, occasionally with a direct or indirect ad hominem attack. The implication in the above post is that Greater Wallachia is either too stupid or too lazy to be able to turn up such a reference, or perhaps that such a reference does not exist and Greater Wallachia is stupid for even suggesting it.

Emotion isn't always obvious when reading text, but the reaction to your posts on this board should make it obvious to you that people are reading your responses and imagining the sarcasm in your every reply. Challenging someone's statement while implying that they are stupid or foolish (I don't have handy examples - you'll just have to accept that I have seen such) is likely to bring out that assumption.

You present an image of false politeness, revealing an underlying contempt of anyone who responds to you, and that is what we mean when we say "your own confrontational, belligerent attitude". If you still don't see this, then there is not a single thing to do to make you understand. You've certainly failed to understand it the last few dozen times that people have politely or impolitely expalined it to you. Why should this time be any different?

I feel certain that you will counter-post with another huge pile of quotes or topics, and I assure you that I have no interest in spending yet more hours analyzing your responses. Your threads in Moderation are no different from your threads in General, in that you insist on others proving to you something that you are blind to. That is why topics keep getting locked after you have received your answer. You are never satisfied with any ruling, and seem to think there is some moderator conspiracy to shut you up. It's simpler than that. We like to do other things in our lives than try to explain a rainbow to a blind man.

Since this has been explained to you multiple times, and you continue to raise the exact same questions, I'm going to henceforth assume that you do understand, and all these responses are simply trolling in an attempt to waste our time. As such, threads like this will simply be locked unanswered.

That is all.

~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Forum Moderator

You've received your answer, Urantia II, and it's pretty much the same answer that Cogitation gave you in earlier thread, and pretty much the same that I gave you in the thread before that. Nothing has changed in your style, and nothing has changed in our perception that your answers are snide, sarcastic, and confrontational.

Let's take an example from this thread, rather than the ones that Tsaraine has already read and ruled on:

Greater Wallachia asked a question that had been asked and commented on several times before, and each time you blew off the moderator response with some deflection or other rather than respond to the actual answer. In fact, reviewing Moderation posts, as well as the posts above, it appears that your principal response to any question is to toss a snide question back at the poster, occasionally with a direct or indirect ad hominem attack. The implication in the above post is that Greater Wallachia is either too stupid or too lazy to be able to turn up such a reference, or perhaps that such a reference does not exist and Greater Wallachia is stupid for even suggesting it.
Perhaps you could explain how asking someone to support their assertion is some type of "Ad Hominem"? The "assertion" was that I was told to no longer use the "Regards, Gaar", was it not?

Emotion isn't always obvious when reading text, but the reaction to your posts on this board should make it obvious to you that people are reading your responses and imagining the sarcasm in your every reply. Challenging someone's statement while implying that they are stupid or foolish (I don't have handy examples - you'll just have to accept that I have seen such) is likely to bring out that assumption.
I see people use much worse behavior here all off the time, and not get anything said to them because they do not step over the "Rules", so why am I different? People fight in these Threads all of the time, why are mine any different than those being had all of the time?

You present an image of false politeness, revealing an underlying contempt of anyone who responds to you, and that is what we mean when we say "your own confrontational, belligerent attitude". If you still don't see this, then there is not a single thing to do to make you understand. You've certainly failed to understand it the last few dozen times that people have politely or impolitely expalined it to you. Why should this time be any different?
So I am responsible for how people may take what I say? And yes, many people do take offense, just like I take offense to many of the things said to me... So why am I being singled out here?

I feel certain that you will counter-post with another huge pile of quotes or topics, and I assure you that I have no interest in spending yet more hours analyzing your responses. Your threads in Moderation are no different from your threads in General, in that you insist on others proving to you something that you are blind to. That is why topics keep getting locked after you have received your answer. You are never satisfied with any ruling, and seem to think there is some moderator conspiracy to shut you up. It's simpler than that. We like to do other things in our lives than try to explain a rainbow to a blind man.

Since this has been explained to you multiple times, and you continue to raise the exact same questions, I'm going to henceforth assume that you do understand, and all these responses are simply trolling in an attempt to waste our time. As such, threads like this will simply be locked unanswered.

That is all.

~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Forum Moderator
Yes, because when you fail to "address" all of MY concerns, that have been on this Moderator Forum for going on 3 weeks now, and yourself try to make "Ad Hominem" attacks on me rather than the specifics I have asked to have looked at, then you are merely "Ruling" on your own "opinion" rather than a well reasoned discussion on what has actually happened...

Why is it you think many of my outstanding Issues continue to not be addressed?

Shall I start another Thread with links to every Moderator discussion I have had and we can see just why some may say just what you are here?

Care to address my Issues, or just attack me for how I present myself here?

If there is something specific in my approach, I would surely like to know what it is, and if it is "in fact" a behavior that warrants attention, when that very behavior is exhibited by many more in these Forums than just me.

Again, I am just asking for the Moderation and Rulings to be issued in a just and equitable manner.

Regards,
Gaar

Care to address my Issues, or just attack me for how I present myself here?
Your issues ARE how you present yourself here. That's it. 100% of it. As has been explained multiple times. If you don't get that, it's no longer my problem or concern. Appeals may be sent to salusa@nationstates.net.

~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Forum Moderator