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I have no UN nation at this moment, because of after 2 days of waiting, it got rejected:

United Nations
Received: unknown Unforunately, after due consideration, the UN has been forced to reject your application to become a UN member. This is because your nation has the same e-mail address as another UN member country. You may only have one nation in the UN at any one time.

I accidentally made a double aplication, but I deleted the other one. I most certainly didn't had a UN nation at that moment. The UN might have a suspicion but never a reason to reject my aplication.

My puppet, which was created for that single purpose of directing UN influences away from my main nation, has become completely worthless. This is the fault of an extemely overzealous UN official. I did not multi, and I really want that puppet in yhe UN.

This post here has blew a perfect covert operation, and I am annoyed!

It even has spelling mistakes.
You took away my dignity, by changing my forumname, and now I am a suspected cheater too :headbang:

Simple answer, Re-apply. Was this double application for the same nation? I've never seen that before, but I have seen it where I had not resigned my other nation in time.

Simple answer, Re-apply. Was this double application for the same nation? I've never seen that before, but I have seen it where I had not resigned my other nation in time.

Those UN aplications were on different nations. This is what I did:

Day 1: I resigned from the UN.
Day 2: I aplied with the wrong Nation to the UN. A little later I aplied with the right nation.
Day 3: The first nation got accepted, but I didn't click the link. I deleted the email.
About 1 night's sleep later, the second nation got a rejection from the UN, stating that I already had a nation with the same email in the UN.

Right now I have no UN nation whatsoever, and I don't know wether to aply and waste another 2 days waiting, or aply with a new nation while the other nation was not in violation whatsoever. That nation might have a UN multi flag on it now.
I have done nothing wrong, so why should I suffer the consequences? Do we have to have a different email on each nation, to avoid confusion? I have no nation in the UN now.

Should have, could have, would have. I know it's too late now, but...

Should have accepted the email to the first nation, but resigned from the UN immediately before exiting the screen, thus the game knows that the nation is no longer in the UN. I think that I did that once, a very long time ago. Not sure if that still works or not, but if the calculation for UN elegiblity was made before you could resign the first nation, it still would register the first nation as being in the UN.

If you didn't click the link, then you weren't in the UN. But the system would check the emails and show them as the same, and therefore reject the 2nd nation.

I think all you need to do is have different emails on the nations, that way there will be no conflicts. But as long as you don't click the link, there's no UN Multiing. So you can reapply and be back on track.

And I'm not sure how your covert operation has been blown, since you never said the puppet's name....

If you didn't click the link, then you weren't in the UN. But the system would check the emails and show them as the same, and therefore reject the 2nd nation.

I think all you need to do is have different emails on the nations, that way there will be no conflicts. But as long as you don't click the link, there's no UN Multiing. So you can reapply and be back on track.

And I'm not sure how your covert operation has been blown, since you never said the puppet's name....

I didn't click the link, and immediately deleted the email.

If the cover is blown, shouldn't matter much. Nobody cares. Now everybody is gathering endorsements, and their leader is rejected for rules violations within the UN. If I was the invaders on the other side, I wouldn't stop laughing for a month :p

Should have, could have, would have. I know it's too late now, but...

Should have accepted the email to the first nation, but resigned from the UN immediately before exiting the screen, thus the game knows that the nation is no longer in the UN. I think that I did that once, a very long time ago. Not sure if that still works or not, but if the calculation for UN elegiblity was made before you could resign the first nation, it still would register the first nation as being in the UN.

I have discussed this before. It is okay to have as many aplications as you wish, as long as only one is accepted. I didn't even had the chance to accept 1. I got flatly rejected, while I have no nation in the UN. I always let a day between resigning with one nation, and aplying with another. Most of my nations have the same email, because multiple adresses has no point whatsoever, and mods always have told me that multying is not only determined by the email adress on the nation. I play this game for almost 2 years now. I know what I'm saying here.

And "No", I am not on a public computer.

I've gotten that msg before, and I was once a defender. It was when I applied to the UN with MANY nations. Sometimes I would accadentally keep the same e-mail for two, so I would have to change it. What you might do is start a new e-mail address (like at http://isnoop.net/gmail/ ) and it should not say anything.

You might want to look at your puppets and see if any are still in the UN, because that might be it too.


EDIT: and you can still get into the UN with that nation. Just change the e-mail address. But do be sure it is the only one in the UN.

I've gotten that msg before, and I was once a defender. It was when I applied to the UN with MANY nations. Sometimes I would accadentally keep the same e-mail for two, so I would have to change it. What you might do is start a new e-mail address (like at http://isnoop.net/gmail/ ) and it should not say anything.

You might want to look at your puppets and see if any are still in the UN, because that might be it too.


EDIT: and you can still get into the UN with that nation. Just change the e-mail address. But do be sure it is the only one in the UN.

I have a puppet which has all my nations in its dossier. I have checked, but I know exactly which of my nations have been in the UN.
I always thought that there was more than just an email adress to determine a UN multi. If I had another nation in the UN, the previous accidentally aplication wouldn't have been accepted either. I see no reason to switch email adresses, and rather like to know what a mod has to say about this. I don't want to speculate about game rules. This email has been sent to me because I violated an UN rule, and I like to know which rule and if I have a multi flag on my head now.

Carinthe']This email has been sent to me because I violated an UN rule, and I like to know which rule and if I have a multi flag on my head now.

No, it's been to sent to you because it's suspected that you might be a UN multi; that's quite a difference. There are more than just an e-mail address that determine UN multis. This is why it's suggested you wait 24 hours to apply for UN membership after resigning from the UN with another nation; this is a good buffer zone to make sure one e-mail address isn't associated with another nation.

No, it's been to sent to you because it's suspected that you might be a UN multi; that's quite a difference. There are more than just an e-mail address that determine UN multis. This is why it's suggested you wait 24 hours to apply for UN membership after resigning from the UN with another nation; this is a good buffer zone to make sure one e-mail address isn't associated with another nation.

This isn't getting anywhere. I waited 24 hours, aplied again with 2 nations, didn't accept one of them and the other one is rejected, because I was suddenly a multi. I didn't accept the email on the wrong nation, so it was never in the UN.

I have aplied again on the same email adress. I am not braking any rules, and email adresses are not conclusive for determining multies:

Your application to join the United Nations has been received. You will receive a telegram within the next 24 hours to inform you of the result.

You may call me stubborn, but I am not braking any rule here.

I waited 24 hours, aplied again with 2 nations, didn't accept one of them and the other one is rejected, because I was suddenly a multi. I didn't accept the email on the wrong nation, so it was never in the UN.

I understand that. I never said you broke the rules, you didn't, even though the telegram says you might. That's why it rejects you if you have the same e-mail address for two UN applied nations; it's a preventative measure, not a red flag measure.

I understand that. I never said you broke the rules, you didn't, even though the telegram says you might. That's why it rejects you if you have the same e-mail address for two UN applied nations; it's a preventative measure, not a red flag measure.

I guess we'll just have to see about that. I have aplied again, on the same email, since I can't have so many emails. If this is all just a little precaution, I should be accepted now, as there is only one aplication. If it gets rejected again, I'll have nothing left to do than demand that the unjustful ban is lifted. It 'hasn't come that far yet.

The "unjustful ban" is an automated system, Gothic Kitty. Nobody has singled you out to keep you out of the UN. Presumably somebody, somewhere is using that email for their UN nation. It ain't us.

You really might want to try a different email, and/or check your puppets again. You might also take a moment to think about who else in NS knows that email ... [/paranoia]

You might also take a moment to think about who else in NS knows that email ... [/paranoia]

To clarify slightly: As the email must be verified, no one else could be using it unless they also had access to your email account. If you still have problems in 24 hours time, send me an email from the account in question, and I'll take a look around.

To clarify slightly: As the email must be verified, no one else could be using it unless they also had access to your email account. If you still have problems in 24 hours time, send me an email from the account in question, and I'll take a look around.

That same puppet is rejected from this forum too. That is no big deal, but stil.......

I'll be reporting back when my next UN aplication comes in.

The puppet is now in the UN, and also accepted as member of this forum now.

It is still strange that my request for UN membership was rejected on email alone :confused:

United Nations
Received: unknown Congratulations!
The United Nations is pleased to invite The Colony of censored into our hallowed halls. An e-mail will be issued within the next few hours to the address you supplied: to confirm your acceptance of this great honor, simply follow the link it contains.

Note: occasionally an ISP thinks the UN e-mail is spam and blocks it. If you don't receive your e-mail within the next 24 hours, try changing your e-mail address to a different account (if possible) and re-applying.

Just because there are several ways of detecting multies, it doesn't mean there's any point of making it easier for them by for example letting the same email address be used for several UN nations. That would be giving up one method, wouldn't it?

Just because there are several ways of detecting multies, it doesn't mean there's any point of making it easier for them by for example letting the same email address be used for several UN nations. That would be giving up one method, wouldn't it?

I don't get it. Easier on who?
The same email adress has nothing to do with being a multi or not. One must never have more than one UN nation, period!

There are many people who tries to multi. The Mods have some ways to control and ensure this doesn't happen. One very basic safety precaution, which obviously even is built in the system, is to only allow one UN nation per email address, which includes applications for new UN nations.

The same email adress has nothing to do with being a multi or not.

Yes, it does. Many UN multis who don't know better use the same e-mail address, and sometimes, are able to get two UN nations on the same address. This has been proven time and time again.

Since e-mail addresses are one of four (I do believe) methods for sorting out UN multis, I'd say your statement is very much false. E-mail addys aren't the be all and end all of catching UN multis, but they're part of the chase.

Yes, it does. Many UN multis who don't know better use the same e-mail address, and sometimes, are able to get two UN nations on the same address. This has been proven time and time again.

Since e-mail addresses are one of four (I do believe) methods for sorting out UN multis, I'd say your statement is very much false. E-mail addys aren't the be all and end all of catching UN multis, but they're part of the chase.

So if all bankrobbers use faul language, drive a car and play Nationstates, I better don't do either of that, or I could become suspect of a bankrobbery? :p

Ps. It is me, Carinthe to lazy to switch nations.

The initial problem haveing been resolved, closing this topic.