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"If a man sleeps with a man as he would with a woman, then both those men should be put to death."

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8519692&postcount=6

"So G-d wants us, to rehabilitate them if possible...and if not, then kill them. ^^;"

No, I don't think "religion" is an excuse for this sort of discourse.

Neither do I. They call themselves religious? They are acting like Nazis.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8519920&postcount=15

"If a man sleeps with a man as he would with a woman, then both those men should be put to death."

How familiar are you with the Bible? Because that part you posted in quotation marks is a quote from that book. He was backing up what he said with the religious source he got it from.

Edit: Found it! Leviticus 20:13. What he posted is a version translated into plain English.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8519692&postcount=6

"So G-d wants us, to rehabilitate them if possible...and if not, then kill them. ^^;"

No, I don't think "religion" is an excuse for this sort of discourse.

On that I agree with you.

The first was a direct quote, the second was a slighty sarcastic interpretation of the passage. I doubt they actually do advocate putting homosexuals to death.

The first was a direct quote, the second was a slighty sarcastic interpretation of the passage. I doubt they actually do advocate putting homosexuals to death.

They could have put more signs of that in. As it stands, it's too easily interpreted as serious.

Dose this debate even belong in the mod forum?

This isn't the actual debate, this is a question of whether or not a statement made in the debate is legally allowed on the forums, hence, it's a moderation topic.

ahh i see i thought this was a mis guided post


well I do take offence to that some what since I go both ways and leaning more towards the other side (that is the gay side), but it’s a few forum how ever he might have over stepped the boundaries a bit , but that’s up to the mods for now I think it should be looked over at least

The first was a direct quote, the second was a slighty sarcastic interpretation of the passage. I doubt they actually do advocate putting homosexuals to death.MuhOre jokes about genociding homosexuals a lot... I'm gonna support this being allowed, since I once got warned for making fun of idiots too often.* I did it in full realization that what's funny but semi-offensive once quickly becomes just annoying/giving someone a reason to call you out, but decided I couldn't resist. Making slight variations on a semi-offensive joke should be permitted, because I enjoy doing so and having permission benefits me.


*In particular, someone (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=401444) called Kahta a Cocksucker & a Homophobe in the same post, and I quoted it, said I agreed (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8324431&postcount=45) that he was a cocksucking homophobe, and added a rolleye. This received a verbal (non-official) warning (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8324609&postcount=48).

well, it's offensive, and probably flame bait. A mod should be around soon to judge the case and if I am correct, deleate the posts and/or warn the user.

How familiar are you with the Bible? Because that part you posted in quotation marks is a quote from that book. He was backing up what he said with the religious source he got it from.

Edit: Found it! Leviticus 20:13. What he posted is a version translated into plain English.

I know it's paraphrasing the Bible. That's not the issue.

What I am asking with this mod request is how far can you use religion as an excuse for something like this? I mean, if somebody were to use other books or other ideologies to promote such things, I doubt that there would be as much lenience shown as I've seen shown toward religion.

Is religion an excuse for something like this, and would I for instance be allowed to spread such a sentiment against other people, say jews or "infidels", if I could find a religious or other ideological text that supports it?

It's obvious those two people are wrong. Sure, they can quote The Bible. Woo-oo. I worship God and go to mass every Sunday, but I don't believe The Bible word for word. I think it was written (PARTIALLY) by some crazy monks, who don't like homosexualism, or had much respect for women.

I'm not a supporter of homosexualism, but I know what's right and what's wrong.

Btw, this smiley is hilarious. :fluffle:

IWould I for instance be allowed to spread such a sentiment against other people, say jews or "infidels", if I could find a religious or other ideological text that supports it?Yes. You'd be flamed for it heavily, like they are. People would report you to a moderator, like is done here. But you could do it. It would be within your rights to state your position, however idiotic and hackeneyed.

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I know it's paraphrasing the Bible. That's not the issue.

What I am asking with this mod request is how far can you use religion as an excuse for something like this? I mean, if somebody were to use other books or other ideologies to promote such things, I doubt that there would be as much lenience shown as I've seen shown toward religion.

Is religion an excuse for something like this, and would I for instance be allowed to spread such a sentiment against other people, say jews or "infidels", if I could find a religious or other ideological text that supports it?

The Catholic Church used it as an excuse on at least four occasions for committing genocide. The Salem Witch Trials used it as an excuse for a class revolt against the rich that resulted in too many innocent women being executed just because of their wealth. Even Hitler used it to further his own goals. If people can use religion as an excuse for killing people they don't like and get thousands to buy it, I doubt that using it to spread hatred is really beyond the realm of possibility. And, I think you would be allowed to do so on this site, up to a point.

It's obvious those two people are wrong. Sure, they can quote The Bible. Woo-oo. I worship God and go to mass every Sunday, but I don't believe The Bible word for word. I think it was written (PARTIALLY) by some crazy monks, who don't like homosexualism, or had much respect for women.

I'm not a supporter of homosexualism, but I know what's right and what's wrong.

Btw, this smiley is hilarious. :fluffle:

Actually, one theory about Peter's hatred of women is that he was a homosexual.

My favorite issue is Sodom. People keep claiming it was destroyed because of homosexuality, and yet sexuality wasn't even mentioned in the Bible as one of the reasons. That is one of the mental rewrites that has led some of us to wonder exactly how like the original the current editions are.

The argument here isn't on whether Christianity does or does not believe in killing homosexuals. Said argument should be reserved for the general forums (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=1227).

The problem that should be adressed is free speech. I'm an advocate of free speech as an advocate I believe that JRV, or whoever else posted his ideology, is given a right to post said personal belief sets, whether or not they agree with yours. JRV is not directly insulting anyone, he's speaking in broad generalizations. Consequently, I don't see his posts as flamebait, just his beliefs. On that premise I don't see anything wrong with his posts, although I do personally disagree with what he's saying.

JRV is not directly insulting anyone, he's speaking in broad generalizations.
Nope. He managed to directly insult someone.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8526236&postcount=80

Sorry about reviving a day old topic with a warning, but it obviously needed to be addressed.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/frisbeeteria/modedit.jpg This was an inaccurate decision, and has been rescinded. No warnings issued.

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Nope. He managed to directly insult someone.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8526236&postcount=80

Sorry about reviving a day old topic with a warning, but it obviously needed to be addressed.
Fris, could you check back on that thread?
I see a post that is actually by somebody nake "OMG yoorgai" that actually does say all that stuff, I've linked to it in my post on the thread in the thread that was in response to yours.

I'm confused about that whole thing.

My mistake, didn't see that.

My mistake, didn't see that.
No, MY mistake.

I screwed up, and read a quote of a quote as the original. The warning has been rescinded, and apologies made in thread. Apologies here as well to all readers.

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