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Okay, throughout history of Western Europe we have been threatened with invasion and invaded and had our regions natives booted out by a few nasty invaders. This has most recently happened again and without a founder we are not capable of preventing them from screwing with our region. Many of us natives of WE don't really care a whole lot on UN or the region, we just have our nations there because its a requirement, but then again, we like to have control over our region so we can let the public of WE decide on UN resolutions and be able to tell the public information on how to get into our off-board Rp.

So what i am asking here is that Brabant States (of Western Europe) be made Founder of the region Western Europe. He is a very Sr member of the region and long standing delegate, he has been delegate since before those day counting things for Delegates came about, so this shows he has been long since supported by not only off-board forum members, but non-forum members of Western Europe aswell. We just simply want control of our region back and no longer have to worry about threats from invaders anymore.

Heres what our most recent invaders have done to make sure they retain grip on our region.
Any natives with more endorsements than the delegate, or a threatening amount will be ejected, and unbanned immediately.

I agree entirely.

I would like to second the request from Svalvard. I'm a native of Western Europe (heck - I've even got a diseased named after me in our Forums!) and having control of the NS Region out of our control will place a serious impediment to our role-playing and general fun in the off-site forum.

There are two major reasons for this:

1. The NS region is our 'front door' to our Forum. It allows us to be found by others, the message board gives people a chance to chat with us a bit, and it gives us a place for friendly banter in a public area, which hopefully will be inviting to those thinking about joining us.

2. We base several things in our Forum on the NS stats of the player's nations. Therefore the requirement that all active members in the Forum also be in the Western Europe NS Region. By bringing all of our nations there, we can easily find each other and check out things like Population, budget spending, and economic level - all of which play a very major role in our RPing. If we have to hunt everyone down in the entire NS world, such things would be very difficult; as it is, at worst we have to search through 100 or so nations if a person's Forum name is different than their NS name.

While I realize that Moderators are hesitant about doing this, I would like to ask the Team to consider it in our case.

There are also several other long time natives that would be accepted by the majority to be the new Founder if putting forth just one name would be an issue.

And I as well agree, Brabant States has served us as only a founder would, should, and could.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=407034
Here is a recent discussion, quite detailed, might I add, about why the moderators are hesitant on putting a Delegate into the Founder status. I suggest that you check that out.

While I realize that Moderators are hesitant about doing this, I would like to ask the Team to consider it in our case.

The moderators don't make any sort of special request, they treat each case such as this, equally.

What are we to do?

We should have our allies in the Western Europe in Exile try to get back into WE so we can get more endorsements!

Moderators only replae founders in dire cases.

I am currently with teh task force defending "Western Europe". Your region will be retaken. The delegate must be more careful to prevent invasions them.

I am not a moderator

What are we to do?

We should have our allies in the Western Europe in Exile try to get back into WE so we can get more endorsements!
That is what we are working on.

The delegate must be more careful to prevent invasions them.

Well, ideally what we want is to get the old Delegate to be made Founder, and then turn off the Delegate's access to the Region's controls.

We don't have many UN members for a reason: we use our NS stats to base some of our RPing on, most importantly our Military Points used to purchase armies in our off-site forum, and being in the UN messes that up (forces your defense budget down, palying havok with your economic rating, etc). As long as the Delegate has access to the Region's controls, the only real defense we can have would be to have everyone create puppets and have them join the UN (without breaking the 1 UN member rule, of course!) and parking them in the region.

But, truly, thanks for all your help in getting our region back!

My apologies if I manage to screw up this post, this forum is unfamiliar to me.
First, I agree with both Svalvard's suggestion, and Illuve's suggestion.
Actually, I'd agree with any suggestion that involves us not having to worry about getting invaded. The thing is, our play style and the apparent play style of the rest of Nationstates appears to be incompatible. We just want to be left in peace so that we can RP on our forums and use our region board as a place to chat and to point potential players to the forum. It seems to me that the rest of Nationstates is frothing at the mouth about this "invaders/defenders" thing, and frankly, the only reason I care that someone has taken over the region is that, like Illuve said, we need it to attract new players.
I would like to note however, that in the near year that I have been on Nationstates, this is the first time WE has actually been invaded, and the willingness of the Mods to listen to our case is extremely heartening.
Viva WE!

Another native, I also would agree to Brabrant being our founder.


Off topic: Hahaha, I have ten times as many posts as JK here.

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Offtopic posts split to http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=407747

I'm from the region of Allied Islands and was wondering if you guys would like help getting your region back?
Someone send the password to The Armed Republic of Mister Moose, and UN members in my region will come over help you guys out, then we'll leave in peace. Sound Good?

congratulations on your independence! :D

I'm sorry, but I must protest on Western Europe getting a new founder. I understand Role Play, but I think raiders should also have rights on invading. Since there is no "official" binding rules (not getting into this debate again, just making a statement) on which regions we can and can't raid on. How come everytime almost when a "big" Invasion goes down in NS, the mods come bulging in during or after the raid, and make it nearly impossible to raid that region again (I.E. Japan (new founder), China (same), and more recently Lazarus (taking away ejection powers of the delegate) )?

So please look at the whole perspective of this before naming a founder. If you are naming one.

So please look at the whole perspective of this before naming a founder. If you are naming one.
http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=western_europe

I see a new Delegate elected one day ago. Where do you see a new founder?
(I.E. Japan (new founder), China (same), and more recently Lazarus (taking away ejection powers of the delegate)
Lazarus is a special region. The ability to ban could prevent legitimate nation resurrections from taking place. It's a game mechanics issue, and was decided by the admins. It has nothing to do with moderator interference

As for China and Japan, Hack already addressed that (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8562578&postcount=101) quite thoroughly. They were not new founders, the original founder put in a request to be resurrected. I'm guessing they were contacted by natives of the region and asked to come back to help out the region. I'm not saying the timing wasn't convenient, only that it wasn't moderators who made the request or commanded the nation.

If you're going to attack us for 'bulging in', at least get your facts straight first.

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=western_europe

I see a new Delegate elected one day ago. Where do you see a new founder?

I didn't say a new delegate, I'm just stating that "if" you decide to put a new founder in. Look on all sides of the sphere.

Lazarus is a special region. The ability to ban could prevent legitimate nation resurrections from taking place. It's a game mechanics issue, and was decided by the admins. It has nothing to do with moderator interference

I see that this "could" be a problem, but I thought once a nation ceased to exist that nation would be taken off the bann list. So what would be the hitch. Unless I'm overseeing something again.




If you're going to attack us for 'bulging in', at least get your facts straight first.

Thank You, I need that slap in the face there. I'm going off emotions sometimes, and don't always look before I act. Though I recognize it is your job to come in and straighten things out. Though sometimes I just see it as to convientant right at the spur of the moment to have things changed right in the middle of a power change.

I thought once a nation ceased to exist that nation would be taken off the bann list. So what would be the hitch. Unless I'm overseeing something again.
That's an assumption that I don't think anyone has tested. The only way to do it would be for Testlandia to be recreated and nations banned, bombed, and rezzed. Given all the processes involved, I think Salusa and [violet] just decided to treat it as the special game region it is and remove the ban function.

I also seem to recall that when Testlandia was Founder, Delegate controls were entirely turned off. All things considered, Lazarus is more in the hands of the Delegate than it used to be. Seems like that would be more a call for celebration of independence from the Admins and Mods than it would be a case of mod interference.