NationStates Jolt Archive

I've got a question as to whether or not a particular threat to action by a Regional Delegate is allowed:

The NS Region Western Europe has been hijacked by the DEN Military HQ, and the new UN Delegate is now The Confederacy of Absinthe and Opium. The World Factbook entry has been changed and includes the following line:

Any natives with more endorsements than the delegate, or a threatening amount will be ejected, and unbanned immediately.

Given the wording of the threat, it's clear that the UN Delegate isn't a native of Western Europe. Are natives allowed to be treated in this manner? Are we required to essentially hijack our Region back?

The previous UN Delegate was The Dutch Kindgom of Brabant States, who has been booted and is now (perhaps was since I'm chatting with him ATM) in the Rejected Realms.

Normally, I wouldn't care too much about the Region being hijacked since all the 'action' takes place on an off-site forum, but we do require all active members there to be in the Region. As we use our NS stats to base several things that effect our role-play on, it's very convenient to have all the nations in one place, plus the region board is often used for friendly banter and the like.

So, are we natives being treated unfairly here, or can something be done about this?

An invader delegate can eject a native nation provided it is unbanned immediately and provided with the password for the region.

In other words, as long as the Invader Delegate unbans the native, or gives him the password, he can be expelled for any or no reason?

Our old (native) UN Delegate was just expelled for having more endorsements than the Invader Delegate, and then unbanned. How often can he do this?

It seems to me that, after a while, the wishes of the natives to be able to play NS in peace should weigh more strongly than the invaders desire to keep hold of a region they care nothing about other than as a trophey.

In other words, as long as the Invader Delegate unbans the native, or gives him the password, he can be expelled for any or no reason?

Our old (native) UN Delegate was just expelled for having more endorsements than the Invader Delegate, and then unbanned. How often can he do this?

It seems to me that, after a while, the wishes of the natives to be able to play NS in peace should weigh more strongly than the invaders desire to keep hold of a region they care nothing about other than as a trophey.
It's the rules.

In other words, as long as the Invader Delegate unbans the native, or gives him the password, he can be expelled for any or no reason?

Our old (native) UN Delegate was just expelled for having more endorsements than the Invader Delegate, and then unbanned. How often can he do this?

It seems to me that, after a while, the wishes of the natives to be able to play NS in peace should weigh more strongly than the invaders desire to keep hold of a region they care nothing about other than as a trophey.

Ejecting-and-unbanning a small fraction of natives is legal. Ejecting-and-unbanning many natives or ejecting-and-banning any natives is illegal. If he's threatening to eject-and-unban many natives or if he's threatening to eject-and-ban any native, then that's literally threatening to violate NationStates rules. Threatening to violate NationStates rules is, itself, a violation of NationStates rules.

If at any point the invader delegate threatens to break the rules, report it through the Getting Help Page in my signature. Similarly, if the invader delegate ejects a larger portion of the natives of the region, that itself is breaking the rules, and should be reported to the Getting Help Page as well.

Just what is considered a 'larger portion' of the natives? All the UN Members?

And what would be considered 'natives'?

Because of how the UN effects the NS stats of the nations, and these stats are used to base our RP on, many of us aren't members of the UN. However, many of us have RP in off-site forums that have a rule about requiring those players to be in the NS region in order to RP there. This means several of us hold puppets to allow us to RP in multiple forums, and at times they will 'park' them in the Western Europe region.

Are these puppets considered to be seperate natives for this, or are all the puppets of one real-life person considered to be one native?

(Yes - we are aware of the rule limiting each person to just one UN member; these puppets aren't UN members.)

Well, in old times, I think they used to do It by percentage. But basically, I think it depends on what the moderator handling the case decides is a large proportion. And by that it means any native, regardless of whether it is part of the UN or not..

I believe Natives can be defined as nations that are in the region before the invader delegate gains the delegacy (- not including spys of the invading force.)

And as far as I know, (But I'm not certain) Natives are only those that are in the region, when the invasion takes place, not including puppets.

I'm sure theres a huge section on these rules under Moderation on the forum. probably a sticky.

Hope that helps :)