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You mind if I use your thread instead of starting another one?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8444671&postcount=39

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You mind if I use your thread instead of starting another one?
Actually, yes I do mind. Shared threads are fine for routine maintenence like thread moves, but each flaming / trolling case is different. Let's do separate threads.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8444787&postcount=45

I wasn't gonna report him, but now that he has been, well...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8445049&postcount=57

I have posted my reponse offsite at the earth v forum.
Since site etiquette does not permit me to post it here.

You mind if I use your thread instead of starting another one?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8444671&postcount=39
what do I think of you?

http://s9.invisionfree.com/Earth_IV/index.php?showtopic=1

what do I think of you?

http://s9.invisionfree.com/Earth_IV/index.php?showtopic=1Doesn't this constitute as posting something offensive to another player? Sdarijij whatever can't debate this rather... awkward opinion.

Doesn't this constitute as posting something offensive to another player? Sdarijij whatever can't debate this rather... awkward opinion.
posting a link?

posting a link?
Using this forum to post a link to a flame is the same thing as posting the flame here, Whittier.

Whittier-, this entire thread is trolling, and you've crossed the line into flaming with this post. Since this particular incarnation of your nation appears to have a clean record, I'm merely going to lock this thread. Next one will be an official warning and a mod discussion on Whittier's future participation in the NationStates forums.
You may now consider phase 2 of my prior warning to have been activated. You should have quit while I was still being polite.

~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Forum Moderator

Due to the fact that I have been made to feel very uncomfortable and am constantly harrassed by the anti-american posters in general, and the fact that everytime I post something it gets labeled as trolling, not to mention that everytime I say something it gets taken out of context.
Since, correct me if I'm wrong, everytime I've come into your sights, its been because of something in General. Now I'm pretty patient person. But patience has limits when people are disrespecting your experience as both a soldier and a politician. The people who post in general have been extremely rude to me and deserved retaliation. However, I didn't mean to cause any problems.
But since the problems come from my posting of my views in General, and I as a person am not respected and my country is despised for no just reason what ever on that forum, I shall forthwith cease to post on General.
Call it a boycott if you want. But I am ignoring everyone there, and I have absolutely no respect for them either. R being a two way street. Those who refuse to give to me, should not expect from me.
I'm sure they will grow eventually and realize the errors of their ways and realize their conspiracy theories are just that: conspiracy theories.

Understandably, the people who are saying bad things about you aren't being very civil; however, responding to them in the way that you have is no better. The best thing you can do is to move on, and not respond to their taunts. Posting such a thing about someone else in NS, on another forum is the cheapest form of breaking a rule, and expecting to not get in trouble for it isn't the smartest thing.

Does this post not count as flaming:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8449282&postcount=493

Understandably, the people who are saying bad things about you aren't being very civil; however, responding to them in the way that you have is no better. The best thing you can do is to move on, and not respond to their taunts. Posting such a thing about someone else in NS, on another forum is the cheapest form of breaking a rule, and expecting to not get in trouble for it isn't the smartest thing.
If I understand Fris. correctly, I didn't get in trouble for posting it on another forum. I got in trouble for posting the link to it.

If I understand Fris. correctly, I didn't get in trouble for posting it on another forum. I got in trouble for posting the link to it.
Exactly what I meant.

Understandably, the people who are saying bad things about you aren't being very civil; however, responding to them in the way that you have is no better. The best thing you can do is to move on, and not respond to their taunts. Posting such a thing about someone else in NS, on another forum is the cheapest form of breaking a rule, and expecting to not get in trouble for it isn't the smartest thing.

If I understand Fris. correctly, I didn't get in trouble for posting it on another forum. I got in trouble for posting the link to it.

That's how I understood it. You're welcome to say all the mean-spirited things about me in your private life, but when you posted that link about me here, it was the same as if you'd posted those words themselves.

ok, if we agree on that, what happens if we simply deat the link.

the mods did rule we were free to do what we want on other sites cause they can't hold us to account for it. Problem is when we link to it from here as Fris. said.

iLock pending a response from Frisbeeteria.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Due to the fact that I have been made to feel very uncomfortable and am constantly harrassed by the anti-american posters in general, and the fact that everytime I post something it gets labeled as trolling, not to mention that everytime I say something it gets taken out of context.
There are lots of Americans who post here regularly, and I'm sure many of them don't care for the anti-American tenor of many of the posts here. By the same token, there are lots of pro-American posts that come across very negatively to others. Despite that, the vast majority of posters somehow manage to make their opinions known without trolling and flaming their opponents. I'll grant you, it's not always the easiest thing to keep a civil tongue while rebutting a position you despise, but it can be done.

It's not just opponents who call those posts trolling, Whittier. It's obvious to most readers where you stand, and you make blanket statements that you can't back up. While I believe you honestly hold those opinions, you don't have to use inflammatory phrasing to make your points. We have rules on this site, and you've broken them. With this latest cross-posting to an insult on your own forum, you pushed the limits too far. You knew I had ruled, yet you still chose to push.
The people who post in general have been extremely rude to me and deserved retaliation.
This is the source of your problem on NationStates, in my opinion. Retaliation is not acceptable practice here. If you have a problem, you may either suck it up or bring it to Moderation. Striking out directly is against the rules of this site. You also have prior history of this same behavior which cost you your original nation of Whittier, and that is also a factor in this decision.
ok, if we agree on that, what happens if we simply deat the link.
That's kindergarten attitude, Whittier. You should know better than to even make that suggestion. You put it out there, and you can't take it back. It's no different than someone posting links to porn and then deleting them after it was reported. You broke the rules, and they stay broken even if you try to repair them.

After extensive discussion with other mods, I am instituting a one week forum ban on Whittier-. You are not to evade this ban by continuing to post with puppets. If you have active roleplays, they'll just have to wait. Upon your return, I suggest you take your own advice and stay out of General. Unless you can make a sea change in your attitude, your posting style will lead you to yet another deletion.


~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Moderator Team

Does this post not count as flaming:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8449282&postcount=493
Yes, I believe it does. I'll deal with that separately.

1.Its not that I can't back up the statements its that the people opposing them have a clear case of cognitive desonance. For exampe on the thread on gay marriages. I said the California Constitution had been changed to ban gay marriage and I was called a liar by some people who have never been involved in the California political process. Any one who has ever heard of Proposition 22 which was passed in the last Presidential election, would know that it banned gay marriage in California. When I am insulted by some person from Mass or connecticut or some foreign nation who has never even set foot in California nor ever been in the know on what happens politically in California, and that person wants to claim I don't know what I'm talking about, I get offended. I have the credentials to talk the facts about California politics whereas they don't.

2. " ok, if we agree on that, what happens if we simply deat the link."
I am sorry but I think there was a misundertanding. What I was doing was admitting I was wrong. As I've already said I shouldn't have put that link up.

3. I had no puppets at the time this ban was imposed. Though I did make a couple afterward. I did comply with the ban if you check your logs. Though some people kept trying to get me go around them. One such person was deated, I notice. However, one should not go around the rules unless there is an absolute emergency which in the case of NS, there couldn't possibly be any such emergencies.

4. I will continue to boycott the general forum, the reason not needing restatement. However, I reserve the right to say whatever I want about those anti american liberals on my sites or those of people I communicate or talk to. As I have during the ban. Though, don't expect any links to them. The last one was a slip. Actually, I'll just be posting my opinions off site since, it seems to me and to a lot of other people, that my views are not welcome in General.

5. "Yes, I believe it does. I'll deal with that separately."
At least you're consistent in your rulings.

Ya know, this has me thinking...

Is there some way I can put the General forum on my Ignore list? It's obvious that my opinions are unpopular and that many other posters get out their Fundie B Gone whenever I express an opinion that is contrary to the popular anti-religious sentiment. And then there is the general bigotry against Americans/Texans and the obvious implicit assumption in many posts that being of said heritage means that I must be homophobic, racist, or sexist. As such, I think it best that I not waste my time in General any further either.

Ya know, this has me thinking...

Is there some way I can put the General forum on my Ignore list? It's obvious that my opinions are unpopular and that many other posters get out their Fundie B Gone whenever I express an opinion that is contrary to the popular anti-religious sentiment. And then there is the general bigotry against Americans/Texans and the obvious implicit assumption in many posts that being of said heritage means that I must be homophobic, racist, or sexist. As such, I think it best that I not waste my time in General any further either.

Thats too bad. I hope you reconsider, the balance in General is out of synch. Americans are not the angels the propaganda would have you believe, but niether are they the devils that they are castigated for being in some circles.

i have noticed this same thing. i have been staying out of the serious topics on general ever since someone calls me an old white man with a yellowed KKK hood and a long list of crossburnings under my belt on MSN, for things i said on general. and NOTHING could be further from the truth. i was also ambushed by several canadians on a war thread...

Thats too bad. I hope you reconsider, the balance in General is out of synch. Americans are not the angels the propaganda would have you believe, but niether are they the devils that they are castigated for being in some circles.

I appreciate that. :) I've been trying to bring more balance to General for a long time, even to the point of intentionally taking positions that I personally disagree with in order to make the point that those positions are not entirely without merit. I just don't think I can handle it anymore. At the very least I need a nice long break from General.

i have noticed this same thing. i have been staying out of the serious topics on general ever since someone calls me an old white man with a yellowed KKK hood and a long list of crossburnings under my belt on MSN, for things i said on general. and NOTHING could be further from the truth. i was also ambushed by several canadians on a war thread...

That's a good point. I suppose I could just stay out of the so-called "serious topics" and stick with the Paradise Club and more light-hearted discussion thread. On the other hand, if I go in General at all I'll be more tempted to join one of those "serious topics". *sigh*

i have noticed this same thing. i have been staying out of the serious topics on general ever since someone calls me an old white man with a yellowed KKK hood and a long list of crossburnings under my belt on MSN, for things i said on general. and NOTHING could be further from the truth. i was also ambushed by several canadians on a war thread...


Ah yes, we Canadians love the ambush:) This is what happens though when a nation forgets that there was a time when it was a peace maker and instead believes in peace keeping. Apologies from the north.

Ah yes, we Canadians love the ambush:) This is what happens though when a nation forgets that there was a time when it was a peace maker and instead believes in peace keeping. Apologies from the north.
that was more than nice of you. :)
upon further inspection of me...you will soon figure out i dont require apologies, because of my iron clad soul :D
but that was wicked awesome of you, thanks again!

That's a good point. I suppose I could just stay out of the so-called "serious topics" and stick with the Paradise Club and more light-hearted discussion thread. On the other hand, if I go in General at all I'll be more tempted to join one of those "serious topics". *sigh*
overcoming temptation is actually more fun than it sounds. i also took a cue from Lunatic Goofballs. enter a serious thread, and make a humorous (yet non spam-troll-hijack) offbeat comment about the topic, then leave. i have seen this stop arguments , more than a few times.

i have noticed this same thing. i have been staying out of the serious topics on general ever since someone calls me an old white man with a yellowed KKK hood and a long list of crossburnings under my belt on MSN, for things i said on general. and NOTHING could be further from the truth. i was also ambushed by several canadians on a war thread...
same here. I have been called racist, homophobic, dumb american, you name it.
funny thing is, I'm not any of those things.

I hate to say this, but ... take this conversation to General. The moderation aspect of this is over, and this isn't a discussion forum.

There is, as far as I know, no way to ban or Ignore General. Even if you managed to blacklist the index page, you could still link to topics from other forums.

Gonna close this now.