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Urantia II

11-03-2005, 06:40

You are out of line here, and attempting to bait Pantera.
Knock it off.

So perhaps you would be kind enough to explain to me how my post was some sort of "bait" to Pantera and these posts aren't "bait" towards me...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8408312#post8408312

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8408358#post8408358

I would definitely like to know what it is I did that was not done in a more extreme way towards ME with those posts...

And I don't see any warning towards him, why is that?

Regards,
Gaar

Sdaeriji

11-03-2005, 06:41

So perhaps you would be kind enough to explain to me how my post was some sort of "bait" to Pantera and these posts aren't "bait" towards me...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8408312#post8408312

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8408358#post8408358

I would definitely like to know what it is I did that was not done in a more extreme way towards ME with those posts...

And I don't see any warning towards him, why is that?

Regards,
Gaar

Maybe because you didn't report them? The moderators aren't omniscient, you know.

Urantia II

11-03-2005, 06:47

Maybe because you didn't report them? The moderators aren't omniscient, you know.

I am actually wondering how pointing out the ACTIONS that can be taken against him for what he has admitted to in this forum is "baiting" him in some manner?

Perhaps that could be explained to me as well?

Regards,
Gaar

Sdaeriji

11-03-2005, 06:52

I am actually wondering how pointing out the ACTIONS that can be taken against him for what he has admitted to in this forum is "baiting" him in some manner?

Perhaps that could be explained to me as well?

Regards,
Gaar

Because you're clearing doing so in a manner designed to intice him to respond in such a way that would get him in trouble. It's called flamebaiting, when you attempt to get someone to respond to you with flames. It's just as much against the rules as flaming itself is.

Urantia II

11-03-2005, 06:57

Because you're clearing doing so in a manner designed to intice him to respond in such a way that would get him in trouble. It's called flamebaiting, when you attempt to get someone to respond to you with flames. It's just as much against the rules as flaming itself is.

So let me get this straight...

He would get in trouble for coming back and telling me I was wrong and that nothing has happened to him?

And so I am in trouble, even though what I have said MAY be true and it may very well have happened?

I am serious with this question, please explain...

I mean, I can see how if I suggest that something that is not likely or even impossible to happen could be interpreted as such, but saying something that may likely happen is not the same as saying something just to rouse someone, is it?

Why am I not able to discuss what MAY happen to someone for doing exactly what he has ADMITTED to in this thread?

Please, I would really like to know.

Regards,
Gaar

Sdaeriji

11-03-2005, 07:01

So let me get this straight...

He would get in trouble for coming back and telling me I was wrong and that nothing has happened to him?

And so I am in trouble, even though what I have said MAY be true and it may very well have happened?

I am serious with this question, please explain...

I mean, I can see how if I suggest that something that is not likely or even impossible to happen could be interpreted as such, but saying something that may likely happen is not the same as saying something just to rouse someone, is it?

Why am I not able to discuss what MAY happen to someone for doing exactly what he has ADMITTED to in this thread?

Please, I would really like to know.

Regards,
Gaar

Stop feigning ignorance; it's very unbecoming. It's not the content of what you posted, it was the intent. It was very clear that you were posting in a manner designed to anger Pantera and hopefully get him to respond with flaming.

That. Is. Flamebait.

Nationalist Valhalla

11-03-2005, 07:03

Potaria

11-03-2005, 07:05

Urantia II

11-03-2005, 07:06

Stop feigning ignorance; it's very unbecoming. It's not the content of what you posted, it was the intent. It was very clear that you were posting in a manner designed to anger Pantera and hopefully get him to respond with flaming.

That. Is. Flamebait.

I'm sorry, I really wasn't...

But if some have taken it that way I apologize.

It was just "my way" of pointing out what may happen to someone for exactly what he has admitted to doing.

And might I add, that I am pretty sure that if a Moderator here has witnessed someone ADMITTING to committing a Felony, they are OBLIDGED to REPORT that Person to Authorities.

Regards,
Gaar

Sdaeriji

11-03-2005, 07:06

He was acting like a snotty turd.

And this is what we like to call "flaming." Mild, childish flaming, but flaming nonetheless.

UpwardThrust

11-03-2005, 07:07

You should've seen his flamebait in the "What's Wrong With Capitalism?" topic. He was acting like a snotty turd.
Dont start with it yourself ... keep it to a higher level

Potaria

11-03-2005, 07:08

And might I add, that I am pretty sure that if a Moderator here has witnessed someone ADMITTING to committing a Felony, they are OBLIDGED to REPORT that Person to Authorities.

You know, you'd come off as a much nicer person if you'd tone it down a bit. It sounds like you've got some huge issues.

Sdaeriji

11-03-2005, 07:09

And might I add, that I am pretty sure that if a Moderator here has witnessed someone ADMITTING to committing a Felony, they are OBLIDGED to REPORT that Person to Authorities.

No more so than you are.

Urantia II

11-03-2005, 07:09

And this is what we like to call "flaming." Mild, childish flaming, but flaming nonetheless.

I wonder if we are going to see a "Public Warning" for these?

Or the next one he has already posted?!?!

Regards,
Gaar

Potaria

11-03-2005, 07:10

And this is what we like to call "flaming." Mild, childish flaming, but flaming nonetheless.

Yeah, but then again I'm still pissed off at what he did.

Urantia II

11-03-2005, 07:10

No more so than you are.

Actually, much more so...

Since they have access or can point the act to someone who HAS access to their personal "Information"...

I do not.

Regards,
Gaar

UpwardThrust

11-03-2005, 07:12

I'm sorry, I really wasn't...

But if some have taken it that way I apologize.

It was just "my way" of pointing out what may happen to someone for exactly what he has admitted to doing.

And might I add, that I am pretty sure that if a Moderator here has witnessed someone ADMITTING to committing a Felony, they are OBLIDGED to REPORT that Person to Authorities.

Regards,
Gaar
Nope ... they dont (not legaly) in fact a lot of people here are not even within the united states and are not held to our felonly laws

Sdaeriji

11-03-2005, 07:12

I wonder if we are going to see a "Public Warning" for these?

Or the next one he has already posted?!?!

Regards,
Gaar

Listen, if you've got a problem with it, go report him in Moderation. Be sure to have links to the thread and the individual posts ready. The only reason you got warned, I expect, is because Katganistan came and read the thread of her own volition and then saw your rule-breaking. If you've got a problem, go solve it, but don't expect the Moderators to be all-knowing and respond to each incident of flaming in the entire forum. You're getting far too worked up about an unofficial warning.

Nationalist Valhalla

11-03-2005, 07:13

Yeah, but then again I'm still pissed off at what he did.well if you're short on ignore cannons, my nation will lend you a few for such occasions... i often forget to use them, but i do maintain a signifigant stategic stockpile just incase.

Sdaeriji

11-03-2005, 07:14

Actually, much more so...

Since they have access or can point the act to someone who HAS access to their personal "Information"...

I do not.

Regards,
Gaar

This has been repeatedly discussed in the past. The Moderators are no more legally responsible to report crimes that occur in the United States or any other country that are discussed here than you or I are.

Potaria

11-03-2005, 07:15

Yeah, I'm gonna ignore him now. But I doubt I'll get moderated, since he started the whole thing with some really weird posts.

I mean, I've not seen such unnecessary aggressiveness since my days on the PC Gamer forums.

Urantia II

11-03-2005, 07:17

Listen, if you've got a problem with it, go report him in Moderation. Be sure to have links to the thread and the individual posts ready. The only reason you got warned, I expect, is because Katganistan came and read the thread of her own volition and then saw your rule-breaking. If you've got a problem, go solve it, but don't expect the Moderators to be all-knowing and respond to each incident of flaming in the entire forum. You're getting far too worked up about an unofficial warning.

I have seen PLENTY of threads with Moderators participating that have MUCH WORSE things said with NO WARNINGS given, that is why I am asking.

I just want to see a bit of consistency from the Moderators is all.

I didn't REPORT what happened because I see it happen ALL the TIME with Moderators in the thread.

It isn't hard to find examples, if that is what you would like me to do...

Regards,
Gaar

Sdaeriji

11-03-2005, 07:19

UpwardThrust

11-03-2005, 07:21

I have seen PLENTY of threads with Moderators participating that have MUCH WORSE things said with NO WARNINGS given, that is why I am asking.

I just want to see a bit of consistency from the Moderators is all.

I didn't REPORT what happened because I see it happen ALL the TIME with Moderators in the thread.

It isn't hard to find examples, if that is what you would like me to do...

Regards,
Gaar

Dude it was an INFORMAL warning ... no actions were taking whatsoever ... it is the same thing any of us would have done to ANYONE we saw doing the same thing (infact we both did) she was posting it as she saw it and just gave you a frendly warning so you stoped before you got to the point she had to take direct action

if you would prefer not having such a nice warning and had the axe droped on you without warning feel free to partition for such ... I would rather have the frendly reminder (we all get pissed over something and have to have a frendly reminder that we are starting to go to far) it is easier to do that early then late

deal

Urantia II

11-03-2005, 07:38

Yes, find examples. Find examples of worse flamebaiting than your little blurb where the moderators were fully aware of said flamebaiting but no warning was given. I'd like to see how you can prove they knew about it but did nothing.

Ok how about we just "skip" the "middle man" and go right to posts of the Mods, would that work for you?

I'll even start with the Mod that warned me...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8390986#post8390986

Doesn't that fit the description of "bait" that you just gave me?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8378180#post8378180

Or this one with her "critique" of another poster? She doesn't expect him/her to reply to such insinuations?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8378102#post8378102

Same with that one?

And I found those on just the first 2 pages of her post History.

Shall I go on?

Regards,
Gaar

Bitchkitten

11-03-2005, 07:40

Get a grip, guys. :rolleyes:

Sdaeriji

11-03-2005, 07:43

Urantia II

11-03-2005, 07:44

Go for it. Continue.

Perhaps you could explain how it is ok for them to do such things but not for us, before I do?

Regards,
Gaar

Sdaeriji

11-03-2005, 07:46

Perhaps you could explain how it is ok for them to do such things but not for us, before I do?

Regards,
Gaar

No, you seem perfectly able to believe whatever the hell you feel like no matter what anyone else says to the contrary, so why don't you tell me why it's "ok for them to do such things"?

Salvondia

11-03-2005, 07:47

Perhaps you could explain how it is ok for them to do such things but not for us, before I do?

Regards,
Gaar

Mods are hypocritical jackasses? It seems to be a constant theme on just about all forums.

Neo-Anarchists

11-03-2005, 07:50

Mods are hypocritical jackasses? It seems to be a constant theme on just about all forums.
If you were calling the mods jackasses, it would seem like this thread was one of the worst places to do it as I'm fairly sure this thread will get mod attention due to what the current arguement is about...

Just a thought.

Urantia II

11-03-2005, 07:53

No, you seem perfectly able to believe whatever the hell you feel like no matter what anyone else says to the contrary, so why don't you tell me why it's "ok for them to do such things"?

I didn't say it was. I was pointing out the behavior that YOU say is "bait" from the very Mod that warned me...

And you can't tell me why it is ok for them to do such things but not ok for me.

What is there for ME to explain to you?

I have heard it said that, as long as you are making a point in your post then you are free to do a bit of snide remarks to help make that point. You just aren’t supposed to insult people or cuss without making a point. I have even seen the Moderators do as much and therefore I thought it to be the rule. I have even pointed out where a Mod HAS done such, so isn't it up to you or the Mod’s to explain where it is I have stepped over some boundary that they themselves have not?

Regards,
Gaar

Salvondia

11-03-2005, 08:02

If you were calling the mods jackasses, it would seem like this thread was one of the worst places to do it as I'm fairly sure this thread will get mod attention due to what the current arguement is about...

Just a thought.

Wouldn't the best place be the place where they will read it? should I type it in white, hidden in code through multiple posts? Never.

Urantia II

11-03-2005, 08:09

UpwardThrust

11-03-2005, 08:11

Neo-Anarchists

11-03-2005, 08:18

Wouldn't the best place be the place where they will read it? should I type it in white, hidden in code through multiple posts? Never.
Umm, it *is* a bit of a bad idea to flame the mods themselves...

Salvondia

11-03-2005, 08:31

Umm, it *is* a bit of a bad idea to flame the mods themselves...

hey if they're not hypocrites, great. If they are, they shouldn't be mods. I have personally noted a trend that most mods on most web forums are pretty much as bad as any of the people they censor. If that is going to be considered a direct flame of any particular mod they are rather paranoid.

Katganistan

11-03-2005, 13:25

So perhaps you would be kind enough to explain to me how my post was some sort of "bait" to Pantera and these posts aren't "bait" towards me...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8408312#post8408312

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8408358#post8408358

I would definitely like to know what it is I did that was not done in a more extreme way towards ME with those posts...

And I don't see any warning towards him, why is that?

Regards,
Gaar\

HE is not suggestiung without proof that YOU have been arrested.
You also have spent QUITE a bit of time in here criticizing him, characterizing him as trying to be macho -- in other words, YOU are making it personal.

So stop.

Katganistan

11-03-2005, 14:07

Ok how about we just "skip" the "middle man" and go right to posts of the Mods, would that work for you?

I'll even start with the Mod that warned me...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8390986#post8390986

Doesn't that fit the description of "bait" that you just gave me?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8378180#post8378180

Or this one with her "critique" of another poster? She doesn't expect him/her to reply to such insinuations?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8378102#post8378102

Same with that one?

And I found those on just the first 2 pages of her post History.

Shall I go on?

Regards,
Gaar

Classic misdirection. You have suggested that someone has been arrested without proof, which would fall under our 'malicious' clause. I issued an unofficial warning, as others here have pointed out, but you'd rather point fingers everywhere else in order to 'prove' that you are, in fact, correct for flamebaiting. The unofficial warning was discussed with other moderators before I issued it, if you must know -- and they agreed that you were out of line.

Regarding your previous beef with Pantera: the fact is that you did NOT complain of the previous thread problems with Pantera. We are not omniscient. By all means, report him in moderation, and we'll review and take care of it as necessary. Following him around the forum and sniping at him is not the correct action to take.

There are certainly many well-known avenues for people to protest had they felt maligned in any way. (Curious that they have not protested, neh?) There is a Moderation forum. The next is #themodcave, on irc.esper.net. The last is an appeal to the administration, at Salusa@nationstates.net.

By all means, if you feel that my telling you to stop announcing that Pantera is in jail and awaiting a bailbondsman is an abuse of power, please report it.

Katganistan

11-03-2005, 16:52

LOL you pointed out links to HIS thread and expected anything said in there to not be some form of bickering (btw dont get the flaimbate feel rather an intamate knoledge ... the thread creator is on the 3rd name that I know of now and propably with all three accounts has more posts then any two of us put togeather ... lets just say we have a history)

Either way I did not get the flamebate feal from it as well (which is why we have people interpret laws yet)

You'll also notice that Skapedroe did not take offense, and in fact did answer my observation that he could get his point across more effectively with less florid language. He and I have spoken on this subject from before I was a Mod, and in all of his previous incarnations.

Odd, that.

Katganistan

11-03-2005, 16:58

Mods are hypocritical jackasses? It seems to be a constant theme on just about all forums.

:fluffle: You seem to need a hug. :)

UpwardThrust

11-03-2005, 17:01

You'll also notice that Skapedroe did not take offense, and in fact did answer my observation that he could get his point across more effectively with less florid language. He and I have spoken on this subject from before I was a Mod, and in all of his previous incarnations.

Odd, that.
And you were right :) he defiantly could get his point across to more people by being smarter on language choice ... people react certain ways to certain stimuli ... he has a tendency to hit people wrong with his language choice and shut them down to listening to the rest of his point

UpwardThrust

11-03-2005, 17:02

:fluffle: You seem to need a hug. :)
:fluffle: :fluffle: (one for each of you)

Urantia II

11-03-2005, 19:39

Classic misdirection. You have suggested that someone has been arrested without proof, which would fall under our 'malicious' clause. I issued an unofficial warning, as others here have pointed out, but you'd rather point fingers everywhere else in order to 'prove' that you are, in fact, correct for flamebaiting. The unofficial warning was discussed with other moderators before I issued it, if you must know -- and they agreed that you were out of line.

No actually, I have asked why it was flaim bait, for which you have ONLY NOW explained to me.

Regarding your previous beef with Pantera: the fact is that you did NOT complain of the previous thread problems with Pantera. We are not omniscient. By all means, report him in moderation, and we'll review and take care of it as necessary. Following him around the forum and sniping at him is not the correct action to take.

First off, it wasn't Pantera it was Potaria, or whatever his name is and I DID Report a post that I found most offensive early yesterday and have yet to see ANY action. Why would that be you suppose? And it is HE that followed ME to a couple of Forums, not the other way around.

And this was my first thread posting to Pantera, so I have not "follwed around" anyone, as you have suggested.

There are certainly many well-known avenues for people to protest had they felt maligned in any way. (Curious that they have not protested, neh?) There is a Moderation forum. The next is #themodcave, on irc.esper.net. The last is an appeal to the administration, at Salusa@nationstates.net.

By all means, if you feel that my telling you to stop announcing that Pantera is in jail and awaiting a bailbondsman is an abuse of power, please report it.

No I don't, I just wished you would have explained earlier...

It was not my intent to "flaim" or "bait" anyone, as I said earlier. Again, all I believed I was doing was pointing out what COULD happen to someone that HAD DONE exactly what HE SAID he did.

I'm sorry that others took that wrong and I will know in the future to "dress" my point in a manner that isn't "baiting" someone.

So a last question to YOU would be...

Had I only said that a person who had done what was done could suffer the consequences that I described, without saying that it was Pantera who was suffering them, would that have been acceptable?

Again, this is a sincere question because I would like to understand how far it is we can go to make our points around here, given the manner in which I have seen it done on MANY of the threads.

Regards,
Gaar

Urantia II

11-03-2005, 19:42

UpwardThrust

11-03-2005, 19:45

So if the person being "flamed" doesn't take offense it is alright?
More so this is the normal discourse with him … that is how you have to communicate for him to understand. Whereas neither of you have established what is norm for you … there is a big difference (it is like joking around with an old friend or joking around with a stranger … the two parties and the intent mean as much to how it is perceived as content does)

Urantia II

11-03-2005, 19:48

More so this is the normal discourse with him … that is how you have to communicate for him to understand. Whereas neither of you have established what is norm for you … there is a big difference (it is like joking around with an old friend or joking around with a stranger … the two parties and the intent mean as much to how it is perceived as content does)

How does this work in a Forum that SHOULD remain consistent in its handling of such incidents?

Others are able to READ what is said, not just the two participating in the discussion. Are WE not to look at their behavior, especially given one is a Mod, and judge from that what may be acceptable?

Regards,
Gaar

UpwardThrust

11-03-2005, 19:57

How does this work in a Forum that SHOULD remain consistent in its handling of such incidents?

Others are able to READ what is said, not just the two participating in the discussion. Are WE not to look at their behavior, especially given one is a Mod, and judge from that what may be acceptable?

Regards,
Gaar
But acceptable behavior changes between thoes discussing ... it is a fluid thing there is no way to set rigid controls same reason human interpretation in law is still allowed

Get over it it was an informal warning now lets get back to topic ... if you wish start your own thread on mod behavior

Katganistan

11-03-2005, 20:05

...back to topic ... if you wish start your own thread on mod behavior

Agreed. Once I get home, I think I'll split out the off topic discussion so it can stand on its own without drawing attention away from Pantera's original topic.

Urantia II

11-03-2005, 20:08

Get over it it was an informal warning now lets get back to topic ... if you wish start your own thread on mod behavior

No thanks.

It is not my intent to question anyone’s behavior, beyond understanding so as not to commit offenses in the future.

My intent is not to "flame" anyone, but it IS to have MY SAY on subjects I choose to respond to, and I wouldn't mind being able to say it in the manner in which the Board seems to be accustomed.

But if there is a "grey" area that needs to be understood, where SOME are allowed to post in certain manners while others are not, I would like to understand it so that I give the AUTHORITIES around here no reason to "Take Action against me" because I didn't understand the subtleties of the acceptable Forum behavior.

I'm sorry if my questioning has disturbed you in some manner.

Regards,
Gaar

UpwardThrust

11-03-2005, 20:08

Agreed. Once I get home, I think I'll split out the off topic discussion so it can stand on its own without drawing attention away from Pantera's original topic.
:) good I was woried I would get in trouble for sounding like a mod without permission :p

Anyways I am curious to see what happened but atlass the problem with internet forums ... usualy dont hear about it till the poster comes back :)

Urantia II

11-03-2005, 20:10

Agreed. Once I get home, I think I'll split out the off topic discussion so it can stand on its own without drawing attention away from Pantera's original topic.

Again Kat...

Can I ask my question WITHOUT using Pantera as the subject?

Because I WOULD like the point to be made.

Regards,
Gaar

Katganistan

11-03-2005, 21:03

Urantia, I do not understand what you are trying to get at.
I have explained that your post falls under the malicious clause of our TOS.

It appears that there are a number of possibilities here. The first is that you honestly do not understand what I and other posters have been trying to communicate to you: that an unfounded accusation that someone is awaiting bail is substantially different from an observation that one's ideas are being lost in one's writing style. If you cannot understand that, then there is absolutely no point in continuing the discussion, because there is a fault either in our communication skills or in your ability to understand.

Another possibility is that you are feigning ignorance in an attempt to 'make the point' that anything could be considered a flame, and that therefore anything one posts should be ok.

A third possibility is that you are trying to deflect attention from your behavior by implying that I have behaved badly and therefore have not the moral authority to ask you to stop. This is what is known as the Ad Hominem logical fallacy.

A fourth possibility, though I would like to think it a very distant one, is that the continued repetition of this question might be intended to provoke some kind of emotional and badly-thought-out reaction from me, proving in some way that moderators in general and I in particular are hypocritical and have not the moral authority to ask posters to stop making personal attacks on other posters. That would fall under the category of flamebaiting, or, as I stated in relation to the Pantera case, 'making it personal'.

In any of those cases, I can see no point in continuing this discussion myself as we appear to be at an impasse. Do feel free to ask another moderator, though.

UpwardThrust

11-03-2005, 21:06

Urantia, I do not understand what you are trying to get at.
-snip-
We love ya :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: (not for the specific coment just thought you might need a fluffle or two just incase :) )

Urantia II

11-03-2005, 21:12

Urantia, I do not understand what you are trying to get at.
I have explained that your post falls under the malicious clause of our TOS.

It appears that there are a number of possibilities here. The first is that you honestly do not understand what I and other posters have been trying to communicate to you: that an unfounded accusation that someone is awaiting bail is substantially different from an observation that one's ideas are being lost in one's writing style. If you cannot understand that, then there is absolutely no point in continuing the discussion, because there is a fault either in our communication skills or in your ability to understand.

Actually I believe that it is you that hasn't understood my question...

If I was just to state that, if a person was actually caught by the Authorities commiting the actions that Pantera has admitted to without using Pantera as my "example", would that be within the boundaries of what is acceptable?

In other words, if I simple stated that the consequences to such actions, if caught, would be such and such without involving Pantera at all in the example, would it be acceptable here? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Is there something about that question you don't understand?

Regards,
Gaar

Katganistan

11-03-2005, 22:04

If I was just to state that, if a person was actually caught by the Authorities commiting the actions that Pantera has admitted to without using Pantera as my "example", would that be within the boundaries of what is acceptable?

Something is missing from what you are asking me, which is why I do not understand you.

"if a person was actually caught by the authorities committing the actions Pantera has admitted to, would that be within the boundaries of what is acceptable" does not make sense.

Do you mean "Would this hypothethical person's actions be acceptable?"

Do you mean, "If I had stated that a hypothetical person who was caught by the authorities for committing $actions would likely face $consequences, would that be ok?" In that case, the answer would most likely be yesdependant upon the context.

That is, though, not what happened in this case. In this case, the context was that a personal attack was made over several posts; the first in which another poster was characterized as 'macho', and then several posts later in implying that the poster had been jailed simply because the poster had not responded.

I observe that "A simple yes or no will suffice," and "Is there something in that question you do not understand?" could be construed as an implication of lack of intelligence, especially taken in the context of other posts you have made in this thread -- again, "making it personal."

Urantia II

11-03-2005, 22:08

I observe that "A simple yes or no will suffice," and "Is there something in that question you do not understand?" could be construed as an implication of lack of intelligence, especially taken in the context of other posts you have made in this thread -- again, "making it personal."

Couldn't the same thing be "observed" of the several different "reasons" you cited as to why I myself may not have or had deliberately been asking my questions of you earlier, that you made in your post?

So again please, why is it ok for YOU to question such things but not ok for me?

Regards,
Gaar

Urantia II

11-03-2005, 22:15

Do you mean, "If I had stated that a hypothetical person who was caught by the authorities for committing $actions would likely face $consequences, would that be ok?" In that case, the answer would most likely be yesdependant upon the context.

That is, though, not what happened in this case. In this case, the context was that a personal attack was made over several posts; the first in which another poster was characterized as 'macho', and then several posts later in implying that the poster had been jailed simply because the poster had not responded.

And yes Kat this answered my question, and I thank you.

You are correct in how it was "represented" over several posts, but I hesitate at seeing "macho" as anything all that offensive, given the other language that is present here on a daily basis, some of which has been directed at myself and I have reported it and "seen" no action.

But I will not allow myself to do such things in the future and would only hope that you continue to apply such discipline in an equal an equitable manner.

Thank you for your time.

Regards,
Gaar

Cogitation

11-03-2005, 22:40

Split operation complete. I will review these topics when I have time.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Urantia II

11-03-2005, 22:45

Split operation complete. I will review these topics when I have time.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Thank you Cogitation.

I am particularly interested in the several times that I have asked about someones response, in this thread, to me being "flaim bait" and yet being the only one "called" on such behavior.

Several times I have pointed out how someone elses response to me is exactly what they are telling me is "flaim bait", so I am hard pressed seeing where the difference lies...

Thanks again for your time.

Regards,
Gaar

Urantia II

24-03-2005, 06:05

Still no Ruling here...

And then we have THIS happening in a Thread that I have Reported, SEVERAL TIMES...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8514190&postcount=571

I will bet if I were posting such things like Cat-Tribes has been in this Thread I would have been sanctioned in some manner by now...

Regards,
Gaar

Neo-Anarchists

24-03-2005, 06:11

Still no Ruling here...

And then we have THIS happening in a Thread that I have Reported, SEVERAL TIMES...
Umm, where are these reports?
This contains links to every thread you have posted in in the Moderation forum(or at least it should, if the link works):
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/search.php?searchid=268355

Frisbeeteria

24-03-2005, 06:13

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8514190&postcount=571
There is absolutely nothing actionable about this post. She's calling your posting style trolling, and in a very polite manner, I might add. She's not trolling, she's not flaming, and I don't consider that flamebait. What exactly is your complaint?

Urantia II

24-03-2005, 06:15

Umm, where are these reports?
This contains links to every thread you have posted in in the Moderation forum(or at least it should, if the link works):
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/search.php?searchid=268355

I used the little red icon in the lower left...

I assume that contacts a Moderator about the post that I am reporting, does it not?

I don't necessarily HAVE to come here EVERY TIME I want to give the Mods a heads up, do I?

If so, I wish someone would have told me sooner...

Regards,
Gaar

Urantia II

24-03-2005, 06:18

There is absolutely nothing actionable about this post. She's calling your posting style trolling, and in a very polite manner, I might add. She's not trolling, she's not flaming, and I don't consider that flamebait. What exactly is your complaint?

Those posts are in response to HIS (it's a HE by the way) OFF TOPIC Posts in this thread...

Do I need to go back and post how it has all started? I don't recall you only commenting on just the ONE POST the last time, you actually went back to get context, did you not?

Again, if someone were complaining about me doing such a thing in a Thread THEY STARTED I am SURE YOU would be telling me I am posting Off Topic and trolling, would you not?

Or am I allowed to do such things in other peoples Threads? Cause I am sure I have seen people warned about such things before.

Regards,
Gaar

Urantia II

24-03-2005, 06:26

There is absolutely nothing actionable about this post. She's calling your posting style trolling, and in a very polite manner, I might add. She's not trolling, she's not flaming, and I don't consider that flamebait. What exactly is your complaint?

Actually, I believe YOU have even WARNED ME about using Caps and asking a question after a statement being "Flame Bait", did you not? (Asking because I would like a response).

And so how would what YOU warned me about be any different (actually I consider what I have pointed out to be worse, but that is MY opinion) from what I have pointed out here?

Regards,
Gaar

Frisbeeteria

24-03-2005, 06:29

I used the little red icon in the lower left...
Those do not go to NationStates mods. I have no idea where they go. We have a moderation forum for moderation of NationStates. Yes, they all go here.
Those posts are in response to HIS (it's a HE by the way) OFF TOPIC Posts in this thread...
That's post #571 in a thread that's probably gotten even longer by now. I've read plenty in that topic, even ruled in it as you pointed out, and it seems to me that you are determined to control the nature of every response in that thread. General doesn't work that way. The vast majority of the posts that I read are in fact only minor topic drift, not thread hijacking as you seem to claim in about every other post. It's also 12:23 PM here, and I have to get up at 06:00, and I have no desire to spend my precious sleep time analysing 570 + posts for every perceived injustice you might have suffered.

Am I going to warn The Cat-Tribe for topic hijacking? No, I am not. If you have other specific complaints, you can post them here. Somebody else may get around to reviewing it.

Urantia II

24-03-2005, 06:35

Those do not go to NationStates mods. I have no idea where they go. We have a moderation forum for moderation of NationStates. Yes, they all go here.

That's post #571 in a thread that's probably gotten even longer by now. I've read plenty in that topic, even ruled in it as you pointed out, and it seems to me that you are determined to control the nature of every response in that thread. General doesn't work that way. The vast majority of the posts that I read are in fact only minor topic drift, not thread hijacking as you seem to claim in about every other post. It's also 12:23 PM here, and I have to get up at 06:00, and I have no desire to spend my precious sleep time analysing 570 + posts for every perceived injustice you might have suffered.

Am I going to warn The Cat-Tribe for topic hijacking? No, I am not. If you have other specific complaints, you can post them here. Somebody else may get around to reviewing it.

Control? NO, I was merely asking that something completely off-Topic be asked to discontinue... As has been requested of me before.

Again, I just would like to have others be required to follow the same decorum that I have been requested to follow.

It's also good to know that those other reports are not recognized, I'll make sure I come here to report all such posts in the future, perhaps I should link to THIS Thread...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8513163&postcount=556
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8506488&postcount=528
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8506879&postcount=539
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8498774&postcount=450
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8506676&postcount=93
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8506710&postcount=99
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8506290&postcount=77
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8506199&postcount=76
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8506054&postcount=74

Regards,
Gaar

Komokom

24-03-2005, 06:42

Those do not go to NationStates mods. I have no idea where they go.Get alerts sent to Jolt Mods / Admin, I think. Who as you know, no touch-ee NS stuffs, and NS no touch-ee Jolt stuffs. So if you push'em on an NS locale post, feck all will be done, I'm afraid.

( Though I bet it would be nice for chance to fob off some of the more gritty stuff for others to have to take care of now and again, heh heh heh ... )

Urantia II

24-03-2005, 07:15

The vast majority of the posts that I read are in fact only minor topic drift, not thread hijacking as you seem to claim in about every other post.

You wouldn't mind pointing to even ONE Post I have made claiming Hijacking, would you? Shouldn't be too hard, given your claim I have done it in "about every other post"...

What I HAVE claimed is that they "change the Subject" being discusssed in order to not have to address a direct question, not claiming they are hijacking the Thread at all, just trying to get them to address an Issue that they just "skipped" over, is there a problem with that? That isn't claiming "hijacking", is it?

When I wish to claim hijacking I do it outright, as I have done here.

EDIT: And you WILL find ONE I did, just before I came here to ask for some help in stopping it, which you denied.

Regards,
Gaar

The Most Glorious Hack

24-03-2005, 10:40

Get alerts sent to Jolt Mods / Admin, I think.

Actually, it magically sends a report to my Junk mailbox.

Urantia II

29-03-2005, 22:27

Gawdly

29-03-2005, 22:43

Since this is the only Thread I have that remains "unlocked" in Moderation I decided to use it, instead of making yet another Thread, to "bump" my Issues in Moderation...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=407432
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=407709

Thank you for your time.

Regards,
Gaar

I believe the following is neither flamebait nor trolling...just some friendly advice from an old man.

Dude...it's a game.
Dude...it's a message board.
Get over it already.

DISCLAIMER: I am NOT a Moderator, nor have I ever consumated a relationship with them.

Urantia II

29-03-2005, 22:48

I believe the following is neither flamebait nor trolling...just some friendly advice from an old man.

Dude...it's a game.
Dude...it's a message board.
Get over it already.

DISCLAIMER: I am NOT a Moderator, nor have I ever consumated a relationship with them.

I understand, but there are open Issues there I wouldn't mind having addressed.

And I believe I also have a right to bump my Issues once every 24 hours here, and so since this is the first time I have done it in the over 2 weeks some have been here, I would hardly say that I am not being patient, would you?

Like I said, I am allowed to bump my Issues here, and this is the first time. So I would appreciate it if I could just have it be just that and not turn into a "berate Urantia II" Thread, like so many others become for my simply asking a question.

Otherwise, I believe they will just close this Thread too and I will have to make a new one every time I want to bump my Issues.

Regards,
Gaar

Urantia II

31-03-2005, 04:01

*Bump*

Urantia II

01-04-2005, 07:30

*Bump*

Urantia II

02-04-2005, 08:19

*Bump*

Dread Lady Nathicana

02-04-2005, 18:46

An observation? There isn't a need to keep bumping every hour or so in Moderation. In fact, I've seen folks get told specifically by mods not to do so. The mods are not always available, simply to be here at your beck and call, to answer you immediately because you happen to feel you 'deserve' an answer right this very minute. They're unpaid and often unappreciated volunteers who come in here every day to support a game they enjoy and put up with a lot of bullshit and stress. I don't think it's too much to ask that we show a modicum of the respect we ought to be showing -everyone- on these boards to them on account.

Second observation. It would seem you have been answered, and several times in some cases. The fact that you may feel you have not recieved an adequate answer is beside the point entirely. We've covered this before in another thread, if I recall correctly. You seem to be in the habit of belaboring your supposed 'point', misdirecting the conversation, resorting to ad hominem time and again, to the point where just about everyone reading it is more likely to want to tear their hair out than give you any serious second thought.

In other words, your method of pursuing these issues is not helping you in the least - something you have repeatedly been told. It's also what is getting you into trouble.

You are not the authority here. Neither am I. It's not that difficult to recognize that fact. The mods however, are. They have been appointed by the creator and admins here, who also oversee their actions. What they say goes. We do not have to agree with it. Yes, we do have the freedom to ask questions when we feel something hasn't been handled correctly. And when we get their final answer on it, guess what?

We get to deal with it. End of story.

Is this fair? Considering we don't pay one red cent to be able to enjoy the game, and agreed to abide by the rules of this site when we created our nations here ... yes, yes it is. Does it 'feel' fair all the time? Probably not, but this isn't about 'feelings'. It's about facts. And the fact remains that this is how it is. This is not a democracy, is not a place created just for each and every one of us to use to forward our personal agendas, is not protected by supposed 'free speech' clauses, is not our site to dictate how things get run.

What part of all that is unclear? If you want your 'right' to speak your mind without censure, get yourself an online journal or blog or what have you, and rant to your little heart's content. If you wish to continue participating here, I would respectfully suggest you reassess your methods, and intentions, and learn how to try and get along a little better. If not, perhaps this is not the best place for you - said just as an observation, not in telling you 'get the hell out'.

Gracious. I think I've just found my next topic. Thank you. And as always, best of luck in your endeavors.

Neo-Anarchists

02-04-2005, 19:26

An observation? There isn't a need to keep bumping every hour or so in Moderation.
It looks to me as though he's followed the standard mod advice of one bump per day.
31-03-2005 3:01 AM
Yesterday 6:30 AM
Today 7:19 AM
I think you misread the timestamp. ;)

Dread Lady Nathicana

02-04-2005, 19:41

You know what ... I did. o.o

My bad on that one. Apologies.

Statements stand on the rest. ;)

Urantia II

02-04-2005, 20:14

Second observation. It would seem you have been answered, and several times in some cases. The fact that you may feel you have not recieved an adequate answer is beside the point entirely. We've covered this before in another thread, if I recall correctly. You seem to be in the habit of belaboring your supposed 'point', misdirecting the conversation, resorting to ad hominem time and again, to the point where just about everyone reading it is more likely to want to tear their hair out than give you any serious second thought.

In other words, your method of pursuing these issues is not helping you in the least - something you have repeatedly been told. It's also what is getting you into trouble.

Really?

Then perhaps you would be good enough to point out where the answers to the questions I have raised with these concerns are?

-Like my being chastised for going on about my questioning someone, as a Moderator did the same thing to me...
-Or perhaps the locking of Threads that had a legitimate discussion, without explanation?
-Or the stating of a Moderators opinions, which then seem to condone Off-Topic posts and then their closing the Thread because it is Off-Topic?

You are not the authority here. Neither am I. It's not that difficult to recognize that fact. The mods however, are. They have been appointed by the creator and admins here, who also oversee their actions. What they say goes. We do not have to agree with it. Yes, we do have the freedom to ask questions when we feel something hasn't been handled correctly. And when we get their final answer on it, guess what?

We get to deal with it. End of story.
Understood...

And now perhaps you would be good enough to explain where the above questions have been addressed?

Is this fair? Considering we don't pay one red cent to be able to enjoy the game, and agreed to abide by the rules of this site when we created our nations here ... yes, yes it is. Does it 'feel' fair all the time? Probably not, but this isn't about 'feelings'. It's about facts. And the fact remains that this is how it is. This is not a democracy, is not a place created just for each and every one of us to use to forward our personal agendas, is not protected by supposed 'free speech' clauses, is not our site to dictate how things get run.

What part of all that is unclear? If you want your 'right' to speak your mind without censure, get yourself an online journal or blog or what have you, and rant to your little heart's content. If you wish to continue participating here, I would respectfully suggest you reassess your methods, and intentions, and learn how to try and get along a little better. If not, perhaps this is not the best place for you - said just as an observation, not in telling you 'get the hell out'.

Gracious. I think I've just found my next topic. Thank you. And as always, best of luck in your endeavors.
Again, I am only trying to have my concerns here addressed, I understand all that you have said, and am left not understanding what YOU don't get about MY concerns? I am following the Rules here, am I not?

And, as I stated before...

I was hoping this Thread wouldn't become a "berate Urantia II" Thread for simply asking questions.

I am just trying to better understand how things work here, so as not to make any more mistakes than I already have.

Regards,
Gaar

Urantia II

05-04-2005, 10:42

*bump*

Cogitation

05-04-2005, 18:40

Okay, this topic has my attention, again, but a full and complete reply will require time. Additionally, I anticipate being busy in real life this coming weekend, and I don't know if my reply will be ready before or after that.

Bump this topic again seven days from now if I haven't responded by then (and every three days thereafter if I keep forgetting).

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Cogitation

07-04-2005, 03:19

Before I begin with Urantia II, I've got a comment on these posts:
http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8411289&postcount=8
You should've seen his flamebait in the "What's Wrong With Capitalism?" topic. He was acting like a snotty turd.
http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8411309&postcount=12
You know, you'd come off as a much nicer person if you'd tone it down a bit. It sounds like you've got some huge issues.
These posts are a bit old, but I want to point out provoking the situation further does not help.

...

Now, on to Urantia II. Given the amount of time already expended on your case, my rulings on your specific situation are final and only subject to overruling by an Admin.

From http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8411137&postcount=1
So perhaps you would be kind enough to explain to me how my post was some sort of "bait" to Pantera and these posts aren't "bait" towards me...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8408312#post8408312

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8408358#post8408358

I would definitely like to know what it is I did that was not done in a more extreme way towards ME with those posts...

And I don't see any warning towards him, why is that?
My opinion is that that is very mild baiting. Not severe enough that a warning needs to be issued, but if Pantera hasn't been told to exercise more caution, then I'll inform him myself.

That said, the posts of yours that he's responding to are worse forms of baiting, as you were being very confrontational and provokative.

...

http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8411180&postcount=3
I am actually wondering how pointing out the ACTIONS that can be taken against him for what he has admitted to in this forum is "baiting" him in some manner?

Perhaps that could be explained to me as well?
If it's done civilly, then it's not baiting. You were NOT civil, thus you were baiting.

...

From http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8411237&postcount=5
So let me get this straight...

He would get in trouble for coming back and telling me I was wrong and that nothing has happened to him?
It depends. If he were polite and civil about it, then he would not get in trouble with NS Mods. If he were uncivil and confrontational like you, then yes, he would get in trouble.

And so I am in trouble, even though what I have said MAY be true and it may very well have happened?

I am serious with this question, please explain...
Truthful flamebait is still flamebait. This is, at least in part, a matter of presentation. The same content presented two different ways could have different legality judgments.

I mean, I can see how if I suggest that something that is not likely or even impossible to happen could be interpreted as such, but saying something that may likely happen is not the same as saying something just to rouse someone, is it?

Why am I not able to discuss what MAY happen to someone for doing exactly what he has ADMITTED to in this thread?

Please, I would really like to know.
Again, the answer is presentation. You were very confrontational.

...

From http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8411296&postcount=9
I'm sorry, I really wasn't...

But if some have taken it that way I apologize.

It was just "my way" of pointing out what may happen to someone for exactly what he has admitted to doing.
"Your way" needs to change if you're going to remain on NationStates. You need to be civil and polite.

And might I add, that I am pretty sure that if a Moderator here has witnessed someone ADMITTING to committing a Felony, they are OBLIDGED to REPORT that Person to Authorities.
I will ask the Admins about this. I'm not sure we have an established protocol. Usually, anything involving the authorities gets Admin attention.

...

http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8411465&postcount=25
Ok how about we just "skip" the "middle man" and go right to posts of the Mods, would that work for you?

I'll even start with the Mod that warned me...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8390986#post8390986

Doesn't that fit the description of "bait" that you just gave me?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8378180#post8378180

Or this one with her "critique" of another poster? She doesn't expect him/her to reply to such insinuations?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8378102#post8378102

Same with that one?

And I found those on just the first 2 pages of her post History.

Shall I go on?
First Link: This is not a comment about Skapredroe. An analysis of context indicates that this is a comment about the people posting to his thread and their tendency (at the time) to consider only the information Skapedroe posted. Dismissed.
Second Link: I believe that's a critique of the presentation style of another poster, not a critique of the poster. Dismissed.
Third Link: There is a very fine line between satire and flamebait/trolling. This... is satire. While it borders on flamebait, the intent is to get people to think, the intent is not to provoke flames. Note that Skapedroe titled the thread "the hatefilled Ann Coulter calls the only real whitehouse journalist "an old arab""; this is rather filled with vitriol in and of itself, and Katganistan was mocking this topic title. Dismissed.

...

From http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8416582&postcount=57
Couldn't the same thing be "observed" of the several different "reasons" you cited as to why I myself may not have or had deliberately been asking my questions of you earlier, that you made in your post?

So again please, why is it ok for YOU to question such things but not ok for me?
Katganistan is a Forum Moderator. She is charged with judging the conduct of NationStates players on the forums. She is therefore justified in posting supposed reasons for your actions, particularly in the context of you asking for an official ruling.

...

http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8416911&postcount=60
Thank you Cogitation.

I am particularly interested in the several times that I have asked about someones response, in this thread, to me being "flaim bait" and yet being the only one "called" on such behavior.

Several times I have pointed out how someone elses response to me is exactly what they are telling me is "flaim bait", so I am hard pressed seeing where the difference lies...

Thanks again for your time.
Very often, NationStates Moderators have to judge what someones intent is. In many of your posts, you have been uncivil, provokative, and confrontational. Our judgment is that you are doing this deliberately.

In the examples you provide, we don't see that same pattern of behavior suggesting deliberate intent.

...

http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8514244&postcount=61
Still no Ruling here...

And then we have THIS happening in a Thread that I have Reported, SEVERAL TIMES...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8514190&postcount=571

I will bet if I were posting such things like Cat-Tribes has been in this Thread I would have been sanctioned in some manner by now...
http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8514295&postcount=63
There is absolutely nothing actionable about this post. She's calling your posting style trolling, and in a very polite manner, I might add. She's not trolling, she's not flaming, and I don't consider that flamebait. What exactly is your complaint?
I'm going to mildly disagree with Frisbeeteria and say that Cat-Tribes is at fault for one thing only: mild flamebaiting and feeding the troll... namely, you.

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http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8514301&postcount=64
I used the little red icon in the lower left...

I assume that contacts a Moderator about the post that I am reporting, does it not?

I don't necessarily HAVE to come here EVERY TIME I want to give the Mods a heads up, do I?

If so, I wish someone would have told me sooner...
At some point, we have to speak to the Jolt Admins about having that red triangle removed. -_-

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http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8514324&postcount=65
Those posts are in response to HIS (it's a HE by the way) OFF TOPIC Posts in this thread...

Do I need to go back and post how it has all started? I don't recall you only commenting on just the ONE POST the last time, you actually went back to get context, did you not?

Again, if someone were complaining about me doing such a thing in a Thread THEY STARTED I am SURE YOU would be telling me I am posting Off Topic and trolling, would you not?

Or am I allowed to do such things in other peoples Threads? Cause I am sure I have seen people warned about such things before.
http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8514370&postcount=67
That's post #571 in a thread that's probably gotten even longer by now. I've read plenty in that topic, even ruled in it as you pointed out, and it seems to me that you are determined to control the nature of every response in that thread. General doesn't work that way. The vast majority of the posts that I read are in fact only minor topic drift, not thread hijacking as you seem to claim in about every other post. It's also 12:23 PM here, and I have to get up at 06:00, and I have no desire to spend my precious sleep time analysing 570 + posts for every perceived injustice you might have suffered.

Am I going to warn The Cat-Tribe for topic hijacking? No, I am not. If you have other specific complaints, you can post them here. Somebody else may get around to reviewing it.
I concur with Frisbeeteria. This is natural topic drift, not deliberate hijacking.

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http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8514398&postcount=68
Control? NO, I was merely asking that something completely off-Topic be asked to discontinue... As has been requested of me before.

Again, I just would like to have others be required to follow the same decorum that I have been requested to follow.

It's also good to know that those other reports are not recognized, I'll make sure I come here to report all such posts in the future, perhaps I should link to THIS Thread...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8513163&postcount=556
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8506488&postcount=528
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8506879&postcount=539
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8498774&postcount=450
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8506676&postcount=93
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8506710&postcount=99
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8506290&postcount=77
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8506199&postcount=76
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8506054&postcount=74
First Link: Corneliu - Trollfeeding
Second LInk: Falhaar - Flamebait
Third Link: The Cat-Tribe - Flamebait and trollfeeding
Fourth Link: The Cat-Tribe - Trollfeeding
Fifth and Sixth Links: Not actionable. If they were carrying on the joke for much longer, though, then it might be warnable as hijacking.
Seventh Link: It looks like he's trying to keep the question as polite as possible. Unless he's being persistent on the subject of sedatives, this is an isolated incident and is not actionable.
Eighth Link: The Cat-Tribe - Flamebaiting and trollfeeding
Ninth Link: The Cat-Tribe - Flamebaiting and trollfeeding

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http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8557615&postcount=72
Since this is the only Thread I have that remains "unlocked" in Moderation I decided to use it, instead of making yet another Thread, to "bump" my Issues in Moderation...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=407432
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=407709

Thank you for your time.
First Link: Ah, that. Yes, I need to get around to answering that. (I was wondering why I could only find one post by me in this thread; I was getting threads mixed up.)
Second Link: I'm not sure what that's about, but Hack seems to have resolved the initial problem.

As I consider all of your points in this topic to be answered, iLock this topic.

I will unlock http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=407432 and reply to it separately.

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