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Hello again. This is just another question regarding the legality of the nation Asshelmetta:

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=asshelmetta

Granted the word "ass" does not offend me...but there are many worse things that could be said or done that does not offend me personally yet are still illegal. I'd just like to see a mod opinion on the matter.

Isn't this something for the nifty little thing called the "getting help page"?
/smartass

Isn't this something for the nifty little thing called the "getting help page"?
/smartass

Actually Mr. Smartass, since I see his name in the forums, I'd say it applies here as well. If I'm wrong, then so be it, but I honestly doubt that the mods won't take a look at it because it's not in the getting help page.

If he had named it "Ass Helmet" you might have a case. As it is, it's a made up word which could be pronounced Ash-helm-eta.

If he had named it "Ass Helmet" you might have a case. As it is, it's a made up word which could be pronounced Ash-helm-eta.

Yeah...and "Fuck Off" could be pronounced "Fook Oof" as well. Doesn't change the fact that it still says "fuck off."

"Asshelmetta" is not simply a made up word, it is the "nationalized" form of Asshelmet. It would be the same with Asshelmetia, Asshelmetaq, Asshelmetica, or whatever. It's still Asshelmet.

if you look in the region he is in there are 5 nations with the root asshelmet
allso in said regions wfe there is this stuf which i will bold

The Isle of Lesbos

World Factbook Entry: a tropical paradise, the Isle of Lesbos is host to many nations. It's terrain varies from the snow covered twin peaks of Mount Boobzilla to the white sandy shores of Rio de Jeeziro, world famous for it's Bronzed Aged burial mound.

The areas between each nation is known as the wastelands, inhabited by horrific mutants known as Orderites and ruled by vicious motorcycle gangs.

The Nations of Lesbos have a message board forum that everyone is encouraged to visit - http://asshelmets.com/ - stop by and post something pithy... or not. as a warning i would not goto that link if you take offence to sexual explicits, said wfe is a definit violation of the ns tos due to this explicit referance to homesexual acts on that site

Why thank you RTW. Yes, posting a link to a pornographic site is a deletable offense as seen through other's past offenses.

Also, if I really wanted to be an ass (pun intended), I could get on his case for having his region the isle of lesbos. Granted I know that it's a real island, but given his nation's name, I doubt geographical accuracy was his real intention.

In addition to that, since someone brough up pronounciation earlier in this thread, the "white sandy shores of Rio de Jeeziro" could easily be brought into question. Take the word "Jeez," change how you would pronounce it a little, and think of something that's white and sexual in nature. It's not that hard (another horrible yet intended pun) to believe.

At first, I was going to defend Asshelmetta on the grounds that the entire region is simply highly sexualized. However, the puns seem so horribly conceived in preschooler logic that it's clear the entire region is meant as a trivialization. The link to the site is questionable in that it supposedly contains explicit references to sexual activity, but I'm not going to dig deeper to find out if there are explicit pictures (considering I'm sitting at school, making an already awkward post even more so). I would say it's wide open to debate, as it's not my place to make a final decision. This is good, because I clearly don't have one.

The link to the site is questionable in that it supposedly contains explicit references to sexual activity, but I'm not going to dig deeper to find out if there are explicit pictures (considering I'm sitting at school, making an already awkward post even more so).

Ok...I decided that I might as well follow the link. I discovered a message board, and in less than one minute, came across this thread:

[Link removed. I found a nice animated GIF of a cloud who had a bleeding asshole as well as poorly photochopped porn. Mods can find the link in my "getting help page" report for proof.]

Ok...I decided that I might as well follow the link. I discovered a message board, and in less than one minute, came across this animated GIF that depicted a cloud-like thing with blood pouring out from its anus.

Sonofabitch....

Scrolled down twice and I found pornography. I'm getting rid of the link. Mods can find it in my "getting help page" report on Asshelmetta.

yay porno :D

yay porno :D

Indeed, it has its places...one of which, however, is not this site. Pornographic images or links to sites which contain them is illegal because of the younger kids on NationStates.

His whole region is ridiculous...

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=pussitania

Pussitania needs no explanation...

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=japfetish

Japfetish, while iffy on its own, has a picture of a penis as its flag.

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=twunts

Twunts is a play on two other slag terms for a vagina

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=impfukuastan

...and this has "fuk u" in it.

man you all cry over stupis asshole shit!!!!!!! thats right i said asshole oooo its os bad its only a fucking game get a life get out more see the world instead of a computer screen lameos

man you all cry over stupis asshole shit!!!!!!! thats right i said asshole oooo its os bad its only a fucking game get a life get out more see the world instead of a computer screen lameos

Heh...I'm sick today and can't go to class...so what else do I do? Hmm...oh yeah...stay in my room and either watch tv, sleep, or get online. The flu is pretty good at taking away your "life" for a few days.

As for what you said, I'm not on a crusade here, I'm pointing out obvious rule breakings. I've said asshole and even fuck in this thread. Swearing in the forums isn't outlawed...swearing in names is. Posting links to porn is.

As for you, I'm not going to bother reporting you, considering you flamed in the moderation forum, and in a thread that has yet to be commented on by a moderator. I'm sure things will take care of themselves. In the mean time, grow up and get back to class.

If you want more immediate action, Steel Butterfly, try on IRC with #themodcave on irc.esper.net.

If you want more immediate action, Steel Butterfly, try on IRC with #themodcave on irc.esper.net.

Oh no. As long as it's done, it doesn't matter when. It just needs to be taken care of. I am, however, surprised that no mod has commented, considering I know there are some on right now.

Also, for all the things I can do on computers, IRC has always confused me. I think I'll pass on that one.

how about the flags of the Nazi Europe members. Their flag is the german naval flag with the ss twin s and i think the deaths head symbol.

If you want more immediate action, Steel Butterfly, try on IRC with #themodcave on irc.esper.net.
Notice that there is a difference between needing immediate action and wanting immediate action. A region that has been griefed and is almost due to be wiped out by update needs attention. A forum post linking to pr0n or a virus needs attention.

Nationnames aren't going to accidentally sneak away because we didn't get to them in 15 minutes. This is exactly the sort of request that isn't good for IRC. Since this is actually a game request rather than a forum request (and since Forum Mods can't do anything about it anyway), the best way is via a Getting Help request.

Since this is actually a game request rather than a forum request (and since Forum Mods can't do anything about it anyway), the best way is via a Getting Help request.

I've done that as well...it's just been my experience that these things get noticed faster.

Alright SB, thanks for following that link so I didn't have to. I'll agree with you that something needs to be done about this region, though indiscriminate obliteration might just make people piss and moan.

To everyone else: The Mods will get to this eventually, there's no need to jump right onto IRC and scream and shout. Unless Asshelmetta does some significant editing, it'll be noticed sooner or later and halted.

So it's cool, I'm just going to sit around and feel like I've done a half-good deed.

man you all cry over stupis asshole shit!!!!!!! thats right i said asshole oooo its os bad its only a fucking game get a life get out more see the world instead of a computer screen lameos

Warned for flaming.

I'm sorry. Is this about me?

I didn't name the region.
I didn't write the factbook entry.

The messageboard you take so much offense at is an unmoderated forum mainly devoted to discussing political issues.

Yes, being unmoderated it does have some explicit pictures, posted by people either to denigrate another's argument, or just because some people like explicit pictures.

p.s.: The Isle of Lesbos is a real island in the real world. Read into it what you want.

The messageboard you take so much offense at is an unmoderated forum mainly devoted to discussing political issues.

Yes, being unmoderated it does have some explicit pictures, posted by people either to denigrate another's argument, or just because some people like explicit pictures.


Nevertheless, the link still contains explicit pictures and, from what SB says, pornography. Linking to such things within NationStates is illegal. Doesn't matter if the actual website is moderated or unmoderated.

Nevertheless, the link still contains explicit pictures and, from what SB says, pornography. Linking to such things within NationStates is illegal. Doesn't matter if the actual website is moderated or unmoderated.
The link most certainly does not.
The site does, if you look for it, but the link doesn't.

By your logic, linking to a site that contains a link to another site that contains a banner ad for a porno site would be illegal. Heck, the New York Times couldn't pass that test.

I'm sorry. Is this about me?

It started that way, and while you're still included, it's since expanded.

The link most certainly does not.
The site does, if you look for it, but the link doesn't.


The link is to a message board. A thread in the message board contained a lesbian porno pic with some one's head photochopped over top of it. Still porn. Still illegal.

I didn't have to look for it. It was in the first thread I scanned. I'd give the link to the picture if I didn't fear deletion myself...

It started that way, and while you're still included, it's since expanded.
Did I insult you in the UN forum, or are you just outraged by one of my arguments?

Why this vendetta?

Did I insult you in the UN forum, or are you just outraged by one of my arguments?

Why this vendetta?

Haha...the only vendetta I have, Asshelmetta, is against those who think they can get away with breaking the site rules. You, and your entire region it seems, fall into that catagory. I reported it. It's my duty as a member of this site.

The link is to a message board. A thread in the message board contained a lesbian porno pic with some one's head photochopped over top of it. Still porn. Still illegal.

I didn't have to look for it. It was in the first thread I scanned.
One might hope you would at least concede it was a funny and insulting photohchop.

Still, the link wasn't to that photochop. The link wasn't to a page containing that photochop.

In what way are you calling it illegal, btw?
The only way that message board is linked to jolt forums is in your link.
I'll go back and re-read the nationstates rules, but I don't think your interpretation is correct.

Whatever. Go ahead and see if you can Faw to change the worldfactbook entry, or get japfetish to change his flag, or get imp's nation deleted.

One might hope you would at least concede it was a funny and insulting photohchop.

Still, the link wasn't to that photochop. The link wasn't to a page containing that photochop.

In what way are you calling it illegal, btw?
The only way that message board is linked to jolt forums is in your link.
I'll go back and re-read the nationstates rules, but I don't think your interpretation is correct.

Whatever. Go ahead and see if you can Faw to change the worldfactbook entry, or get japfetish to change his flag, or get imp's nation deleted.

The link was to a board containing that porn. It is linked to NationStates through your world factbook entry. That is illegal.

And also, I don't have to get faw to changed the factbook, or japfetish to change his flag or anything else. That is the job of the moderators, and I'm pretty sure that they can. I don't have to "go ahead and see."

There are primary school children playing this game, and it is your responsibility to make sure that their minds are not corrupted.

In addition, Asshelmetta, you lied. Take a look at your "location" to see how "asshelmets.com" is linked to NationStates. You're advertising a pornographic site every time you post!

http://67.18.37.14/129/44/upload/p1160382.png

In addition, Asshelmetta, you lied. Take a look at your "location" to see how "asshelmets.com" is linked to NationStates. You're advertising a pornographic site every time you post!

http://67.18.37.14/129/44/upload/p1160382.png
A lie would be intentional.
I don't know what you're talking about.

You mean in my jolt profile I put my region's messageboard?
OK, if Frisbeeteria or another mod tells me to take it out of my profile, I'll do so.

p.s.: it's not a pornographic site. if it were, they'd charge for admission.

His whole region is ridiculous...

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=pussitania

Pussitania needs no explanation...

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=japfetish

Japfetish, while iffy on its own, has a picture of a penis as its flag.

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=twunts

Twunts is a play on two other slag terms for a vagina

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=impfukuastan

...and this has "fuk u" in it.


And your name has "butt" in it, which is clearly a word some people find offensive!!

Dealing with illegal names is a Game Mod deal. I'll leave that decision for one o' dem.

Dealing with back-and-forth bickering still belongs to me. Asshelmetta, Steel Butterfly, you've both had adequate time to state your case and respond to the other's statements. That's enough arguments. Now both of you, chill and wait for a decision.

A lie would be intentional.
I don't know what you're talking about.

You mean in my jolt profile I put my region's messageboard?
OK, if Frisbeeteria or another mod tells me to take it out of my profile, I'll do so.

p.s.: it's not a pornographic site. if it were, they'd charge for admission.

Ok...enough with this. The site, asshelmets.com, contains pornography. Linking to a site containing pornography is illegal by NationStates rules. There is a link in your world factbook entry, as well as one in your jolt profile that shows up each time you post. Those are two instances of breaking the no linking to porn rule.

On top of that, your name is illegal, as are those of a few of your "friends" or whatever, japfetish's flag is beyond illegal, making a pornographic image his flag.

The mods will take care of this. There is no debate to be had. Facts are facts, my friend.

And your name has "butt" in it, which is clearly a word some people find offensive!!

This isn't a place for you to troll, TilEnca.

Dealing with back-and-forth bickering still belongs to me. Asshelmetta, Steel Butterfly, you've both had adequate time to state your case and respond to the other's statements. That's enough arguments. Now both of you, chill and wait for a decision.

Agreed. I apologize for posting after this as well. I hadn't seen it.

Dealing with illegal names is a Game Mod deal. I'll leave that decision for one o' dem.

Dealing with back-and-forth bickering still belongs to me. Asshelmetta, Steel Butterfly, you've both had adequate time to state your case and respond to the other's statements. That's enough arguments. Now both of you, chill and wait for a decision.
ok. the complaint about having the board name in my profile's location is a jolt deal, though.
do you want me to remove it?

ok. the complaint about having the board name in my profile's location is a jolt deal, though.
do you want me to remove it?
There is no separation between Jolt deals and NationStates deals in this instance. If it's visible while viewing NationStates forums, it's a NS Moderation issue. Jolt granteth our mod powers, therefore we are Jolt mods too.

Given that, I'm at the office and not in a position to check it out. I'll leave it for later, or for a game mod.

just wondering if i'm thinking on the right track
i reported the said site in the wfe due to inaproprite content it may not be a direct link but neither are links to other sites like albinoblacksheep i believe

I visited asshelmets.com just to see what all the fuss was about, and ended up having to go through 2 or 3 links before I found a tiny picture of a semi-naked person, and that was in a member's (not Asshelmetta) avatar.

I also looked through that site and, unlike what Nargopia said, a scan through the first forum listed showed one thread that was totally inappropriate. There was a picture of erm... yea... it was a picture that isn't sutable for NationStates. There is one forum labeled "our best pr0n" and I'm not even going in there to look and see what that's about. Without even searching around too much, I found inappropriate pictures on that forum - they're directly viewable - not in popups or anything like that.

Now, before someone comes and tells me that the mods are busy people and that I need to be patient, why hasn't this been looked at yet? I mean, understanding Fris was at work though - we have a [potentially] inappropriate forum in a "Location", a WFE, and plastered in this thread for half the day. I think this should be delt with as soon as possible so this can be removed from NS.

I'm not going to stand on principle regarding the location in my profile.
If a mod decides it's OK, I'll put it back.

Or maybe not; didn't ever mean to cause a big stink over it.

And your name has "butt" in it, which is clearly a word some people find offensive!!This isn't a place for you to troll, TilEnca.Ummm, actually, they made a good point, Steel Butterfly. The degree of violation is all in the eye of the beholder, etc and not every point raised countering your own is a flame, etc.

Might I also point out I'm sure I've seen many people talk to Asshelmetta quite a lot in the past, and even during ... heated ... discussion, never raise their name in it as being an issue. In fact, this is the first I've thought of it as being even remotely any such thing.

( Hell, I would think an " ass helmet " is only a problematic thing if you're wearing it, SB, and if your a member of PETA. )

Because, of course, ass is another word for a donkey.

If it was Arsehelmetta, there could be a stronger case here.

EDIT :

It came to my attention via an IRC chat just now that there has been a ruling in the past that one cannot link to a site, should it contain in its site specific material ( Pages within the site domain, ads / banners, etc, forum posts too, I suppose ) pornographic or other adult only material.

Now, I can't recall the ruling location, nor if its a set in stone one, or another " as per case, per case warrants " one, but I would think since Asshelmetia has policed themself with the links removal, that is demonstrative of their good-will, despite the virulancy of the claims made against them.

AND THEN,

You seem to hold him responsible for his region mates of all things. Might I remind you that unless any of those accounts are his puppets, then they are nothing to do with him and perhaps you should seek to keep those matters as seperate from these as your able. Nor, unless Asshelmetta is the founder, are they responsible for the WFE.

( And for christs sake, " Jeez " can be short for " Jesus ". As in " Jeez, do this people ever quit hassle'ing each other ? " and could also just be a slurred pronounciation. No need to see the worst under every little pebble on the beach, you know. And god help me had I had " Life's a beach " in my WFE, then I could be painted as trying to say " Life's a bitch " and then I'd be getting reported, hmmm ? )

I will say one thing specifically in Asshelmetta's defence. At least they've acted with restraint in the " open and shut, push it on through " method you've employed in handling the reporting of this. Which is more then I can say I would was this directed at me with such equal intent.

Butterfly, there has to be a more constructive use of your and the moderators time than going after an active, intelligent U.N. member due to nigh-invisible offensiveness. Obviously there is no offense intended here, and quite frankly linking to a messageboard is not in any way terrible. Once you reach the messageboard, you're in nuetral ground - going further is your own choice, not something Asshelmetta has in any way caused.

The link is also quite a bit different from linking to a vulgar site even if that particular page doesn't have anything offensive on it - messageboards are not intended for only offensive material, they just sometimes have it in their threads as a result of other users.

There are primary school children playing this game, and it is your responsibility to make sure that their minds are not corrupted.

Because, you know, primary school children are so very likely to join the U.N., go into the forums (which has a disclaimer on it from Max himself about content), take an interest in Asshelmetta, do in-depth research on the nation, follow links that they find there into a messageboard, and then follow that messageboard into a thread with a picture on it.

Finally, I don't find ass helmets offensive, even after going as far as to pull that term from his name. I mean, put that mental image in your head. Does that seem offensive to you, or just moderately hilarious? Is it using the word directly as a derogatory term or swear word, or simply defining a piece of human anatomy, formed on your head as opposed to your gluteus maximus? Would you go after a nation named Gluteus Maximus? How about with the phrase "butt" in it, directly or indirectly? Where do you stop?


Ass:
buttocks: the fleshy part of the human body that you sit on; "he deserves a good kick in the butt"; "are you going to sit on your fanny and do nothing?"
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn
a pompous fool
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn
hardy and sure-footed animal smaller and with longer ears than the horse
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn
Imagine any of those three on your head, and still see if you have a case for offensiveness. If you said yes to the first one, I think you should go complain to Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, cause children everywhere can watch that and that fellow Quark is curiously bumpy in some odd places. If you said yes to either of the other two, you might need some serious mental help.

This is ridiculous... Mebbe if he was a "holemetta".

The Isle of Lesbos is a password protected region to keep out any who might be offended by our region.

How did our password get bypassed by this Butterfly person?

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It seems somewhat childish and immature to attack a region because you do not understand history and the Isle of Lesbos place in history.

This Steel Butterfly person obviously is holding some kind of grudge with asshelmetta, which is easy, since he's a jerk.

But you certainly can't hold the jerk accountable for the actions of others in his region.

There was never an active link to asshelmets.com which is a political free-for-all debate page - not for the faint of heart or the weak of mind.

Steel Butterfly, being a flaccid miscreant need not apply. Anybody with a brain and the tools to communicate are welcome.

Please bring your sense of humor and post something pithy.

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To the mods here - thank you for the restraint you've shown thus far, we just want to play the game in our private little region. I think you'll find that the majority of us just stay in our region. We mean no harm, and as far as I can see - any resonable person would be able to see that.

The Isle of Lesbos is a password protected region to keep out any who might be offended by our region.

How did our password get bypassed by this Butterfly person?
Passwords only prevent people from moving into a region, they do not stop other players from seeing your region.


And, uh, it's probably not the best idea to flame in the moderation forum.

Well, Assington and Sneaky Bastards are two veterans of NS, and neither have been deleted for their names.

Passwords only prevent people from moving into a region, they do not stop other players from seeing your region.


And, uh, it's probably not the best idea to flame in the moderation forum.

We've just learned that and have changed our description accordingly.

I'm sorry, whom did I flame?

I'm sorry, whom did I flame?
Steel Butterfly, being a flaccid miscreant need not apply. Anybody with a brain and the tools to communicate are welcome.
That's who you flamed.

Refering to Steel Butterfly as a 'jerk', a 'flaccid miscreant', and implying that he lacks a brain may be construed as a flame. There's no reason the thread needs to wander off in that direction.


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My 2 cents: The word ass never made it on Carlins' "Seven Dirty Words", heck, in the states, it is said on primetime TV. I doubt having ass in a name is really going to currupt any young players.

Well, Assington and Sneaky Bastards are two veterans of NS, and neither have been deleted for their names.
And yet Assjackistan (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Assjackistan) was one of the very few nations ever allowed a name-change (we don't do it no more, so don't ask) to Al Amarja. Happened waaaay before my time, so I don't know the whys and wherefores.

It's a judgement call. That's all I can say.

Okay, I just came across the Getting Help request filed on this.

Well, Assington and Sneaky Bastards are two veterans of NS, and neither have been deleted for their names.
"Assington" dates to the pre-Mod era and falls under special exemption. Ive just been told that "Assington" is a real-life city, so this is a contributing factor.
"Sneaky Bastards" was deemed just borderline enough to forego deletion.
"Asshelmetta" clearly is not old enough to fall under the special exemption for pre-Mod-era nations, and I'm not sure why action wasn't taken against it earlier. I will hold off on deleting it, however, until I can find out what the story is.
"Faw" is guilty of using the World Factbook Entry of his region to both flame "Steel Butterfly" and link to an adult site and has been deleted.

His whole region is ridiculous...

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=pussitania

Pussitania needs no explanation...

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=japfetish

Japfetish, while iffy on its own, has a picture of a penis as its flag.

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=twunts

Twunts is a play on two other slag terms for a vagina

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=impfukuastan

...and this has "fuk u" in it.
Pussitania could refer to pussycats, but given the context, I have chosen to act on the obscene interpretation. Deleted.
Japfetish had a defamatory animal and obscene flag, currency, and motto. Deleted on totality-of-evidence.
Twunts has been deleted for the reason given by Steel Butterfly.
Impfukuastan as a name seems fine to me. To interpret it obscenely is a bit of a stretch. It has been warned for a bad currency.


And yet Assjackistan (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Assjackistan) was one of the very few nations ever allowed a name-change (we don't do it no more, so don't ask) to Al Amarja. Happened waaaay before my time, so I don't know the whys and wherefores.
It was mistakenly deleted by a Moderator when it should have been protected by the special exemption for pre-Mod-era nations. Admin made the decision to create a new nation and copy over all the stats. This, however, is a slow, tedious, and manual process and was only ever done in this one case.


--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

Japfetish had a defamatory animal and obscene flag, currency, and motto. Deleted on totality-of-evidence.
Not only that, Japfetish was flaming people on the forums too if I remember correctly.

"Asshelmetta" clearly is not old enough to fall under the special exemption for pre-Mod-era nations, and I'm not sure why action wasn't taken against it earlier. I will hold off on deleting it, however, until I can find out what the story is.
"Faw" is guilty of using the World Factbook Entry of his region to both flame "Steel Butterfly" and link to an adult site and has been deleted

First of all Cog, I wish to thank you for looking over this rationally and coming to a favorable conclusion, one that benefits the whole of nationstates. In my defense to the rest of you, I have had no prior interaction with any of these nations I have reported, and I take offense to the character assassination thrown my way in Asshelmetta's "defense."

While normally I'd let it slide, given the circumstances, you will be reported as well in a seperate thread. ( http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8385097#post8385097 ) Flaming me in moderation for simply doing my job as a member of this site...not wise.

Now, Cogitation, as this thread was originally designed to report Asshelmetta's rather illegal (in my opinion) name, it extended farther than that when Asshelmetta himself had a link to porn.

http://67.18.37.14/129/44/upload/p1160382.png

In fact, this is the exact same link that FAW got deleted for posting in the regional factbook entry. Each time Asshelmetta posted, this link to a site containing pornography would appear. I hardly see this as legal, or responsible on his part. I'll leave it up to you to decide, naturally, but in my mind his fate has been sealed.

As I've said, the only vendetta I have is against those who think it's their right to break the rules and not get caught. No, the word Ass doesn't offend me. No, pornography doesn't offend me. Ultimately, though, that's immaterial. If it goes against site rules, it is illegal. Bottom line. Closing time. Case closed.

There is no link, there never was a link - just a description of a link that someone would have to actively copy and paste to utilize.

That is not an active hyperlink to a site.

Then, once you reach the site main page you must choose a forum to enter.

It is not a porn site by any stretch of the imagination.

How do I protest this ruling?

There is no link, there never was a link - just a description of a link that someone would have to actively copy and paste to utilize.

That is not an active hyperlink to a site.

Then, once you reach the site main page you must choose a forum to enter.

It is not a porn site by any stretch of the imagination.

How do I protest this ruling?

You protest it here. Let it also be noted that the already deemed illegal link, or the description of one as you put it, in currently in your signature.

It is a site containing pornography, and as such is illegal to link or make any connection to because of this site's younger audience. As I said, you may protest the decision here, although I fail to see how you have an argument. Leave it up to the mods to decide.

Now, Cogitation, as this thread was originally designed to report Asshelmetta's rather illegal (in my opinion) name, it extended farther than that when Asshelmetta himself had a link to porn.

http://67.18.37.14/129/44/upload/p1160382.png

In fact, this is the exact same link that FAW got deleted for posting in the regional factbook entry. Each time Asshelmetta posted, this link to a site containing pornography would appear. I hardly see this as legal, or responsible on his part. I'll leave it up to you to decide, naturally, but in my mind his fate has been sealedHis " fate has been sealed " has it ? Oh, very nice. I'm not even going to go into that.

Of course, as Asshelmetta pointed out himself, he removed the link in his location detail once he realised your extreme concern over it and pointed out he'd leave it out until Moderation Staff could make a ruling about it. Surely the fact he went so far as to police himself just for you points out no harm was meant ...

And it was - not - a direct link to porn that I saw. It was a link to a Main Forum page where a sub-forum contained pornographic material and could only be seen if you went into that sub-forum of your own free will and then into one of the threads, aware of the content via the titles, of course ...

There was no direct-ness about it that I saw.

Bottom line. Closing time. Case closed.And yet I do recall before-hand ..."Asshelmetta" clearly is not old enough to fall under the special exemption for pre-Mod-era nations, and I'm not sure why action wasn't taken against it earlier. I will hold off on deleting it, however, until I can find out what the story is.So I think your jumping the gun a bit, SB, :p

And yet I do recall before-hand ...So I think your jumping the gun a bit, SB, :p

Eh...time will tell.

When I first starting reading this thread (even after getting quite far into it) I decided that I would refrain from commenting. But after witnessing the sheer arrogance of certain members it has come to my attention that others have decided to take it upon themselves to act as moderators. Albeit they do not have the actions but they take it upon themselves to give the threats.

Looking at both sides of the stories the case looks dubious yet the original complainer appears to not want to let go of their side as it would prove them wrong and petty. Let the moderators do their job. If you are wrong let it go and move on.

This reminds me, did anyone watch channel 4's "The TV they tried to ban"? I only mention this because this whole situation reminds me of that program.

Come to think of it, some of it kind of reminds me of the FCC business that pushed Howard Stern ... ( I think that is the guy ) into Satellite Radio ...

* Sorry if its the wrong chap, I'm awful at times about some American " notables " names ...

* Sorry if its the wrong chap, I'm awful at times about some American " notables " ...
No, you've got it right.

There is no link, there never was a link - just a description of a link that someone would have to actively copy and paste to utilize.

That is not an active hyperlink to a site.

Then, once you reach the site main page you must choose a forum to enter.

It is not a porn site by any stretch of the imagination.

How do I protest this ruling?
i didnt even go in to a forum to see what caused me to report the site
in the little box where on probaords there would be a news mention there was an explicit discription of 2 men engaging in questionable, activitys that i wil not mention on this baord, and also making a refrence to the open wounds on one o thier mouths

Eh...time will tell.


What's the matter? Not satisfied with getting three nationstates deleted today? Need to delete the entire region to feel satisfied and smug enough?

I hope other nations and regions take note of how easy it is for a petty individual to wreak havoc by abusing the letter of the rules and the power of the mods.

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Careful about that curseword in your sig line bubba, you might be next....

AOF, I do not apprecaite you emailing me telling me to visit asshelmets.com. Please don't do it again.

Since I cannot yet see what-ever it was you saw, I can only assume that is the box that with every refresh, brings up a new quote. I'm still refreshing yet and have seen nothing akin to what you claim to have. But, considering what I admit is a some-what " blue " nature of some of the humor, I'm not all that surprised. I figure the Forum " isn't out to take prisoners " like N.S. has to. Pretty obvious from the sub-forum descriptions, after all.

looking at it again, not only is there no direct graphical link, but the " exotica " forum is actually called " Warning: NC-17 Pr0n ". Surely to god the fact its title is a disclaimer means something ?

At the end of the day, I'm not saying the link must be allowed, I'm just pointing out I don't see a crime here that warrants deletion or even a warning for Asshelmetta, in what I freely admit is my own, most humble, opinion.

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Another EDIT : AMF, if your email is available for them to access, chances are you should expect emails. Not wanting to sound pithy ( No, really ! ), but people do tend to fire off electronic mail if they want to contact some one they know of on the net and have the said persons e-address. I'd also have thought it'd be more effective to email them back about it rather then a not so subtle " OMG ZEY MAIL ME ! " so to speak ... considering you can't actually prove they mailed you and it really doesn't have anything to do with this thread.

I'd like some warning if anyone tries to get me banned because the last syllable of my nation's name can sound like "sex" if you are drunk and have a Chinese accent.

Seriously though, in defence of Asshelmetta, this is the first time I've ever even thought that it could be interpreted that way, even after countless encounters with it in the UN forums. And I hope the fact that the site does explicitly warn about its "whoo!" section is taken into consideration. It's not my place to judge, obviously, but I think these are very shaky grounds for deleting an active and generally constructive member of the forums.

On a personal note, I'm appalled by the sheer arrogance from Steel Butterfly. Self-righteousness never fails to get me cringing. To me it does seem like he has some kind of vendetta against Asshelmetta.

And I hope someone invents some kind of *ahem*playtime toy*ahem* called a "steel butterfly" so we can protest about his name.

I agree with Kelssek completely. I understand and agree with the rules of the site, but I think that Asshelmetta, though he may be near the line, is still definitely on the correct side of it. And for someone to post the name of mount "boobzilla" when there are actual mountains, offending no one, called the "grand tetons" (err, in french the meaning is more clear. But you should be able to guess.) is, well, -- a bit asinine.

as·i·nine Audio pronunciation of "asinine" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s-nn)
adj.

1. Utterly stupid or silly: asinine behavior.
2. Of, relating to, or resembling an ass.

dictionary.com. and puns are terrible, but I couldn't resist.

Come to think of it, some of it kind of reminds me of the FCC business that pushed Howard Stern ... ( I think that is the guy ) into Satellite Radio ...

* Sorry if its the wrong chap, I'm awful at times about some American " notables " names ...

You're right and you're wrong. Indeed it was Howard Stern in question. However, while the FCC was simply unhappy with Howard Stern, NationStates calls what Asshelmetta did illegal. I'm merely bringing it to the attention of those who may enforce the rules of NS. I'm not trying to push my personal views on the matter, which I've stated many times. I don't find ass offensive. I don't find porn offensive. I do, however, know that having that in your name or posting a link to a site which contains porn is illegal by the site rules.

When I first starting reading this thread (even after getting quite far into it) I decided that I would refrain from commenting. But after witnessing the sheer arrogance of certain members it has come to my attention that others have decided to take it upon themselves to act as moderators. Albeit they do not have the actions but they take it upon themselves to give the threats.

Looking at both sides of the stories the case looks dubious yet the original complainer appears to not want to let go of their side as it would prove them wrong and petty. Let the moderators do their job. If you are wrong let it go and move on.

Arrogance? Am I saying that I'm better than Asshelmetta? If you mean that I follow the site rules and that he doesn't...well then you're correct. I am better at following rules. That's hardly arrogance, however. Acting like a moderator? Honestly...if I was acting like a moderator I wouldn't be continuing to post now would I? Hasprat, there is no side to let go of. There is right and there is wrong. I'm in no way impeding the moderation process.

What's the matter? Not satisfied with getting three nationstates deleted today? Need to delete the entire region to feel satisfied and smug enough?

I hope other nations and regions take note of how easy it is for a petty individual to wreak havoc by abusing the letter of the rules and the power of the mods.

Excuse me? First of all, you've already been reported and are under review. For your sake I'd behave. Now, I do not feel smug about your region breaking the rules. I feel horrible that certain people cannot follow simple guidelines. In fact, it is their lack of attention to the rules which got them deleted, not me. As a simple player, I cannot delete anyone. I have not lied nor done anything wrong. It is natural for you to feel anger towards me, though, due to the fact that we seem to be on opposite sides sadly enough. Once again, right and wrong.

Surely to god the fact its title is a disclaimer means something ?

That one forum is hardly the only place.

I'd like some warning if anyone tries to get me banned because the last syllable of my nation's name can sound like "sex" if you are drunk and have a Chinese accent.

Seriously though, in defence of Asshelmetta, this is the first time I've ever even thought that it could be interpreted that way, even after countless encounters with it in the UN forums. And I hope the fact that the site does explicitly warn about its "whoo!" section is taken into consideration. It's not my place to judge, obviously, but I think these are very shaky grounds for deleting an active and generally constructive member of the forums.

On a personal note, I'm appalled by the sheer arrogance from Steel Butterfly. Self-righteousness never fails to get me cringing. To me it does seem like he has some kind of vendetta against Asshelmetta.

And I hope someone invents some kind of *ahem*playtime toy*ahem* called a "steel butterfly" so we can protest about his name.

Does your name have the word sex in it? No. Is sex even a bad word? No.

I'm not interpreting Asshelmetta's name in any way, let alone whatever way you seem to be implying. I'm following rules. No swear words in names. Period. In addition, when each nation signs up for NS, they are told to read the site rules. It's not my problem if he just clicked the box. The fact that you're appalled is immaterial. Hell, I'm appalled that someone would go out of their way to break site rules. I've never talked to Asshelmetta prior to this, and have only seen his name twice before I made this thread. In addition, you failed at your attempted humor.

I understand and agree with the rules of the site, but I think that Asshelmetta, though he may be near the line, is still definitely on the correct side of it.

So you think it's alright to post links to websites containing pornography? Your entire statement contradicts itself. There is no close to the line or far from it. Asshelmetta's name in itself is illegal, and so is posting links to sites containing porn.

I love the smell of fiery zeal first thing in the morning. Steel Butterfly, why don't you just back off and let the mods do their job? You're not a mod you do not have to defend any of your actions or statements but yet you continue to do so. It is not becoming.

The Isle of Lesbos is a password protected region to keep out any who might be offended by our region.

How did our password get bypassed by this Butterfly person?
This has been mentioned by Tiborita, already, but a password only blocks nations from entering your region. It does not hide your region; you region is always publically visible at all times.

It seems somewhat childish and immature to attack a region because you do not understand history and the Isle of Lesbos place in history.
Unless you are talking about the history of a real-life place called "Isle of Lesbos", I fail to see how this is relevant.

This Steel Butterfly person obviously is holding some kind of grudge with asshelmetta, which is easy, since he's a jerk.
Flaming; bordering on getting an official warning.

But you certainly can't hold the jerk accountable for the actions of others in his region.
I'm not sure what you're referring to here.

There was never an active link to asshelmets.com which is a political free-for-all debate page - not for the faint of heart or the weak of mind.
It is a URL leading to an adult site. The fact that it is not an active hyperlink is irrelevant. It violates the "obscene" clause of the NationStates Terms and Conditions.

Steel Butterfly, being a flaccid miscreant need not apply. Anybody with a brain and the tools to communicate are welcome.
Flaming and flamebaiting; bordering on getting an official warning.

To the mods here - thank you for the restraint you've shown thus far, we just want to play the game in our private little region. I think you'll find that the majority of us just stay in our region. We mean no harm, and as far as I can see - any resonable person would be able to see that.
Duly noted. Unfortunately, that does not negate the fact that you are publically visible at all times. Thus, you must be in compliance with NationStates rules at all times.

First of all Cog, I wish to thank you for looking over this rationally and coming to a favorable conclusion, one that benefits the whole of nationstates.
Just to clear up any confusion: NationStates Moderators do not take official actions because they "favor" anyone, NationStates Moderators take official action to enforce NationStates rules.

While normally I'd let it slide, given the circumstances, you will be reported as well in a seperate thread. ( http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8385097#post8385097 ) Flaming me in moderation for simply doing my job as a member of this site...not wise.
While flaming in "Moderation" is not wise, posting a topic in "Moderation" to report a post in "Moderation" is usually pointless.

Now, Cogitation, as this thread was originally designed to report Asshelmetta's rather illegal (in my opinion) name, it extended farther than that when Asshelmetta himself had a link to porn.

Image (http://67.18.37.14/129/44/upload/p1160382.png)

In fact, this is the exact same link that FAW got deleted for posting in the regional factbook entry. Each time Asshelmetta posted, this link to a site containing pornography would appear. I hardly see this as legal, or responsible on his part.
First, I will point out that screenshots can be altered and/or forged and are not admissable as evidence. Second, I did see that earlier, but he has since removed it. Thus, I have decided not to take action on that particular offense.

I'll leave it up to you to decide, naturally, but in my mind his fate has been sealed.
[Emphasis mine.]

Yes, please do leave it up to a Moderator to decide.

My tone-of-voice probably comes across as arrogant, and arrogance is something I try to avoid, in general. However, arrogance is justified in a NationStates Moderator because a Moderator is, de facto, reponsible for making judgments and enforcing rules. By creating a nation, a player is agreeing to be bound by NationStates rules and to be subject to the judgment and will of NationStates officials. Arrogance is not justified in an ordinary player. You are not a NationStates Moderator. Do not presume to judge other players. It is not your place to do so.

Just bring something to our attention and say "The part I'm concerned about is.... Please check it out." That will suffice.

As I've said, the only vendetta I have is against those who think it's their right to break the rules and not get caught. No, the word Ass doesn't offend me. No, pornography doesn't offend me. Ultimately, though, that's immaterial. If it goes against site rules, it is illegal. Bottom line. Closing time. Case closed.
If it goes against site rules, then it is illegal. I will remind you, though, that the case is still pending judgment and is not yet closed. Again, you are not a NationStates Moderator. Do not presume to act like one.

There is no link, there never was a link - just a description of a link that someone would have to actively copy and paste to utilize.

That is not an active hyperlink to a site.
Irrelevant. It is a URL to an adult site.

Then, once you reach the site main page you must choose a forum to enter.

It is not a porn site by any stretch of the imagination.
It is an offiste forum that allows the posting of material that violates the NationStates "obscene" clause. You are therefore prohibited from posting URLs to it in NationStates.

How do I protest this ruling?
By posting in a revelant thread in "Moderation"... which you're already doing.

And it was - not - a direct link to porn that I saw. It was a link to a Main Forum page where a sub-forum contained pornographic material and could only be seen if you went into that sub-forum of your own free will and then into one of the threads, aware of the content via the titles, of course ...

There was no direct-ness about it that I saw.
Irrelevant. The URL leads to an offsite forum whose permitted content does not abide by NationStates rules. Thus, their URL may not be posted anywhere within NationStates jurisdiction.

They are, of course, free to set and enforce their own rules for material posted on their forums since they're not a part of NationStates. However, if we don't like their rules or the content they allow, then we may prohibit links or URLs to it from NationStates. Some players will remember a recent judgment that links to certain well-known sites are prohibited from NationStates precisely because the sites in question host adult content.

What's the matter? Not satisfied with getting three nationstates deleted today? Need to delete the entire region to feel satisfied and smug enough?
By itself, this is borderline flamebait. In combination with your earlier offenses in this thread, however, I will issue an official warning.

AOF: Official Warning - Flamebait. Note that you already have a second official warning for your bad signature.

I hope other nations and regions take note of how easy it is for a petty individual to wreak havoc by abusing the letter of the rules and the power of the mods.
Most other nations and regions do not border on violating NationStates rules. Players may bring things to the attention of the Moderators, but it is the Moderators who make the judgments.

Careful about that curseword in your sig line bubba, you might be next....
Steel Butterfly's current forum signature is in compliance with NationStates rules, unless there's something I missed.

I'd like some warning if anyone tries to get me banned because the last syllable of my nation's name can sound like "sex" if you are drunk and have a Chinese accent.
In my official opinion, that is for too tenuous of a stretch to take action against you. Besides this, I'm not sure if use of the word "sex" violates the "obscene" clause. It probably does, but I'll have to confer with other NationStates Moderators.

Seriously though, in defence of Asshelmetta, this is the first time I've ever even thought that it could be interpreted that way, even after countless encounters with it in the UN forums. And I hope the fact that the site does explicitly warn about its "whoo!" section is taken into consideration. It's not my place to judge, obviously, but I think these are very shaky grounds for deleting an active and generally constructive member of the forums.
Regulating national names became much more strict with the introduction of Moderators in April 2003. Nations created before then with obscene names are granted special exemption if they have not otherwise broken the rules. Everyone creating a nation after the introduction of the Moderators was, and still are, expected to abide by NationStates rules.

Additionally, the national name "Asshelmetta" is, in my opinion, clearly meant to emulate the URL of the prohibited site. This is a strong contributing factor in favor of its deletion.

And I hope someone invents some kind of *ahem*playtime toy*ahem* called a "steel butterfly" so we can protest about his name.
I believe an adult toy called a "butterfly" already exists. While it can be argued that "Steel Butterfly" is a reference to this adult toy, the context surrounding his nation (region, animal, currency, et cetera) suggests that this is not the intent.

Arrogance? Am I saying that I'm better than Asshelmetta? If you mean that I follow the site rules and that he doesn't...well then you're correct. I am better at following rules. That's hardly arrogance, however. Acting like a moderator? Honestly...if I was acting like a moderator I wouldn't be continuing to post now would I? Hasprat, there is no side to let go of. There is right and there is wrong. I'm in no way impeding the moderation process.
You have been bordering on acting like a Moderator by stating what punishment you think another player deserves.

So you think it's alright to post links to websites containing pornography? Your entire statement contradicts itself. There is no close to the line or far from it. Asshelmetta's name in itself is illegal, and so is posting links to sites containing porn.
[Emphasis mine.]

Incorrect.

Whether or not a national name, animal, currency, or whatever is illegal under NationStates rules depends heavily upon the users intent. Since nobody is a mindreader, this becomes a judgment call by NationStates Moderators. I once deleted a nation called "Fuqua" on the basis that is was meant to sound like "Fucker". I was later presented with evidence that "Fuqua" is a valid hispanic name (at least, I think it was hispanic) and I reversed my decision and restored the nation.

So, there are "borderline" cases and judging these can be tricky.

This case is still under review by NationStates Moderators. I'm leaving the topic open, but I want the bickering to stop. Do not post unless you have new information to contribute or you are the target of Mod action and wish to file a protest.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

Greetings,

Japfetish had a defamatory animal and obscene flag, currency, and motto. Deleted on totality-of-evidence.

So my primary, humble Nationstate (this is merely a puppet nation of mine, in accordance with the rules, since this is not a UN member) due to it's flag and a pun as its national animal?

As for the flag, I claim that it was merely an image depicting the Red Rising Sun of Japan (as in the original Japanese flag), modified with a square shaped piece of brown chocolate to it's left, that may or may not have led your minds to percieve it as something offending. Some may have percieved it as a controversial depiction of the male genetalia, but that would be going quite far with your own imagination. And still, do you not think that I could have been given a warning instead of seeing my precious nation deleted? After such a warning, could you not have just changed the flag into the standard one?

As for the national animal: According to Wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female): "Female is a sex that denotes an animal which produces egg cells in order to reproduce". That my national animal was 'female' did not mean that it was the human female, but that it was of an unknown species, but of female gender. If you still found this to be offensive, could you not have warned me and forced me to change it?

The currency, the 'clam', refers to the historical fact that in the days of old, in some primitive societies, clam shells were in fact used as currency.

Please, take my arguments into consideration while evaluating my appeal. Thank you for your time.

Greetings,



So my primary, humble Nationstate (this is merely a puppet nation of mine, in accordance with the rules, since this is not a UN member) due to it's flag and a pun as its national animal?

As for the flag, I claim that it was merely an image depicting the Red Rising Sun of Japan (as in the original Japanese flag), modified with a square shaped piece of brown chocolate to it's left, that may or may not have led your minds to percieve it as something offending. Some may have percieved it as a controversial depiction of the male genetalia, but that would be going quite far with your own imagination. And still, do you not think that I could have been given a warning instead of seeing my precious nation deleted? After such a warning, could you not have just changed the flag into the standard one?

As for the national animal: According to Wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female): "Female is a sex that denotes an animal which produces egg cells in order to reproduce". That my national animal was 'female' did not mean that it was the human female, but that it was of an unknown species, but of female gender. If you still found this to be offensive, could you not have warned me and forced me to change it?

The currency, the 'clam', refers to the historical fact that in the days of old, in some primitive societies, clam shells were in fact used as currency.

Please, take my arguments into consideration while evaluating my appeal. Thank you for your time.


That may be the case, but I have seen your posts on a**helmets.com and you certainly did not come across that way. I'm not arguing that your national flag was obscene or not, but certain players didn't interpret it that way. I agree that perhaps a change to the flag would have sufficed as a sanction.

DISCLAIMER: I am not a puppet of Japfetish. I am a puppet of Pterodactylus. 'Nuff said.

Yeah...and "Fuck Off" could be pronounced "Fook Oof" as well. Doesn't change the fact that it still says "fuck off."
Was the "Fuck Off" in the above quote directed at me? Are you cursing me? In the Moderation forum? I think I just might have been flamed here.

Was the "Fuck Off" in the above quote directed at me? Are you cursing me? In the Moderation forum? I think I just might have been flamed here.

This was not a flame towards you, or anyone. This was merely an example by Steel Butterfly to show everyone that an offensive name is still an offensive name, despite different spelling. These two examples are the same thing.

I just waded through a slew of hostility and flamebaiting. Last I checked, this isn't the General forum. This thread does not need every opinion under the sun. So far as I can see the Moderators have ruled and with the exception of a request for a review of a decision, there's no reason for so much discussion.

Can we move on, now?

Standard Disclaimer: If I were a Moderator, this would be an official statement. Since I'm not, it isn't.

Regarding the "grandfathering" of nation-names - note the following two News Page items:

Fri, 16 May 2003

How to be Nice

by Max Barry

Following hot on the heels of our fancy Legal Disclaimer comes an all-new FAQ section: Etiquette. This explains what is and isn't acceptable behavior here, and addresses the contentious issues of "region crashing" and Regional Control abuse.

Sun, 11 May 2003

Legalese

by Max Barry

Two people have threatened to sue me so far, both because another player said something mean to them. So now NationStates has a Legal Disclaimer, which you have to read before you create a nation. If you've already got one, you should read it now, because it imposes new conditions on your use of the site. The big one is this: if you post something illegal on NationStates and someone sues me because of it, you pay my legal bills.

Of course, an even better situation is for nobody to sue anybody. That's been working pretty well so far. Let's keep doing that.

Before 11 May 2003, you did not have to agree to the Terms of Service when you created a nation. Afterwards, you did. Since nation names cannot be changed, nations are generally not deleted for offensive names if they predate the Terms of Service.

If this post is deemed to be off-topic, I really don't mind if it's deleted. Just trying to add a little more information about how some old nation names are valid even though they wouldn't be today.

This case is still under review by NationStates Moderators. I'm leaving the topic open, but I want the bickering to stop. Do not post unless you have new information to contribute or you are the target of Mod action and wish to file a protest.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator
I had resolved to stay out of this debate after Frisbeeteria ask me and SB to, but I'd like to respond directly to your invitation.

On the subject of my name:

The name is not meant as an advertisement of my messageboard, but as homage to a site to which I am proud to contribute. The name does not provide a link to my messageboard; google "asshelmetta" and you'll find numerous links to jolt forums and to nationstates.

I have posted in the moderation forum perhaps a dozen times in the last two months. Several moderators, including yourself, have responded to my questions and concerns. None ever suggested there was something inappropriate about my nationstate name.

I did a quick check of the nationstates world last night. There were about 100 nations whose names begain with "ass". Several of those are mine and my friends'. Many others have it as the first word of their name. I didn't see anywhere the name itself is an obscenity.

You may submit content to NationStates.net so long as it is not obscene, illegal, threatening, malicious, or defamatory, does not invade the privacy or infringe the intellectual property of a third party, and does not constitute "spam."
...
You understand that this web site contains satiric content, and presents views and opinions exagerated for the purposes of parody.
I read those terms before, but I went and created another nationstate tonight so I could see them again. This was not a case of me ignoring the rules, or trying to bend rules; by itself I wouldn't think of "ass" as an obscenity, but as part of another word (other than "asshole") I would have had trouble (when I registered here) believing that anyone could consider it an obscenity. As my second quote is intended to suggest, I at most thought someone who didn't know me might see it as a joke.

On the deletions of Pussitania, Faw, and Twunts:

Despite the accusations leveled against her, and despite her association with such disreputables as myself, Pussitania is a cat-loving woman with a fine sense of humor. The "pussy" in her nationstate name was in fact a reference to the pussycat in her flag - a funny photochop of her (sadly, recently deceased) pet cat.

I didn't see the flame against Steel Butterfly when Faw changed the regional description. The version I saw was an attempt to comply with what we thought were the rules, by noting that it was an adult site. If he had been told that wasn't good enough, I am sure he would have removed the link entirely. If a later version contained an insult against Steel Butterfly, given the context of Steel Butterfly's wholesale attacks on the region, a warning would have been appropriate to knock him back into line. I feel deletion of the regional founder was more than was warranted.

I am not sure who Twunts was. Honestly. The name may have been "a play on two other slag terms for a vagina", or it might have been an acronym. Either way, it isn't a recognizeable obscenity in any way I can see.

Notice that I am not defending Japfetish. I think his nationstate name was meant to be mildly provocative, and the meaning of his flag somewhere between Steel Butterfly's interpretation and Japfetish's rationalization elsewhere in this thread. That is, I believe it to have been intended as a joke on the Japanese national flag, but I believe the joke to have included making it look somthing like a penis.


In conclusion

Delete my nation if it really is a violation of the profanity rule, but please don't make my friends pay for what I can only characterize as Steel Butterfly's vendetta against me.

I am not sure who Twunts was. Honestly. The name may have been "a play on two other slag terms for a vagina", or it might have been an acronym. Either way, it isn't a recognizeable obscenity in any way I can see.

You're joking, right?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3DTwunt&e=8092

Faw was never even given a simple warning or a chance to correct anything a mod might have asked for. Just deleted outright.

Irrelevant. The URL leads to an offsite forum whose permitted content does not abide by NationStates rules. Thus, their URL may not be posted anywhere within NationStates jurisdiction.

They are, of course, free to set and enforce their own rules for material posted on their forums since they're not a part of NationStates. However, if we don't like their rules or the content they allow, then we may prohibit links or URLs to it from NationStates. Some players will remember a recent judgment that links to certain well-known sites are prohibited from NationStates precisely because the sites in question host adult content.Sorry, I was only trying to point out there was no direct links to pornographic images, which is what some people seemed to think was the case when they posted. I was pointing out the material was on the site, just not the front page of the forums that the link description would resolve to. I was just getting a bit pissed that people seemed to think this was a case of a straight up link to stuff like tub-girl or the goatse stuff, which was of course not the reality.

And yes, I do remember those judgements, A.B. Sheep, or some other, wasn't it ?

So my primary, humble Nationstate Japfetish (this is merely a puppet nation of mine, in accordance with the rules, since this is not a UN member) due to it's flag and a pun as its national animal?

As for the flag, I claim that it was merely an image depicting the Red Rising Sun of Japan (as in the original Japanese flag), modified with a square shaped piece of brown chocolate to it's left, that may or may not have led your minds to percieve it as something offending. Some may have percieved it as a controversial depiction of the male genetalia, but that would be going quite far with your own imagination. And still, do you not think that I could have been given a warning instead of seeing my precious nation deleted? After such a warning, could you not have just changed the flag into the standard one?

As for the national animal: According to Wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female): "Female is a sex that denotes an animal which produces egg cells in order to reproduce". That my national animal was 'female' did not mean that it was the human female, but that it was of an unknown species, but of female gender. If you still found this to be offensive, could you not have warned me and forced me to change it?

The currency, the 'clam', refers to the historical fact that in the days of old, in some primitive societies, clam shells were in fact used as currency.

Please, take my arguments into consideration while evaluating my appeal. Thank you for your time.

That may be the case, but I have seen your posts on a**helmets.com and you certainly did not come across that way. I'm not arguing that your national flag was obscene or not, but certain players didn't interpret it that way. I agree that perhaps a change to the flag would have sufficed as a sanction.

Thanks for supporting my case that a change of the flag would have sufficed. However, I wonder what my posts on the open discussion forum called a**helmets have to do with anything? If I for instance use foul words in the comfort of my own home, should that be taken into consideration when judging my character and the intentions of my quite harmless flag in this internet game? I think not. What happens in this game needs to be isolated from what happens in the outside world, as well as in other areas of the internet. I have not linked to the AOF from here, I just happen to post there from time to time.

However, I wonder what my posts on the open discussion forum called a**helmets have to do with anything? If I for instance use foul words in the comfort of my own home, should that be taken into consideration when judging my character and the intentions of my quite harmless flag in this internet game? I think not. What happens in this game needs to be isolated from what happens in the outside world, as well as in other areas of the internet.
I'm wondering the same thing. I had never been to a**helmets.com until all this mess started. I went there and looked around and I honestly can't see what the problem is. It's not a "porn site'. It's a forum. Yes there are bad words and naughty avatars but the same could be said about somethingawful. There are bad words on slashdot. Should we not link to it now?

I know. You can find quite offensive images on sites like cnn.com as well, far more offensing than the avatars of the a**helmets forum (why do we need to censor this anyway?) at any rate.

Unless CNN.com has started displaying pictures of hardcore girl-on-girl action, the two sights are not similar, and having a link to that site that has this is in violation of NS rules as spelled out in the ToS as obsene.

There is no point in continuing making post on this thread that this is about "bad words".

You may remember (or if you don't, here is the ruling) that we do not allow links to sites which have adult material on them. We have in the past asked people to either rehost whatever it is on their own webspace before linking to it, or not to link to it.

This is part of the reason, if I am not mistaken, that rotten, ebaumsworld, albinoblacksheep and other sites are not allowed to be linked to from here.

...given the context of Steel Butterfly's wholesale attacks on the region...

...Delete my nation if it really is a violation of the profanity rule, but please don't make my friends pay for what I can only characterize as Steel Butterfly's vendetta against me.

As the moderators have said, I will not bicker on the many points that I could bicken on, however I want to ask Asshelmetta or anyone else to find an instance of even our interaction prior to something in relation to this thread.

There is no prior interaction and therefore no cause for a vendetta, None exists. As for his region, the only thing I'm "attacking" it with are the site rules, nothing more. Continuing to imply that there is such a thing, without proof, is flamebait.

So please...somebody...prove to us all that I have an undenyable hatred for Asshelmetta and the Isle of Lesbos. I'm going to apologize in advance for all those who take the time to look. You won't find anything.

Woah ... looking at all of the post numbers is intimidating ... I think I have none, or close to it. That's irrelevant, anyway.

I am disgusted by these ruthless attacks on Steel Butterfly's character and his true intentions. Whereas the accused party - the original one, a**helmetta - is in my opinion, and to avoid deletion DISCLAIMER: I am not a moderator (obviously) guilty. Again, this is an opinion. And to avoid the public shaming of the moderator dragging you up and saying, "STOP GIVING YOUR OWN RULINGS" or the like I did include the disclaimer. With that in mind:

1.) I'll stop posting, like Mister Moderator Man asked us all to, after this.
2.) Most of what I've seen here is flaming/flamebaiting. That's just wrong, people. I thought we could rise above such petty squabbles and be more civilized than resorting to crude insults and attacks on people's reputations.
To some people reputation is a very important asset. Ask a doctor or lawyer.
3.) If I were the moderator (DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT A MODERATOR) I would be getting less and less likely to delete the defendant if people kept on nagging to delete him. Heck, if it got bad enough, I'd refuse out of spite. And quickly have my (nonexistent) Mod priviledges revoked. But it'd be worth it. And vice versa, too. Keep that in mind.

OR I'LL HOLD YOU ALL IN CONTEMPT OF COURT!

I've read the protests against Mod action in this case. iLock pending a final decision.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

I have posted in the moderation forum perhaps a dozen times in the last two months. Several moderators, including yourself, have responded to my questions and concerns. None ever suggested there was something inappropriate about my nationstate name.
There are a few reasons why I didn't delete you earlier:
I got careless. Bad thing for a Mod to be, I know, shame on me.
When I first saw you in the forums, I think you had a whole bunch of posts, already, so I was under the impression that another Mod had already ruled on you and found you legal for some reason (like "Assington" was ruled legal because it was the name of a real-life town).
I confused you with "Assington" and didn't realize that you weren't the same nation. Again, this ties back into the "careless" bit, above.
Now, some of the confusion does stem from Moderator oversight, so we're willing to cut you some slack. Usually, players are granted less and less leeway as they get more and more deletions on their record. "Asshelmetta" will probably have to be deleted; our missing something earlier does not negate our right or responsibility to correct that oversight later. However, because of the confusion on our part, we'll grant you a clean slate after this; you'll be treated as a player with no deletions on his record. This is the most likely outcome and I'll personally make a notation on your record that this is to be taken into account by any Mod who has to investigate your record in the future.

I did a quick check of the nationstates world last night. There were about 100 nations whose names begain with "ass". Several of those are mine and my friends'. Many others have it as the first word of their name. I didn't see anywhere the name itself is an obscenity.
Right. That means I'll have to take the time, sometime, to sit down and evaluate those nations. I know "Assington" is legal, but I don't know about the others. I anticipate a large purge of nations.

On the deletions of Pussitania, Faw, and Twunts:

Despite the accusations leveled against her, and despite her association with such disreputables as myself, Pussitania is a cat-loving woman with a fine sense of humor. The "pussy" in her nationstate name was in fact a reference to the pussycat in her flag - a funny photochop of her (sadly, recently deceased) pet cat.

I didn't see the flame against Steel Butterfly when Faw changed the regional description. The version I saw was an attempt to comply with what we thought were the rules, by noting that it was an adult site. If he had been told that wasn't good enough, I am sure he would have removed the link entirely. If a later version contained an insult against Steel Butterfly, given the context of Steel Butterfly's wholesale attacks on the region, a warning would have been appropriate to knock him back into line. I feel deletion of the regional founder was more than was warranted.

I am not sure who Twunts was. Honestly. The name may have been "a play on two other slag terms for a vagina", or it might have been an acronym. Either way, it isn't a recognizeable obscenity in any way I can see.

On Pussitania: The case against her does rely rather heavily on context. You may be right; I may have been too heavy-handed, here. I'll rethink this decision.

On Faw: The World Factbook Entry contained the following line:
The areas between each nation is known as the wastelands, inhabited by retarded, horrific mutants known as steel butterflys and ruled by small minds.
First, I find it very questionable to claim that filing a reasonable and valid complaint against other NationStates players constitutes "wholesale attacks on the region". A valid question regarding possible rulebreaking combined with a degree of arrogance NOT justified by his position does not necessarily mean a personal vendetta, as has been alleged. Even if it did constitute an attack, rulebreaking does not justify rulebreaking and this is a malicious comment against another player and is a warnable offense. NationStates normally operates on a "two strike" system, so this combined with another offense can result in deletion.

Second, providing a URL to an adult site is considered an offense severe enough that it can result in a deletion-without-warning. Player-added disclaimers hold no weight; such links are not allowed. Placing a disclaimer might be viewable as a misguided attempt to follow the rules, so there might be some wiggle room, here. Generally, however, ignorance of the rules is not an excuse.

I will rethink the decision against Faw, but at the moment, the prognosis does not appear to be in his favor.

On Twunts: We Moderators believe that the intent of this player was obscenity and this nation will not be resurrected.

iUnlock, primarily to hear Asshelmetta's response to this before I take action, though I will hear responses from any directly involved party.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

I am the former owner of the kingdom of faw.

I put a warning in the link because I thought that prudent until we had a ruling.

I do not consider asshelmets to be a porn site.

I thought we had to have a ruling to remove the link. No one asked me to remove it. If asked, I would have complied as we did in changing our description to eliminate any possible obscenity.

I felt we were making efforts to comply.

I was never contacted and asked to change anything or informed of a ruling about the link. Not until after my nation was already deleted.

I apologise for slandering someone I felt was directly attacking all my friends and our whole region - I got angry about how we didn't do anything to anyone and felt the need to retaliate against our haughty rules thumper.

Sorry that I let my emotions get the best of me in the heat of the moment.

I got angry about how we didn't do anything to anyone and felt the need to retaliate against our haughty rules thumper.

Crucifying me for following site rules...

Is this what NationStates has come to? Apologizing for flaming and then flaming again in the same post, attacking someone for following the rules.

On Pussitania: The case against her does rely rather heavily on context. You may be right; I may have been too heavy-handed, here. I'll rethink this decision.

You're right regarding the context. Considering the context in which the entire region was in though, I'd say...well...it doesn't honestly matter. I'd simply like to point out that in the same post that Asshelmetta defends "Pussitania," he says that he doesn't see how Twunts would be obscene. I have trouble finding his supposed defense honest in any way. Then again, Cog, as you've made clear for whatever reason, you're the mod. You know the rules.

In addition, I apologize in the place of us players that this had to take place. I'm sure that Cog could find more constructive ways of using his time than putting up with rulebreakers on an internet forum. I also apologize for what many of you have called arrogance. I'm not trying to be a mod, nor do I think I am. "Arrogance" is just my nature in these sort of things, just as rulebreaking is that of others. I'm not about to admit shortcomings if there are none present. Still, we all have our vices. I can live with mine. Good luck to the rest of you.

On Twunts: I was unaware that the word was used elsewhere, and is by some accounts a slang term in Britain. No complaints.

On Faw: I asked him to remove the link, he read someone saying that text was not the same severity as pictures and that a disclaimer would be sufficient, and he changed it with the intent of coming back here and asking whether that was ok. In other words, he was amenable to complying with the rules when he found out what they were, and he was trying to comply with them. Heck, we were scrambling to figure a way to disable images for unregistered users and under 18 users on our site, once we found out it was a problem for nationstates.

As to Faw's joke about SB (that line previously referred to biker gangs, I believe): Faw did not post that in a forum thread or in a telegram; the only people likely to see it were the members of the region and people who looked it up because of this thread. It was a temporary response to the attack. SB was attacking the entire region in posts 7 or this thread, in post 13, etc. I'll accept that this was not a vendetta and that SB was only attacking the region because he was home sick and bored (his words, post 15 of this thread), but he crossed the line from a complaint about me to an attack on the entire region. (n.b. rio de jeeziro is a play on the username of the owner of our board, jeez, who frequently vacations in brazil. his username has nothing to do with semen, but is an interjection derived from jesus.)

On Pussitania: she's back today (from a business trip, I assume) but couldn't post in this thread to defend herself. She's created a new nation called fluffy kittens, I believe. I stress again that she's an innocent victim in all this and that her nationstate was named after her pet cat.

On Asshelmetta: do what you must. I will hate to lose my 379 million population, my DLE nukes, and the name recognition I have in the UN forum. I will hate the extra 2 months wait before I can submit issue proposals. Would it be possible to change the name, rather than deleting it? Make it "ashelmetta" or something?

I'll finish by saying that I'd have been far less likely to make the mistake of including "ass" in my nationstate name if the guidelines had been spelled out in the Create A Nation page. One word about "obscenity" in the terms & conditions is not clear enough.

I understand that you have a body of case law built up here. It would be sensible to publish it. Ignorance is no excuse, but only if there's a reasonable way to learn. I have looked through stickies in most of the technical forums, I think, but haven't see anything about alterations of obscenities being illegal in names but obscenities themselves being legal in posts. Until the discussion in this thread, I saw nothing anywhere that suggested linking to or mentioning a site that contained objectionable images was forbidden.

Crucifying me for following site rules...

Is this what NationStates has come to? Apologizing for flaming and then flaming again in the same post, attacking someone for following the rules.



You're right regarding the context. Considering the context in which the entire region was in though, I'd say...well...it doesn't honestly matter. I'd simply like to point out that in the same post that Asshelmetta defends "Pussitania," he says that he doesn't see how Twunts would be obscene. I have trouble finding his supposed defense honest in any way. Then again, Cog, as you've made clear for whatever reason, you're the mod. You know the rules.

In addition, I apologize in the place of us players that this had to take place. I'm sure that Cog could find more constructive ways of using his time than putting up with rulebreakers on an internet forum. I also apologize for what many of you have called arrogance. I'm not trying to be a mod, nor do I think I am. "Arrogance" is just my nature in these sort of things, just as rulebreaking is that of others. I'm not about to admit shortcomings if there are none present. Still, we all have our vices. I can live with mine. Good luck to the rest of you.


Please calm down.

On Asshelmetta: do what you must. I will hate to lose my 379 million population, my DLE nukes, and the name recognition I have in the UN forum. I will hate the extra 2 months wait before I can submit issue proposals. Would it be possible to change the name, rather than deleting it? Make it "ashelmetta" or something?



Don't forget to mention all the other nations that will get deleted for haviong some variation of ass or asshelmets in their name will get deleted too.

That's two more nations I'll lose thanks to a rules nazi.


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To any nation out there with the word ass in your name, speak up now or get deleted.

SB was attacking the entire region in posts 7 or this thread, in post 13, etc. I'll accept that this was not a vendetta and that SB was only attacking the region because he was home sick and bored (his words, post 15 of this thread), but he crossed the line from a complaint about me to an attack on the entire region.

Asshelmetta, there is a huge difference between attacking your region and pointing out the faults of your region. If you felt this was an "attack" then I really don't know what to say. One would think that if I wished to attack your region I'd either flame it or roleplay an invasion. Pointing out your region's faults to the mods does nothing for me. It does, however, benefit NationStates as a whole.

Yes, in fact I was at home with the flu, but my reason for posting this was not boredom (which i didn't say), but because it was the right thing to do. I had thought of doing this before, as I said somewhere, when I had seen your name the two previous times, but I hadn't the time until I got the flu and was parked in front of my computer.

No line was crossed when I informed the mods of faults beyond simply your name. That information was brought to my attention later on. (although not much later) My original complaint was in regards to your name. That was before I knew of your region's pornographic links and such. I'm sure you weren't expecting that to be simply ignored after it was brought "into the light." No, there was a natural progression of this thread from your name to your name and the porn/names of your region. It wasn't me "expanding my evil or boredom-inspired reach" or whatever, it was simply what it was. *shrugs* Illegal.

Now, unless there are any further attacks on me or lies regarding my intent, I will not be posting any more. Good day.

You're right regarding the context. Considering the context in which the entire region was in though, I'd say...well...it doesn't honestly matter.
I've resisted responding since Frisbeeteria told us to stop, but on this one I find it difficult.

So, you admit that your complaint was based on context and that she wasn't doing anything wrong, but say she should remain deleted for the crime of being in that region?

Please calm down.

Excuse me? I'm hardly uncalm. I pointed out your flame and then responded to Cog's "invitation." Nothing extravagant about it...then again...speaking of flame...

That's two more nations I'll lose thanks to a rules nazi.

Please stop continuing to flame me, in the moderation forum of all places. I have no fault in this. Do not blame me for your misfortunes. Please, leave me alone if you cannot refrain from childish namecalling.

So, you admit that your complaint was based on context and that she wasn't doing anything wrong, but say she should remain deleted for the crime of being in that region?

(Why ask questions when I already said I'm going to try and stop posting so that our bickering would end?)

Oh well...your logic makes no sense. I'm not going to get into why it makes no sense because that would be even more pointless banter. Pussitania could be taken one of two ways. Either cats or vaginas. My argument was that based on the region that Pussitania was in, it should be taken as the latter. If it is indeed taken this way, then she was doing something wrong. That's up to the mods to decide.

I do not consider asshelmets to be a porn site.


Funny...

It has a forum titled: "Warning: NC-17 Pr0n".

If I can break into the petty mis-directions your all tossing around for just a moment and say something,

AOF, while I can understand your annoyance, I suggest you cool down right now. Its no point getting warned or deleted over a moments satisfaction granted by a bit of off the cuff name calling. You can call SB what-ever you want, but you are not to do it here, okay ? As I recall you have your own Forums and you can telegram your " allies " in this but you are not to do it in a public fashion on N.S.

SB, in a recent post it was you who I see directing a statement at Asshelmetta over one that they had made in a general fashion about your recent actions, which was not directed at you as a direct communication. You chose to respond to it. So I suggest you might be in error when you condem Asshelmetta for responding with a question to you over your last post when it was you who initiated the most recent conversation.

Asshelmetta, just because it looks like your account is to be terminated, please remember that Cog made it quite clear it will not reflect on your future accounts here and they ( Cog ) will go out of their way to make sure. I'd appreciate it if you chilled off a bit too, as I'd hate to see you leave the N.S.U.N. Forums because of multiple deletions sparked by things here, okay ?

I do have to think about what is good for the U.N. :p

In other words, kids, seperate. Or I am going to get up the lot of you for spamming up Moderation with all this name calling / vendetta angst crap, okay ? Please.

[snip]

Komo, you're not involved, so as Cog said, you shouldn't be posting. You are not my mother, don't act like it. You are not a moderator, and as I've been told for doing much less, don't act like it.

ps - Steel Butterfly is a toffy-nosed sanctimonious snit.

Isn't that nice...

Yes, I'm sure I mistake one for the other all the time ...

How-ever, would it be too much for ask for people to leave off the SB-Knocking ? Its not exactly helping your case, you know. No matter what you think of SB, this is not the place or time for it.

As for the "SB-Knocking" it's all about hating the messenger. I'm pointing out rules. People don't like the rules and the mods who are handing out the decisions. I'm an easier target than site rules or game mods.

...and while in real life I'd be rather frightened if you did confuse the two, on the internet, the word pussy doesn't lend itself to one interpretation or another.

I would like to protest losing my nation because some people have no sense of humor.

Actually, you know what ? I am going to butt back in. ( For just this one post here )

Why ? To point out in future maybe it wouldn't kill all you folks to use the Getting Help Page to report " offensive " nation names / motto's or other player created entries into the nation form next time you do see one and want to report it.

* If you have Sigs turned on, you'll see a text link in mine for the GHP.

And for whom'ever it may concern, the rest of my post deletion message was an apology for taking an interest since this thread started, and an apology for Cog cause I missed that bit about " only those whom are involved " posting, as SB was so quick and, no doubt kind, enough to point out to me.

There, done, hands washed of this thread, and all the flammers and in fact pretty much every other poster in here. Enjoy yourselves. Sorry again Cog, I can see your request was wise words, wise words indeed. Thank-you all and good-day. I can't say on reflection it was worth the concern I had.

On Pussitania: The case against her does rely rather heavily on context. You may be right; I may have been too heavy-handed, here. I'll rethink this decision.
I'm not particularly caring if you reinstate Pussitania or not as I haven't had much time to participate lately, but I'd appreciate being judged by what *I* do (and I have never violated any rules) and not by what others do. That's just Critical Thinking 101. Pussitania was named after my recently-deceased cat, Puss, whose picture is on the flag (albeit photochopped beyond most recognition). I can't help it if some dirty minds read more into it.

If we went by Steel Butterfly's definitions of profanity, "Jesus" would be dirty too. ("Jeez" is short for "Jesus", not "jizz", you naughty person.) :eek:

Perhaps "FluffyKittens" is more in line with this website and its forums? Oy gevaldt. :headbang: Just please end this silliness so we may get on with our fun.

~formerly Pussitania

if you look in the region he is in there are 5 nations with the root asshelmet
allso in said regions wfe there is this stuf which i will bold

The Isle of Lesbos

World Factbook Entry: a tropical paradise, the Isle of Lesbos is host to many nations. It's terrain varies from the snow covered twin peaks of Mount Boobzilla to the white sandy shores of Rio de Jeeziro, world famous for it's Bronzed Aged burial mound.

The areas between each nation is known as the wastelands, inhabited by horrific mutants known as Orderites and ruled by vicious motorcycle gangs.

The Nations of Lesbos have a message board forum that everyone is encouraged to visit - http://asshelmets.com/ - stop by and post something pithy... or not. as a warning i would not goto that link if you take offence to sexual explicits, said wfe is a definit violation of the ns tos due to this explicit referance to homesexual acts on that site
Don't forget to mention all the other nations that will get deleted for haviong some variation of ass or asshelmets in their name will get deleted too.

That's two more nations I'll lose thanks to a rules nazi.


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To any nation out there with the word ass in your name, speak up now or get deleted.ok now listen up sb was not the one that borught the rest of your region in to this i did, i happend on to this thread and then went and looked at the region, as you can see from above i brought this up and i may assume that you were refuring to me as "nazi"

I would like to protest losing my nation because some people have no sense of humor.

Ditto.

Okay, here's my decision:

"Pussitania" has been resurrected and her record cleared of all offenses, complete with my apologies; I admit that this deletion was a mistake on my part. There was quite a bit of rulebreaking going on, here, and this one got caught in the crossfire.

Although "Faw" claims that he felt he was "making efforts to comply", his continued harassment of Steel Butterfly suggests otherwise. "Faw" will remain deleted.

All references to "asshelmets" will be considered violations of the "obscene" clause and will not be tolerated on NationStates. This is due in part due to the presence of the word "ass" in the name, but is primarily due to the offsite forum to which it refers.

"Asshelmetta" will be deleted. After this, this player will be granted a clean slate in all future Moderator decisions, as though he had never violated NationStates rules before today... on the condition that no future "asshelmets"-related violations occur.

I don't have time to purge 100 nations right now, so I will be deleting all "ass" nations this evening, "Asshelmetta" included. "Assington" is exempted because it was granted a previous appeal for being the name of a real-life place.

My judgment in this is final. I will not be making any further revisions of my own accord. Any further appeals must be sent to an Administrator: either salusa@nationstates.net or admin@nationstates.net

iLock.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator