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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8365578#post8365578

from that post and onwards, comments about VE in particular...

"Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones."

I'm sure lots of folks would be pleased if you would take your crusade elsewhere, Kahta. Just because your friend got himself deleted does not mean you're going to make it all better by trying to get other folks in trouble on account for less than you pull yourself on a nearly regular basis.

Just an opinion.

"Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones."

I'm sure lots of folks would be pleased if you would take your crusade elsewhere, Kahta. Just because your friend got himself deleted does not mean you're going to make it all better by trying to get other folks in trouble on account for less than you pull yourself on a nearly regular basis.

Just an opinion.

You'd really fit in with the mods, you make decisions based on personal opinions too, just like when Attica was banned from IRC because you disagreed with him.

Regardless, I'm going to report every rule violation I see in a seperate thread.

Regardless, I'm going to report every rule violation I see in a seperate thread.

That's nice, shall we call that a notification of intent to spam?

You'd really fit in with the mods, you make decisions based on personal opinions too, just like when Attica was banned from IRC because you disagreed with him.

Regardless, I'm going to report every rule violation I see in a seperate thread.


I make decisions based on personal experience and opinions gained by observation. Just like most everyone else does. Just like is well within all our rights. Your friend VE chose to go with his personal opinions rather than stick with the rules. Odd ... I don't see you condemning him.

As for Attica, untrue. It would seem you base your decisions on heresay and only one side of the story. Nice. If I banned everyone I disagreed with there wouldn't be nearly as many people in the channel, and it would be a decidedly boring place to hang out. We all disagree with each other now and then - I think it's a healthy thing. When done right, it prompts people to stop and think, and to work out their own decisions on new information or different perspectives they may not have thought about on their own. As has been repeatedly pointed out, it is not the disagreement that is the problem. It is the manner in which some people choose to express said disagreement. When it becomes abusive or problematic, it's time to deal with it. Such was the case with Attica.

VE is no longer a user on this site, thus comments concerning him are none of our concern, thus they're not flamebait as far as we're concerned.

Furthermore, GMC, Kahta is technically allowed to report all rules violations to us, but it will probably have the unfortunate side effect of making the lot of us somewhat jaded towards said complaints. While there technically isnt anything wrong with Kahta running to us every day [like he does now], it will make us rather tired of listening to his complaints [like we already are]. It's more or less one of those things that tends to appeal to the "being human" aspect of our being a moderators.

So yeah, Kahta, you can keep doing it, but we'll get tired of it. We are only human, after all.

However, GMC does have a point. If you keep making new threads, it is likely to spam other requests for help off the page. Maybe you should just make one thread and keep posting in it or something.

Maybe you should just make one thread and keep posting in it or something.
Other mods than yourself have said that was a no-go, I had thought.

Other mods than yourself have said that was a no-go, I had thought.

I do believe it was Cogitation, directly relating to someone complaining about Kahta making a billion threads in Moderation. Something about how the mods would like each incident to have its own thread, or something. Were it not 4am, I'd go ahead and dig it out.

edit: Well, I went and tried anyway, but after trudging through about 60 threads by Kahta, I gave up. Sorry.

The problem with One Thread To Rule Them All would be that most people if they get the chance, start with the comments, some debate evolves some time, and it would get a bit confusing to work out, who was what, when and where, etc, as seperate complaints build up ...

( This one is a perfect example, within one page we're already almost off on a tangent ... )

I think if I see another complaint by Kahta in moderation in the next 24 hours I shall surely scream. :sniper:

I think if I see another complaint by Kahta in moderation in the next 24 hours I shall surely scream. :sniper:

Well get ready to scream then...

I think if I see another complaint by Kahta in moderation in the next 24 hours I shall surely scream. :sniper:

Ah! It must be quite a problem if Stephistan unleashes Da Sn1P3R!

:D

Regardless, I'm going to report every rule violation I see in a seperate thread.

Even your own rule violations? :eek:

Money says he turns a conveniently blind eye to those or will have some wonderful explanation/conspiracy theory as to why his is fine and it's everyone else who is wrong and everyone is out to get him. ;)

We have enough historical proof by now I think to back up that bit of speculation, neh?

Money says he turns a conveniently blind eye to those or will have some wonderful explanation/conspiracy theory as to why his is fine and it's everyone else who is wrong and everyone is out to get him. ;)

We have enough historical proof by now I think to back up that bit of speculation, neh?

Yay, Nathi, we finally agree on some thing..!!! :)

And there are those who say there are no miracles in modern times. The fools! :D

I think if I see another complaint by Kahta in moderation in the next 24 hours I shall surely scream. :sniper:
Even rarer, yay Steph, we finally agree on something!:p

Because our moderators are players who have volunteered to help out of the goodness of their hearts, please deal with lesser disputes without involving them. For example, if someone spams your regional message board, your region's Founder or UN Delegate can eject them.

Being relaxed == good.

Perhaps, if Kahta isn't mature enough to handle disputes rationally on his own and he has to resort to reporting everything he sees (as is proven by his history on NationStates, a simple search will turn this evidence up)... maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't be playing this game.

Because at the end of the day, it's just a game. I don't see how reporting every rule violation in the book, especially in instances when it can be worked out with other posters/players, is part of this game.

Even rarer, yay Steph, we finally agree on something!:p

True, we don't agree on much, and yet ironically we are friends. Odd huh! :fluffle:

Even your own rule violations? :eek:

I was only warned for 1 thing, and that was for using racial "slurs".

That's nice, shall we call that a notification of intent to spam?

Shall I ask why you are biased against right wingers?

Shall I ask why you are biased against right wingers?

Oh, come off it! Provide evidence before you make such a ludicrous statement. Seriously, you know how it works around here, provide hard evidence or shut your mouth.

Shall I ask why you are biased against right wingers?


Frankly, I'm sick of your accusations against the moderators, especially GMC Military Arms, for being bias against 'right-wingers'. The moderators themselves are full of people in any side of the spectrum; right-wing, left-wing, centrist, whatever. GMC is merely stating the fact that, in you creating a new thread for each supposed flame, which none have actually turned out so, you're spamming the Moderation forum.

No matter how much you don't want to admit it, the moderators are not bias against specific people on NS. It would go against the whole idea of being a moderator in the first place. They are welcome to have their own opinion of someone, and frankly, you're not helping your own reputation by crying about other people having their own opinions, while at the same time, you throw your opinions on others, and expect them to have complete tolerance for it. This has been said time and time again, in practically every thread of yours and the late VE, "If you dish it out, expect it back." "If you can't take the heat, get out of the fire." "Grow some skin."

Shall I ask why you are biased against right wingers?

/me laughs for a bit and wonders how Hack is biased against right-wingers.

/me laughs for a bit and wonders how Hack is biased against right-wingers.


I'm not Hack. He's my wife. ^_^

I'm confused. First he's biased against me, then he is me, and now we're married.

Stop the world, I want to get off.

I'm confused. First he's biased against me, then he is me, and now we're married.

Stop the world, I want to get off.

ROFLMAO! :p

I think if I see another complaint by Kahta in moderation in the next 24 hours I shall surely scream. :sniper:( Gathers up some Heavy Duty ear plugs (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=403004) ) ;) Because at the end of the day, it's just a game. I don't see how reporting every rule violation in the book, especially in instances when it can be worked out with other posters/players, is part of this game.True, I know I tend to be slightly selective at times, in what I do and do not report ... but my patent excuse is that I'm a right bastard for sure ! :p

I'm confused. First he's biased against me, then he is me, and now we're married.

Stop the world, I want to get off.
You see, it's sort of like the Moderator version of the Holy Trinity.
Or something like that, I think.

Last time I checked this kind of behaviour was incouraged, because the mods couldn't be everywhere.

Kahta, I have an advice for you. Find something else to do, because this is getting you more and more into trouble. People will dislike you, and you'll only atract more unwanted elements. Eventually this becomes a downward spiraling circle. Because of your behaviour, you'll atract people to have revenge on you, and than you report them again, and so on and so on. Please, find yourself something else to do within the game.

Kahta, I think one thing is crystal clear, and cannot be ignored. You are the only one here supporting your views. There is debating your stance, and then there is clinging onto the cliff-face, hoping you don't fall. Something constant I've observed in the never-ending strings of arguments on NationStates and other message boards (GameFAQs among them, the place to get 18,000% of your daily value of pointless bickering) is that once one person has pissed off the entire board (or, in your case, the Mods [arguably worse]), they have zero chance of saving face, much less succeeding in convincing others of their correctness.

This is the part where you quietly withdraw, and give everyone (especially yourself) some time to cool down. In all honesty, I've never seen anyone take the opportunity to back off when it would be the wisest decision, and I don't think you're going to be the first.

I'd like it if you proved me wrong.

Frankly, I'm sick of your accusations against the moderators, especially GMC Military Arms, for being bias against 'right-wingers'. The moderators themselves are full of people in any side of the spectrum; right-wing, left-wing, centrist, whatever.

I don't think there are any conservative moderators.

You'd really fit in with the mods, you make decisions based on personal opinions too, just like when Attica was banned from IRC because you disagreed with him.

Regardless, I'm going to report every rule violation I see in a seperate thread.



You should be banned for spamming because you plan to spam the forums.

You should be banned for spamming because you plan to spam the forums.
Moderation staff is perfectly capable of determining who should be banned without such suggestions, particularly in the Moderation forum. Give it a break, New Granada.

I don't think there are any conservative moderators.

*points upwards at his post*

I don't think there are any conservative moderators.

Hack, Menelmacar...?

What worries me is that people still freek out over Moderators political " bias " ... like it actually matters. Since they never listen when some one says " yes, but they never exercise their bias, do they ? ". Then of course some one says OMG YUS DEY DOOO ! Because their not happy with a recent or past case out-come, and then it all just goes to shit and eventually gets locked.

[/rant] :p

Hack, Menelmacar...?Are both horrible socialists, democrats, liberals, communists and potential stalinists, so long as they don't support Kahta's views regarding women's rights, various ethnic groups and other such things.

Obviously.

I don't think there are any conservative moderators.

Irrelevant. The ability to moderate lies in one's ability to set aside those beliefs. In truth, it's not that difficult to ignore politics while moderating. If we wanted to make enemies and opress people we'd have much more effective means of doing so than anything you've seen us do.

The fact of the matter remains that you're more or less attacking our collective ability to seperate politics from any decision we make regarding this game, and it's a tried and failed accusation.

Also, when you complain about the Moderators being largely left wing, I'm tempted to point out that a very healthy percentage of our players also fall into this category. I'm a Libertarian myself, and it's not really any of my concern what the other Moderators think about politics.

If you're lamenting the lack of Calvinist mods or whatver, this is regrettably true. Perhaps this is because a crippling prejudice against the vast majority of the earth's population is a staple in their thinking. Generally, a side effect of hating everyone tends to be a lot of people hating you in return. We don't particulary mind these people as long as they can toe the line between expressing their beliefs and flamebaitng. Granted this is pretty hard to do in most cases, especially when you take into account the prevalent left-wing presence in General.

This is probably the reason why you get so many flames: I'd be surprised if you honestly expected to be able to rant like you have on a site like this and get away with it.

I'd be surprised if you honestly expected to be able to rant like you have on a site like this and get away with it.

I smell the faint scent of a friendly warning here :p

Okay... I will seriously admit I have no idea what a Calvinist is... however, I will also admit I am rather right-winged in my thoughts and ideals (as my sig will show)

I futhermore will say I've never once felt discriminated against by the Moderators, I feel that all of the ones I have delt with, reguardless of their political standing, have been truely neutral in any dispute.

I have seen as much nazi spam deleted as I have seen commie, pro-black versus pro-white, etc... so I really dont think this arguement has any basis as I have seen several mods say...

Personally... I think you should just take a quick breather, re-read some of the moderator rulings in the past, and you will see that the right-thinking ones will treat the left the same as the right, and the left-thinking ones do too... as somone in this thread said already... isn't that the definition of a moderator? To MODERATE different sides of arguments reguardless of standing?

Quite frankly... I think they do a good job of keeping their personal feelings out of most debates, and look purely to the rules, and I am sure that if ever a case came up where they could not be purely neutral, they will tag off to one who can.