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I want to recover at least one telegram sent to me from Hirsute Satellites to use as evidence in an offsite forum. I can't because he is DOS and his telegrams get mod-logged. Is there any way I can actually see the modlog or recover one telegram from him, preferably one in which Hirsute Satellites refers to himself as "the public accountant" or some such nonsense?

I don't think it would be appropriate for the Moderation staff to enable or participate in off-forum harrassment.

Let me explain the situtation. A player (Hirsute Satellites) has been sending me telegrams via Nationstates. Some of these telegrams have contained death threats and abusive language. He is now claiming, in an off-site forum, that he is not this player. Yet, if I had only one telegram from the mod-log, I would categorically prove that it was the same person. All I am asking is for please is access to the mod-log that was created from my personal in-box in nationstates or just one telegram from Hirsute Satellites with a reference either to the death threat or his claim of being the "public accountant" there are several such references, any would do.

Thanks.

What you do or don't do on an off-site forum isn't going to be fed by the moderators here; it's not their jurisdiction.

Ok thank you, it was the moderators who removed the offensive telegrams from my in-box, I never asked them to remove them although I appreciate them removing the harrassment anyway. I figured I could get back the telegrams which are essentially mine or at least view them temporarily so that I might use them for whatever purpose.

NationStates Moderators
Received: 13 days ago OK, here's the deal. I think you're being harassed by more than one person. Hirsute Satellites is now a Delete on Sight account, so if you encounter this player again please forward his information to us so we may take action.

The "Cape Brenton" accounts seem to be a different person, from what I can see. Keep us informed of them as well. I'm going to go ahead and clear out your telegram inbox so that it's on the modlog for future reference.

And while I understand the mods don't themselves participate or rule on anything that has to do with off-site forums, I figured this situation was pretty compelling. I'm not even really asking them to get involved, just asking them to enable me to defend myself, that's all.

Thanks for your clarification, I just hope that the defender group who sponsors this off-site forum sees my side of the story for being factually true without having to provide any specific evidence.

Thanks again.

Is there something preventing you copy/pasting tg's to a file for your own reference? A screen shot, possibly? Granted, it's gone now, but at the time you had every opportunity to make your own arrangements first, one would think.

I've no idea what the mods would be willing to do on all this, but I personally would suggest that you take the initiative to cover your bases as best you can on your own in addition to seeking assistance from here on out.

If you take what steps you can to protect yourself and keep records, you don't have to rely on others to do it for you, neh?

from my limited understanding of mod speek, i believe that what that tg from them might have ment is that they deated them and made a note some where of the fact you recieved a cirten type of tg, who it was from, and the fact they deated it

Is there something preventing you copy/pasting tg's to a file for your own reference? A screen shot, possibly? Granted, it's gone now, but at the time you had every opportunity to make your own arrangements first, one would think.

Thank you for your reply. I did save the telegrams, the mods removed them from my inbox when they created the mod-log. In this particular case, I wasn't given notification they would be taken, they were just removed. I didn't object at the time and dont, still. In the future, yes I probably will save all the death threats and offending telegrams,

But the telegrams are technically my telegrams, not the mods. I think I should have some access to them.

from my limited understanding of mod speek, i believe that what that tg from them might have ment is that they deated them and made a note some where of the fact you recieved a cirten type of tg, who it was from, and the fact they deated it

Thanks for your reply. If they deated them, I wouldnt really mind but I would just like to know from the mods what exactly happened. So, if the mods could please reply, I would appreciate it greatly. Thanks.

But the telegrams are technically my telegrams, not the mods. I think I should have some access to them.

Actually, since the site is owned by Max Barry, they're his property. ;)

Thank you for your reply :rolleyes: , can I hear from a mod and mod only? Thanks.

Terms and conditions say that I am entitled to my having my privacy protected. It says:

You may submit content to NationStates.net so long as it is not obscene, illegal, threatening, malicious, or defamatory, does not invade the privacy or infringe the intellectual property of a third party, and does not constitute "spam."

So, presumably the privacy of individual players of nationstates is to be respected. Rummaging through and deleting players' telegrams would be not so respectfull of players' privacy. Furthermore, telegrams would be the intellectual property of both the sender and recipient.

It's not really such a big deal, I just want to know what happened to them and if I can get them back. Promise not sue :p

Terms and conditions say that I am entitled to my having my privacy protected.

Not quite true. You are entitled to have your privacy protected from other users (i.e. we will punish anyone giving out personal information about another player without their permission), but any information submitted to NationStates (including telegrams) is there free for our perusal. (Although we don't do this, out of respect for players' privacy.)

All actions a moderator makes are logged, so when your telegram inbox was cleared, all the contents of it when it was cleared would have been logged. This means we can go back and search for it.

Thank you for your reply :rolleyes: , can I hear from a mod and mod only? Thanks.

Funny how you edited that smilie in there... ;)

Furthermore, telegrams would be the intellectual property of both the sender and recipient.

Incorrect. Telegrams are the IP of the sender only. The recipient can't even reproduce them without explicit permission. Given the conditions under which we use this site, permission would seem to be granted to reproduce them for the mods, but not for other purposes without prior explicit consent.

Thank you Myrth, and thank you to everyone for their clarifications

Noting that Myrth actually didn't answer your very first question [lazyass! :p], allow me.

I doubt very much we'd do this. We're not interested in vindicating a user on an offsite board with such information: indeed we generally prefer to keep rules infractions between us and the offender when possible. Since Breton is a DoS we can list his offesnses and MO so people have a better shot at identifying him, but the telegrams we saved were more for our own reference than anyone else's.

Hi, Thank you Melknor for your reply. I will defer to your better judgment, in my opinion, it really is my telegram, my right to do with it as I wish. I never asked a mod to remove that information from my inbox. And, by not giving me the telegram, you are favoring the other side of the dispute.

And, just to clarify, I'm looking for info on Hirsute Satellites. My objective is connecting the nation known as "the pubic moons" to Hirsute Satellites, which I can do as long as you can return my telegrams that reveal Hirsute Satellites referring to himself as "the public accountant." it's a long story, just trust me here ;)

Since Breton is a DoS we can list his offesnses and MO so people have a better shot at identifying him, but the telegrams we saved were more for our own reference than anyone else's.

Perhaps I should approach this a different way. Could you please list the offenses and MO of Breton and Hirsute Satellites? Thanks.

Perhaps I should approach this a different way. Could you please list the offenses and MO of Breton and Hirsute Satellites? Thanks.Not that I speak for them, but I'm pretty sure the Moderation staff has a pretty solid privacy policy. They're not going to discuss the infractions of players with anyone but the players themselves.

Standard Disclaimer: I am not a Moderator. I am a Pepper. Wouldn't you like to be a Pepper too?

Thank you for your reply, my quote above was of a moderator, the quote said that they would consider releasing the M/O of DOS nations. Perhaps, could I hear from a moderator now? Thanks.

Um...

Being that you were the target of this player's aggression, you probably know better than even me how he operates and what he does. He sends you nasty telegramsn and/or death threats, and we delete him. What else is there to say really?

Thank you, even moderator confirmation would be appreciated. Such as, could you confirm that Hirsute Satellites called himself "the public accountant"? (moderator only need reply)

I do appreciate your honesty, I do appreciate knowing what has happened to the telegrams I'm looking for, and just would appreciate it if, in the future, you asked before you deleted anying in my in box. Thanks.

Your question is, as I suspect, fishing for evidence for your off-site inquisition.

it's really none of your business, this question is for the mods, thank you

my off site inquisition? excuse me? I'm trying to figure out whether or not to let in a player to my region. I won't if he's a DOS player and guilty of sending me death threats.

I'll look into it, but as far as keeping your TG's is concerned, I'm afraid you don't have much say in that regard. We reserve the right to delete or copy any inappropriate telegrams for our reference. If you want to keep it, take a screenshot.

Thank you, and thank your reply and consideration. I do think that you are being fair and appreciate your advice. You mods are really busy and under-appreciated.