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I don't know what it says, but I'm guessing its not nice.

Yeah, probably not.

Let me get this straight Kahta. You are reporting a post that you cannot even read, much less a post that has nothing to do with you? Please. Do not waste our time.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8199753&postcount=102

I don't know what it says, but I'm guessing its not nice.

http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/translation/finnish/kahta

Time to ease off on the paranoia, perchance?

http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/translation/finnish/kahta

Time to ease off on the paranoia, perchance?

Paranoia doesn't preclude the possibility of people being out get him. ;)

Seriously, you run word searches for your name just to find things to be offended by?

Seriously, you run word searches for your name just to find things to be offended by?
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8074848&postcount=5

Seriously, you run word searches for your name just to find things to be offended by?

Look at the post above me, and below you.

Look at the post above me, and below you.
well, then there's your problem :).

The post(s) you reported are not even close to flaming. Perkeleenmaa is just kidding around. The parts you don't understand mean nothing, really. The "Swedish" looking one is gibberish, and the Finnish quote that has my name in front of it means: "there are two things I won't change; awkward attitude and awkward attitude, damnit!". Hardly a flame.

Furthermore, that thread is propably the most civilized one in this site. You do not have to worry. :)

So, the number "two" in Finnish is "kahta"?

--The Democratic States of Cogitation

'Kaksi' is two in Finnish... but depending of usage, it bends to 'kahta' too. 'Kahta' would be like... 'of two'. In my post 'kahta' means: I wouldn't get rid of two things... yada yada yada.

No offense to you Kahta, but I haven't heard of you before. So... I wouldn't refer to you in my posts. I understand you do searches to find posts with your name in them. That's ok. That's how I found your post in here. :D

If you find your name in the Finnish thread again, just don't worry, we probably aren't talking about you... thenagain...

Are there any NS rules that are in effect for nations that over-report violations that prove to be false/unwarranted?

Are there any NS rules that are in effect for nations that over-report violations that prove to be false/unwarranted?

I don't believe so, written, that is, but I'm sure it can get extremely annoying for the moderators...

Maybe there should be some sort of advice somewhere, to advise against this, and to only report things when absolutely necessary.

Are there any NS rules that are in effect for nations that over-report violations that prove to be false/unwarranted?

No. I've cut back on my reports, I've only made a few in the last week.

No. I've cut back on my reports, I've only made a few in the last week.

I wasn't referring to you specifically, but others, too.

Are you even going to admit that you made a mistake here? I mean, you did after all, see where searching for your name even day went wrong, right?

Are you even going to admit that you made a mistake here? I mean, you did after all, see where searching for your name even day went wrong, right?

Searching daily for your name itself isn't really the error here - not consulting a Finnish-English dictionary or asking for a translation before calling in the hammer of the mods is probably the mistake, surely?

I don't believe so, written, that is, but I'm sure it can get extremely annoying for the moderators...

Maybe there should be some sort of advice somewhere, to advise against this, and to only report things when absolutely necessary.

Possibly. Then again, I think for the most part, people use common sense. What has to be taken into consideration is involvement as well, in some cases. Take for example, someone who happens to be very active, say in the General forum, in many threads. They will be, by nature, more likely to come across actionable offenses than someone who is only involved in a thread or two, or who keeps more to themselves.

People like Kahta, who is on the record as making frequent searches and reporting even the most minor of possible infractions that happen to chafe his hide, are quite a bit different from the above example.

Like I said to begin with, I think most folks do use common sense. For those that don't, I'm sure the mods are more than capable of handling any situations that come up concerning overposting complaints and wasting time if they find it to be a problem, without having to write down more 'rules' and all. All things considered, a case by case basis is likely more fair-minded overall.

[EDIT] As for not consulting a translator or the like ... I suppose one could chalk it up to a) being overly paranoid and b) not having the forethought to make the attempt at translating, or asking before crying wolf.

Not everyone thinks before they type - more's the pity.

-snip-

When posting a thread in Moderation about a possible rule violation in any of the other forums, one needs to put themselves in the specific players situation, such as when someone is flaming someone else. If they do so, and they feel as if they would be offended, then they It'd be so much easier, as you say, if everyone just used common sense, however, there are a few people on here who specifically keep watch at certain people that they don't agree with, politically or morally. Then there are people who go crazy and use the search function to their advantage...

Anyways, I do agree with you on the fact that there shouldn't be more specific rules on exactly what to post, and that the moderators will deal with said person if they become a nuisance in posting the supposed 'violations'.

There are a few people out there who do post a heck of a lot in the Moderation forum, such as Neo-Anarchists, but he/she doesn't actually use searches to find it. He/she posts in the General forum, for the most part, and probably reads a lot more of the threads than most people. Neo-Anarchists seems to be a pretty big help, in my honest opinion. There's a difference between actually knowing what the General forum is all about, and just looking for 'trouble'.

Why do people post so much here, anyways? The report button is there for a reason after all.

Why do people post so much here, anyways? The report button is there for a reason after all.

Actually, all the report button does is send violations to the general Jolt staff - not NS staff. It's been said numerous times before to report forum violations here, in-game violations to the GHP. Don't use the little red triangle. ;)

...and the fact that most mods have said they ignore alerts from Jolt.

I wasn't referring to you specifically, but others, too.

Are you even going to admit that you made a mistake here? I mean, you did after all, see where searching for your name even day went wrong, right?


I admit that I made a mistake in a number of my reports, because I was reporting people that I didn't agree with. I have apologized to the mods for it on IRC.

Let me get this straight Kahta. You are reporting a post that you cannot even read, much less a post that has nothing to do with you? Please. Do not waste our time.

Would posting "Kahta" in in random places in posts in odd threads be considered flamebait?

ie I don't believe Bush meant Kahta that when he said ....

Actually, all the report button does is send violations to the general Jolt staff - not NS staff. It's been said numerous times before to report forum violations here, in-game violations to the GHP. Don't use the little red triangle. ;)

Oh, ok.

Edit: Re the above post, I see no reason why it would be since you arn't saying anything good OR bad about him. Sure, it'd screw up his namesearches, but that's his problem :)

Oh, ok.

Edit: Re the above post, I see no reason why it would be since you arn't saying anything good OR bad about him. Sure, it'd screw up his namesearches, but that's his problem :)

What if alot of people started doing this?

Let me get this straight Kahta. You are reporting a post that you cannot even read, much less a post that has nothing to do with you? Please. Do not waste our time.


It could be an insult in another langague.

What if alot of people started doing this?


Moderators have recomended against doing that in the past.

It could be an insult in another langague.

Be sure you report it then.

Moderators have recomended against doing that in the past.


When? Show me.

It could be an insult in another langague.

That's the thing. It could be, but if you aren't 100% sure of it, then don't post it in the Moderation forum. The moderators already have enough to deal with, when people post in here requesting everything possible, without even looking at the stickies, and it doesn't help when you're reporting things that don't necessarily need to be reported. If its something bad in another language, how about you figure out what it is, and determine what it means yourself, and if its bad, then report it. You're only giving the moderators more work than they already have.

Posting rule violations from any of the other forums, in the Moderation forum is to help out the moderators, seeing as they can't be everywhere at once. There's a difference between helping them out, and making things more complicated by posting things you aren't even sure about. I suggest you only report those that you are 100% sure are violating NS rules.

Ok. My name is Word Games. So when someone posts "word games are spam" I should get all insulted and post in Moderation? What if it's a mOd?

Ok. My name is Word Games. So when someone posts "word games are spam" I should get all insulted and post in Moderation? What if it's a mOd?

Do it, and I'll report every single case of it in seperate threads.

Do it, and I'll report every single case of it in seperate threads.

? Are you threatening me ?

Do it, and I'll report every single case of it in seperate threads.

Don't you think you're being a little paranoid right now? Threatening to do such a thing, especially by posting this in the moderation forum isn't smart. At all. The fact that your name may be mentioned in a bunch of threads is childish, however, if you report them all in separate threads, you're only proving to be just as much of a child as them.

Would posting "Kahta" in in random places in posts in odd threads be considered flamebait?

ie I don't believe Bush meant Kahta that when he said ....
It would be considered spam.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Don't you think you're being a little paranoid right now? Threatening to do such a thing, especially by posting this in the moderation forum isn't smart. At all. The fact that your name may be mentioned in a bunch of threads is childish, however, if you report them all in separate threads, you're only proving to be just as much of a child as them.

They've told me I'm within my rights to do that.

? Are you threatening me ?

No. I'm saying what I would do.

It would be considered spam.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

What is the first post in this thread considered? I see it a spam.

They've told me I'm within my rights to do that.You may be within your rights to do so, but exercising those rights at every conceivable opportunity (even when you're not sure you've actually been flamed) creates a lot of work for the Moderators, and demonstrates a poor mindset in my opinion.

The ideal is that people will be able to handle themselves and the discussions they enter without resorting to Moderator intervention. It's called policing ourselves. Clearly, the addition of Moderators to the forum indicate that some people have difficulty doing this, but that doesn't mean we should abuse them. Running to the Moderation forum to report everything involving yourself that you don't like says to me that you're more interested in abusing the system than contributing anything meaningful.

I understand you're probably unhappy with what I've just written here, but I think you should consider it carefully. You may be within your rights, but abusing them is still a problem.

Standard Disclaimer: I am not a Moderator. I will never be a Moderator. I do not claim to speak for them.

What is the first post in this thread considered? I see it a spam.

Most of what you post tends to be spam, WG. Do you perhaps have anything topical and meaningful to add here, or is your presence intended simply to try and bait Kahta, possibly provoke the mods, or give yourself another excuse to just type in a few practically pointless words in your usual shoot and run tactic?

Kahta's first post is an attempt, albeit a rather lame one, to make a report. Your first post here was something else entirely. In either case, it would seem Cog gave you your answer pretty plainly.

You may be within your rights to do so, but exercising those rights at every conceivable opportunity (even when you're not sure you've actually been flamed) creates a lot of work for the Moderators, and demonstrates a poor mindset in my opinion.

The ideal is that people will be able to handle themselves and the discussions they enter without resorting to Moderator intervention. It's called policing ourselves. Clearly, the addition of Moderators to the forum indicate that some people have difficulty doing this, but that doesn't mean we should abuse them. Running to the Moderation forum to report everything involving yourself that you don't like says to me that you're more interested in abusing the system than contributing anything meaningful.

I understand you're probably unhappy with what I've just written here, but I think you should consider it carefully. You may be within your rights, but abusing them is still a problem.

Standard Disclaimer: I am not a Moderator. I will never be a Moderator. I do not claim to speak for them.

And I don't make a new thread for every thing that I see. I don't add someone's name to every post either.

Most of what you post tends to be spam, WG. Do you perhaps have anything topical and meaningful to add here, or is your presence intended simply to try and bait Kahta, possibly provoke the mods, or give yourself another excuse to just type in a few practically pointless words in your usual shoot and run tactic?

Kahta's first post is an attempt, albeit a rather lame one, to make a report. Your first post here was something else entirely. In either case, it would seem Cog gave you your answer pretty plainly.

Well stated. I know he's trying to bait me because he disagrees with me politically.

Um ... no, Kahta. He does this sort of thing all over. You are being used as an example because you happen to BE the topical example here. Hate to burst your bubble, but I doubt politics has much to do with it. You're just the flavor of the hour. And frankly, with your posting habits and manners, you tend to make yourself an easy target.

In any case, earlier statements stand. It is best when we can police ourselves, and use common sense to avoid cluttering up the tasklist and the moderation forum with frivolous problems that we could likely clear up ourselves, or at least have a thick enough skin, or sense of humor, or tolerance, or patience, or what have you to overlook whatever niggling irritant happens to be on the plate.

I hope this isn't considered span, but I just wanted to say that DLN's post is very correct from what I have seen in my lurking.