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Question: If a native leaves a region on his/her own volition, has he/she forfeited her status as a native should he/she return to the region?

A native? Which natives? Do you mean, like, native Pakistanies? please clarify.

no, like in nationstates. Like native x decides to leave region x. Just gets up and leaves. That's a forfeiting of native status, right? So if former native x returns to region x, they no longer can claim native status?

Interesting question. If they intended on coming back, offhand, I would say 'no'. But then, I'm not as well-versed in regional politics as some.

Take for example the Grendels, currently on a NationStates tour of visiting other regions. I doubt very much that anyone would say they were not a Wisteria native upon their return, however far down the road that may be when they've finished travelling.

I've known more than one nation to do similar things, for one reason or other. Even so far as those who work as defenders and all leaving temporarily to go help support folks in another region, then returning. Would that mean they lose their native status? Doesn't exactly seem right, but hey.

I suppose it more has to do with the particular politics of the region and the reason why you're asking. *shrugs* I'm sure someone who knows the rules better will offer a more in-depth and accurate response. Just thought I'd toss in those ideas to see if they had any bearing on it.

A native? Which natives? Do you mean, like, native Pakistanies? please clarify.

Ok. Seriously, this is the Moderation forum; of course the question pertains to nativity status in a NS region. ;)

Let's say, for example, one nation announces on the Regional HQ "I am quitting this region." That's a pretty definitive statement expressing "I'm no longer a native here." But let's say that, rather than declaring their intentions, they say nothing, they just leave the region. They can't just return to the region and declare themselves entitled to full native status now that they left and returned, can they?

What the hell is native status?

What the hell is native status?
Alexias, if you don't undertstand the question, you probably don't need to be posting against this thread. The people responding are addressing the topic, you are simply spamming.

Native status is an essential part of the invasion game. Read the stickies, please.

You're comparing two different things there entirely, and frankly, it seems a little silly - especially after watching you scramble to find any and every excuse to keep certain nations out of your region for whatever reasons you have in posts here in moderation.

Lets look at the differences here for a moment, just for the sake of discussion.
"I am quitting this region." That's a pretty definitive statement expressing "I'm no longer a native here."
No, not really. It is a statement saying 'I am quitting this region', which could be anything from a hasty statement made in anger, or a serious one. Given that they have not said 'I am giving up my native status', you can't really claim that's what they meant, nor claim to know what their reasonings or intentions were past the statement of leaving without getting more info from them.
But let's say that, rather than declaring their intentions, they say nothing, they just leave the region. They can't just return to the region and declare themselves entitled to full native status now that they left and returned, can they?
No intentions declared? See my previous post. There is no way you can sit there and say 'this is what they meant by that' if you do not know, or if their intentions have not been stated by them clearly.

In my opinion, this seems another effort by yourself to find any excuse possible to exploit or get around the rules so you can have your way. Previous threads have shown your dogged efforts at trying to exert control over this region, and many discussions have seemed to end up not giving you clear permission to handle things as you seem to want to.

Now mind, this is all just opinion based on what I've seen posted here in Moderation alone, and no more. And as I'm not a mod, and as I don't know the rules front to back, that's all it's worth - just another opinion.

Best of luck finding a proper solution, regardless.

the rhetoric aside, I'm asking questions because I dont know the answers to these rules and I wish to make decisions that are in compliance with the rules. It's a question that clearly has a hazy answer at least so far as the rules are presently layed out, that's why I'm seeking clarification.

Also, Im just asking the question in advance (and in anticipation) of the scenario. The situation that I am imagining hasn't come up yet (although it could).

My motivation for this approach was when Cpl Canada, a former native of North Atlantic, sent me a menacing telegram telling me that he intended to find any rule he could to get me deleted. Believing that approach to be extreme but taking it seriously anyway, I have since come to the moderation forum before taking action so that I might comply with the rules and avoid any punishment. I have always followed exactly what the moderators have ruled.

Now, like you said, it's unknowable what people's intentions really are. The rules are generally set up to act as a guide post in the absence of knowing those intentions. it'd be rather constraining to have to poll every single player what their intentions were when the left a region. So it'd be nice if there was some framework from the rule makers so that in such a situation I knew what was legal and what was not.

Question: If a native leaves a region on his/her own volition, has he/she forfeited her status as a native should he/she return to the region?
One of the principles I've seen used by the mods to handle invasion issues is that natives should be free to leave and return to their own region unhindered. It seems to me that regarding natives to immediately lose their native status the moment they leave their region would be in contradiction with that principle.

This does not mean native status should be everlasting, but I've never seen a specific time period set for it.

Ballotonia

Ok thank you!