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Moderators, I beg of you to PLEASE HELP! This is my second plea for assistance and this time it is more serious than the first. In brief of the first, a fellow member (The Protectorate of Ephland) of my region (Athenasia) posted a *private* IM conversation to the regional message board. It was ruled a no-no and removed by the mods.

THIS TIME, however, the person is at it again. While he hasn't posted a private conversation he (The Protectorate of Ephland) very clearly writes, "My character defamation was not attempted--it was successful." He has written several long and defamaing and malicious emails all directed at me personally. This is *not* any in-game play. It is very real and very horrible.

Under the Etiquette section of the FAQ, it states:
What can't I post?
Any content that is:
obscene
illegal
threatening
malicious
**defamatory** (emphasis added, note his quote above)
spam

My moderators, I beg for you to QUICKLY and SPEEDILY resolve this. This personal has turned our regional message board into his personal venue for repeated and constant harassing and defamatory remarks against me. Please, I beg of you to step in. The stress I am feeling is horrendous (due part, to the fact, that a large group of real-life friends post in there).

Being this is his second such major infraction, I must as for a serious intervention.

I sincerely thank you,
B Stone/ Flower Stoned Hippies

1 day ago The Disputed Territories of Flower Stoned Hippies Qesef, while freaking out, wrote, "So Eph messed up. He also apologized."

Please show me where Eph apologized. I saw nothing of the sort. As it sits now, Eph posted a undeniably private IM conversation, states his lack of care for the gravity of how wrong it was, and I have yet to see an apology.

/me waits
1 day ago The Empire of Wulf And Kurn It's been buried for a while now, but I'm pretty sure I saw him actually write something along the lines of 'I've been chastised, I was wrong.' I think I saw an apology as well.
1 day ago The Protectorate of Ephland FSH: "In response to Qesef, Eph's action was clearly permeditated. If you read the IM, you saw where he said he would post it despite clear and undeniable statements by me saving he had utterly no permission to do so. So this idea that he "didn't realize that what he was doing was wrong" is laughable."
Ephland: "Read FSH's last post carefully. Notice that FSH is conflating two very distinct concepts: Doing what Stone does not like and doing something wrong."
FSH "Read Ephland's post carefully. Notice he has not denied premeditated posting of a clearly private IM conversation. If you also read the IM, you would see where Eph stated his indifference to it being wrong and "not caring if i burn in hell" (aka admission of guilt for a wrongdoing)."

Now you want people reading the IM? It's a shame the region's members cannot consult the original, since an anonymous informer brought the post to the attention of the moderators. Of course, I could repost it if you want to strengthen your case.

I want to clarify my apology:
* I am sorry for involving the region in a private spat between Stone and myself--I let him push my buttons.
* As the moderators said--posting that conversation was in bad form, and I acknowledge and regret taking such an action.
* I do not acknowledge that my action was as serious as Stone and STR claim. Those of us who know those two are aware of their(his?) proclivity for certain tactics and techniques which make rational discussion rather difficult. Witness the (non)-response to several reasonable posts and questions by people other than myself in recent days.
1 day ago The Protectorate of Ephland (continuation of last post)
...I am not acknowleding that my deed was as heinous as Stone/STR make out. I am not inclined to debate that point, for the reason given above. However, in this case silence is not assent.
14 hours ago The Disputed Territories of Flower Stoned Hippies But still no apology to Stone (me) for the posting of a private IM conversation and attempted character defamation. Sigh....
13 hours ago The Dominion of WulfKurn there has to be character to defamate
13 hours ago The Dominion of WulfKurn :-D
13 hours ago The Dominion of WulfKurn hehhe defamate
6 hours ago The Protectorate of Ephland You have a lot of chutzpah. You elevate pushing my buttons to an art form. You accuse me of lying. You take a public pose of saint-like innocence. When I attempt to break that illusion you demand an apology from me. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. AS STR observed, you've put way too much time into nagging and hounding and harrassing and confusing me.

You irrationally persist in being yourself. You ignore every logical argument or insight that myself and others have posted on these boards. You never take off your magic "stoneview" glasses, which causes everything in the world to look different. At the same time, you persist in believing everyone else wears the same spectacles. Talking with you is like talking to a brick wall (dare I say, "stone wall"?). Everyone who knows you well has had such frustrating conversations--though most have shown more wisdom than me in resigning themselves to this.

My character defamation was not attempted--it was successful. But not half as successful as your reaction is. You are your own worst enemy, be it an act that has become truth or a genuine disconnect from reality.

Conversations between people do not have the confidentiality of legally or halachically privileged communication. It will take more than your assertions to prove otherwise. In fact, those who know you well will recognize the wisdom of assuming that what you say is incorrect until proven otherwise. If you want more of an apopoly, take me to court or take me to beis din and prove that what I did was more than ill-mannered.

My post was a response to your provocation, which you have yet to acknowledge or offer regret for. I owe you no personal apology beyond what I already offered, for acting in bad form.

heh heh--defamate
33 minutes ago The Disputed Territories of Flower Stoned Hippies The man posts an undeniably private IM conversation, the mods remove it calling it "bad form" and yet he states no apology is necessary. Who is the one being illogical and irraitonal? Heh.

I see a lot of bickering going on from both sides. The both of you will stop.

Am I clear?

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

He has written several long and defamaing and malicious emails all directed at me personally. This is *not* any in-game play. It is very real and very horrible.Unfortunately, the Moderators cannot act based on personal emails. As I understand matters, it is outside the scope of their powers or responsibilities. However, you can report this fellow to his ISP for being harrassing and abusive. Forward the messages to the PostMaster account, ie postmaster@his_email.domain (the latter part being an example, a better example would be postmaster@gmail.com) to report his abuses.

Standard Disclaimer: I am not a Moderator. I will never be a Moderator. I do not claim to speak for them.

Dear Moderators,
I utterly and absolutely assure you, the source of all this "bickering" is the sick and twisted mindset of Ephland. He comes out of nowhere with these long, involved, defamatory and malicious postings- all directed at me. He admits they are defaming and seems to get some sort of sick and disgusting satisfaction of out this. The moment he calms down or goes away, gameplay resumes and all is normal.

What I beg and plea and hope for is for the moderators to quickly become involved in silencing Ephland from any further personal attacks against me. There are a million ways for people to contact each other. The Nation States message board is not one of them!

Thank you and sincerely,
Flower Stoned Hippies

Dear Moderators,
I utterly and absolutely assure you, the source of all this "bickering" is the sick and twisted mindset of Ephland. He comes out of nowhere with these long, involved, defamatory and malicious postings- all directed at me. He admits they are defaming and seems to get some sort of sick and disgusting satisfaction of out this. The moment he calms down or goes away, gameplay resumes and all is normal.

What I beg and plea and hope for is for the moderators to quickly become involved in silencing Ephland from any further personal attacks against me. There are a million ways for people to contact each other. The Nation States message board is not one of them!

Thank you and sincerely,
Flower Stoned HippiesWhatever your provocation, you're part of the problem. Cogitation has identified what you've both been doing wrong: it's now up to you to keep up your end of the deal. I suggest you listen to him.

No matter what he says to or about you, it's up to you to behave a mature manner. If you use his behaviour as an excuse to behave poorly, then you'll both have trouble with the Moderators. Just keep your nose clean and let the Mods deal with him.

Standard Disclaimer: Same as before.

Gracious.

If I had a nickle for every time I had been attacked or 'defamed' or teased or argued with or had lies or misinformation spread about me on this site, my pockets would be heavy with coinage by now.

And if I had gone to the mods with every one of those incidents and cried foul, I'd have likely been told by now to stop spamming moderation with things I could likely take care of and handle myself.

It takes two to continue an argument. While I can totally understand wanting to defend your honor and all that, having done so numerous times myself, there comes a point where someone has to take a stand, and just let it go. If your opponent is so rabidly intent on going after you, it'll become more than clear, and eventually, they'll likely just be seen as shooting themselves in the foot over it with continued idiocy.

Best of luck on the situation - and a suggestion that y'all listen to Cog. Usually his responses tend to seem a big more warm and cuddly, so for him to come right out and say 'now' probably means he's pretty damn serious about it.

(No, not trying to speak for the mods or suck up or anything like that - just offering what I hope can be helpful advice.)

Best of luck on the situation - and a suggestion that y'all listen to Cog. Usually his responses tend to seem a bit more warm and cuddly, so for him to come right out and say 'now' probably means he's pretty damn serious about it.
[Spelling corrected, as indicated in bold.]

You know me so well. :D

--The Democratic States of Cogitation

Doh ... this is what I get for typing whilst watching my lil guy play Ratchet and Clank: Going Commando. :D

Um ... yus. A BIT more warm and cuddly. Seeing as he usually seems about as warm and cuddly as one could wish overall. And stuff. *ahem*

*mutters about typos and such. grr. argh.*

If I had a nickle for every time I had been attacked or 'defamed' or teased or argued with or had lies or misinformation spread about me on this site, my pockets would be heavy with coinage by now.

Ditto. Same for me, grow a thicker skin.

The insane thing about this person, Ephland, is he comes up with these long, involved and defaming posts *out of nowhere*. Things are doing along and suddenly BANG a private IM conversation in posted, or he writes an essay on how I am "irrational and illogical", or, more clearly, posts defaming and malicious comments about me. Now this isn't just the odd statement of "you suck", but this is rather a calculated individual who spends many hours trying to make attacks on me- any venue, any place, any time.

One might go as far as to call it legal harassment. I have thought of going to the authorities as his continued attacks and attempted character assassination are indeed very disturbing. The scope of this all, obviously, goes well beyond NS. My hope, dream and plea is to be able to play this game without the continued harassing posts and statements made by Ephland about myself.

Moderators, lend me your ears. PLEASE ASSIST!

I would suggest not IMing this person so that s/he cannot post your private conversations. Other than that, there's nothing more for us to do. We cannot control people's behaviour off site, and the IM post was deleted.

One might go as far as to call it legal harassment. I have thought of going to the authorities as his continued attacks and attempted character assassination are indeed very disturbing.

That is, of course, an option. Treznor, above, has suggested exactly how you might do so.