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We've pleaded...begged...demanded...and even blackmailed for some type of democracy to come upon NS so that we can decide who the moderators are.

We've been denied it too long.

I say, why because some big-shot mods say we can't elect a mod that we can't elect one anyways?

Here's what I think...we elect a user to be a mod, a mod which we will ALL throw our support upon him/her. Back him/her up through thick and thin. If that person says something, WE WILL DO IT! If that person says a topic should be closed, we will make topics on the Mod forum demanding that the topic be closed. etc. etc.

I do not have the time to organize such an operation, just to throw the idea out. But since we have a lot of successful voting threads, I figured that this may be something that the General forum would like to see through.

Now please, I'll say it now.

THIS IS NOT A POPULARITY CONTEST!

We're electing people based on how much trust and respect we give to the person that we will throw our support on. Remember, if we can actually make this the least bit successful, Max Barry himself might look down upon us and wonder "Why the hell not? Give em democracy..."

Eutrusca.

Eutrusca.
i negative second that

Vive le Revolucion Democracia

Eutrusca.

This would be a wise decision.

Before I forget, another thing...

Nominees must be at least 5 months old. I really cannot see the point of having a newbie being elected...I mean really...they will laugh at us...

The "NS Local 8796" crowd are trying to do this sort of thing to. Talk to them about it, I'd think.

The "NS Local 8796" crowd are trying to do this sort of thing to. Talk to them about it, I'd think.
I don't want a club, I want a united General.

Besides, haven't they a little negative reputation already?

This is funny. Considering the state of the "monarchy" I don't think you have any leverage whatsoever. Heck, if they felt like it, they could delete you for breaching the topic. So yeah, good luck...

This is funny. Considering the state of the "monarchy" I don't think you have any leverage whatsoever. Heck, if they felt like it, they could delete you for breaching the topic. So yeah, good luck...
If they wanted to do it, they better do it within a week.

If this thing actually does gain huge support, then that will look terrible on their part if they actually decided to cut me off from the forum.

Besides, haven't they a little negative reputation already?
Yes, horribly so.

Great the Republicans want to take over NS general now too. :p

Myrth!

Oh, wait, nevermind.

Cog? Hack? Oooh, I know! Frisbeeteria!

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You realise, of course, that we Generalites don't actually have the power to give someone access to mod-powers. So this is all rather pointless and sillay.

I think its not a Mod problem, because they have to manage it by the guidelines they were given. I suppose thats by Max? There are minors on the site and they dont want to get into trouble by allowing what I will label "adult only'' conversation and topics. Also this is a free site, so maybe the amount of space they pay for to advertise via Nation States(cause that was Max's intentions with this....to get the word out on his books) is limited and that might be why they are so strict on spam threads and all. I think the rules are a little bit strict, but I can see why if its because of what I just said. I have heard people say that some Mods arent fair and behave differently and all that.....I cant say I've seen it firsthand. But I have only been here a few months, so I certainly am not the authority. I can see both sides. Why Mods have to have such rigid guidlines and also why members might like to chose their Moderators. I'll shut up now and go bum cookies off SHaed.

Yes, horribly so.
^.^

And very well deserved it is, too.

/biased opinion.

I'll shut up now and go bum cookies off SHaed.

You can stay here and do that ^.^
*gives Peech access to the harem's cookie jar*

lol Etrusca can be a nice guy and all sometimes, he may even have a good point now and then, but you cannot tell me he would be a fair judge as a moderator. He is usually teh first person to use an ad hominem attack when a liberal makes a post he doesnt agree with (usually stuff like anti bush administration threads).

this, however, is one contest in which the nominees must be able to withdraw. Matter of fact, it might be a little more prudent to do self nominations, only making it onto the ballot if your self-nom is seconded by another.

lol Etrusca can be a nice guy and all sometimes, he may even have a good point now and then, but you cannot tell me he would be a fair judge as a moderator. He is usually teh first person to use an ad hominem attack when a liberal makes a post he doesnt agree with (usually stuff like anti bush administration threads).
He doesn't ad hominem that much. And he generally listens to what's being said.

He doesn't ad hominem that much. And he generally listens to what's being said.
except you are biased

Es Lebe Freiheit! Es Lebe Demokratie!

Vive La Revolucion!

^.^

And very well deserved it is, too.

/biased opinion.
What with the whole "Extreme action before sensible action" thing...

You can stay here and do that ^.^
*gives Peech access to the harem's cookie jar*


ooooh! YAY! thanks love! *chomps cookies*

didnt you say you had some caramels in there too? *peeks in Shaeds secret pocket of goodies*

except you are biased
Of course, but you are too. So am I. We're all biased.

He doesn't ad hominem that much. And he generally listens to what's being said.


I'll only say this one more time


B.S. - he is known for ad hominem attacks - you know it yoruself because you said "that much". Thats bad enough even if it weren't all the time. There are better choices.

Although I don't see a problem witht eh mods. I don't have a problem with them, I have never had a warning as far as I can remember.

My support goes to Eutrusca. A mod need not be bipartisan to be a mod. Hell, look at Myrth.

Es Lebe Freiheit! Es Lebe Demokratie!

Vive La Revolucion!
It's a t. Not a c.

Of course, but you are too. So am I. We're all biased.
but hes biased because they both have the same political affiliation. and they all tend to stand around patting each other on the back for their opinions, right or wrong.

Hey..heres a thought.....Johnny Wadd as a mod. Wadd for Mod! would be his slogan. *LAUGHS*

Of course, but you are too. So am I. We're all biased.
I'm not.

Look, hasn't this been tried before?

This is a free site, run by a private company (Max Barry), and he can run it any way he pleases. The forum is not run by democracy - neither is any successful private enterprise. I've read some of the threads in Moderation, and I don't see you having much success here. Let's say this does become hugely popular, and then the current mods delete you. So what? May be somewhat of an uproar, may lose some people, but will be replaced by new ones eventually.

It's a t. Not a c.
.


I think he was speaking French....isnt it a C in French?

It's a t. Not a c.
It's Spanish, not French.

Hey..heres a thought.....Johnny Wadd as a mod. Wadd for Mod! would be his slogan. *LAUGHS*


lmfao!

PROLETARIANS OF ALL NATIONS, UNITE!
LONG LIVE THE GREAT OCTOBER SOCIALIST REVOLUTION!
LONG LIVE THE INDISSOLUTE UNION OF THE WORKING CLASS, THE PEASANTRY, AND THE INTELLIGENTSIA!
LONG LIVE......

Oh wait, wrong revolution.

Am I the only one here that sees something frankly Oedipal in this whole anti-mod campaign?

I'm just hopping on the bandwagon.

Am I the only one here that sees something frankly Oedipal in this whole anti-mod campaign?

yes

It's Spanish, not French.
Ah. Ok.

Look, hasn't this been tried before?

This is a free site, run by a private company (Max Barry), and he can run it any way he pleases. The forum is not run by democracy - neither is any successful private enterprise. I've read some of the threads in Moderation, and I don't see you having much success here. Let's say this does become hugely popular, and then the current mods delete you. So what? May be somewhat of an uproar, may lose some people, but will be replaced by new ones eventually.
Damn I hope I'm not on your side if I ever have to do something similar in real life.

PROLETARIANS OF ALL NATIONS, UNITE!
LONG LIVE THE GREAT OCTOBER SOCIALIST REVOLUTION!
LONG LIVE THE INDISSOLUTE UNION OF THE WORKING CLASS, THE PEASANTRY, AND THE INTELLIGENTSIA!
LONG LIVE......

Oh wait, wrong revolution.

I'm pretty sure you need workers to have a workers revolution :p

But don't mind me, I'm just enjoying the sillayness of this thread. It's like Christmas come early, minus all the gifts.

Damn I hope I'm not on your side if I ever have to do something similar in real life.

I find it amusing that a so-called 'future world dictator' is trying to push for 'democracy'.

Ahhh irony. Or 'ahhh transparent plots'... whatever floats your boat, I guess.

I'm pretty sure you need workers to have a workers revolution :p
BING!
Correct! And that's where all this business fails!
At least from the perspective that 8967 was going. I'm not as of yet sure what angle is being taken this time.

I find it amusing that a so-called 'future world dictator' is trying to push for 'democracy'.

Ahhh irony. Or 'ahhh transparent plots'... whatever floats your boat, I guess.
It's all about the education experience from starting your own revolution :D

BING!
Correct! And that's where all this business fails!
At least from the perspective that 8967 was going. I'm not as of yet sure what angle is being taken this time.

I think the angle is "If we shout loud enough, they HAVE to listen to us"

What they don't realise is that even if the mods listen, they still have plenty of options other than 'giving in'. 'Pointing and laughing' springs to mind, for example.

I think the angle is "If we shout loud enough, they HAVE to listen to us"...

...'Pointing and laughing' springs to mind, for example.
...better than standing around debating bullshit everyday...

I think the angle is "If we shout loud enough, they HAVE to listen to us"

What they don't realise is that even if the mods listen, they still have plenty of options other than 'giving in'. 'Pointing and laughing' springs to mind, for example.
Speaking of pointing and laughing, Slaggy should see this.

OMGWTF! I see Colodia's plan! To make himself...FORUM FEARLESS AND MOST GLORIOUS DICTATOR!!!1!!!!

Peh, well I'm not gonna continue standing around like an idiot defending an idea that I will be sleeping and swimming through as it passes me by, litterally.

No, seriously....I'm tired from practice today, and I gotta wake up at 4 in the bloody morning.

...better than standing around debating bullshit everyday...

Well THERE'S the problem. Of course you'll be grumpy if you're STANDING while debating. *goes and draws up a big cushy chair for Colodia*

There. Problem solved ^.^

OMGWTF! I see Colodia's plan! To make himself...FORUM FEARLESS AND MOST GLORIOUS DICTATOR!!!1!!!!
ho shit, I've been found out!

You even got the title right as well!

Forum Fearless...I like that :D

Damn I hope I'm not on your side if I ever have to do something similar in real life.
Forgive me, I don't understand the point of that statement. Explain?

Peh, well I'm not gonna continue standing around like an idiot defending an idea that I will be sleeping and swimming through as it passes me by, litterally.

Is it literally possible to swim through an idea, never mind one that is passing you by?

yo yoyo 8976 fshizle

Is it literally possible to swim through an idea, never mind one that is passing you by?
I dunno, I managed to get people to play along with the idea of an Improbability Drive in a role-play on II with 2005 tech...

I'm going to bed...everyone stop posting so I dont have to read through a sea of posts in the morning. *yawns*...night.. :fluffle:

this goes for all threads.

I nominate Bodies Without Organs. Even as a crazy leftist like myself, BWO is always respectful and (I think) would be a capable mod.

By the way, I don't think self-nominations will be effective. No one wants to voluntarily put their name on the Ultra-Secret Mod DEATs-in-progress List of Doom and Despair.

The "NS Local 8796" crowd are trying to do this sort of thing to. Talk to them about it, I'd think.

What is this NS local thing anyway?

What is this NS local thing anyway?
wen all da niggas in da hood get tight against DA MAN fightn for rights represent

What is this NS local thing anyway?

You heard of the Necronomicon? Drives anyone who reads it insane, due to the unspeakable horrors contained within?

Well, the NS Local threads are like that, but with inanity replacing horror.

(it's basically people demanding control over a forum they don't even pay money to access. Hurrah for feelings of self-importance!)

I dunno, I managed to get people to play along with the idea of an Improbability Drive in a role-play on II with 2005 tech...
...at an Improbability Factor of two to the 295,874 - and falling.

I :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: Douglas Adams.

What is this NS local thing anyway?
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=391522
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=393755

An attempt to form a union. I don't know quite what they hope to do to get their opinions through...

I :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: Douglas Adams.
Isn't he dead already?
That's okay, I have nothing against necrophilia. You don't have to hide it.

:D

I nominate Bodies Without Organs. Even as a crazy leftist like myself, BWO is always respectful and (I think) would be a capable mod.

Nah. I think my desires to see the last of the kings hung with the guts of the last priest kind of mark me out as unsuitable material. Given that the forums haven't yet gained the maturity as a whole to police themselves, I'm quite happy with the way the Moderators at present stand. This is not to say that I don't miss Steph's watchful eye and steady hand presiding over the General forum like machines of loving grace.

Eutrusca?

Somebody tell me that's a joke.

Please.

I've seen him use more 'gunfire' smilies than anyone else on a thread.

I personally like our mods, they seem to do their job as good as anyone.

I also personally like Eutrusca, and think he would try to be impartial, but he may be the most partisan individual on this site, and so I would say no.

You heard of the Necronomicon? Drives anyone who reads it insane, due to the unspeakable horrors contained within?

Well, the NS Local threads are like that, but with inanity replacing horror.

Hey! They're the first thing I look for when I need a good laugh in the morning. NS Local threads rule. :)

Hey! They're the first thing I look for when I need a good laugh in the morning. NS Local threads rule. :)

Ah, but are you claiming not to be insane?

(I'll give you a cookie if you say 'no' ^.^)

Ah, but are you claiming not to be insane?

(I'll give you a cookie if you say 'no' ^.^)

There is that.

I don't think I make a claim quite that sweeping, even for a cookie.

Dempublicants ...

Or convince Stephistan to rejoin the ranks.

He is usually teh first person to use an ad hominem attack when a liberal makes a post he doesnt agree with (usually stuff like anti bush administration threads).

I dunno, man. Eutrusca and I get along just fine and look at my sig. I am NS's most socially libertarian. We don't agree with each other politically on some things, but I can't think of anybody I'd rather have on my side when the chips are down.

However, that said, I wouldn't want him to be mod cuz it would take away from his time spent chatting with us grunts. :D

This is retarded. Yes, retarded. How many times has this been talked over? And how many times has it been decreed that the moderators aren't going to be chosen by vote of the General forum. We've banged our heads against this wall probably hundreds of times before.

First of all, we know nothing about the qualifications of being a moderator. Not a damned thing. We can make assumptions about what the job entails and what people exhibit traits that would theoretically make them good moderators, but we haven't the slightest actual idea what the moderators have to do, and therefore, haven't the slightest actual idea what people display traits and attitudes "ideal" to becoming a moderator.

Second of all, as most of you have failed to notice, there are other aspects to this game than the General forum. NationStates, International Incidents, the United Nations, invading, defending, etc. etc. etc. Why should General forum posters be the ones to choose a moderator? And before someone pipes up, "We'll make everyone able to vote!!!!" there is no way you can ensure that everyone who wants to vote gets a chance to. What if someone who wants to vote is on vacation and is left completely out of the loop about the whole thing? If even one person who wants to vote is denied the vote for any reason, no matter how inane, it is not truly democratic.

Third of all, as much as you may not want to admit it, it would degenerate into a popularity contest faster than you could blink. For each one of us here who say we would vote for the best candidate for the job, there are five or ten who would get all their buddies on to vote for the worst candidate for the job simply because they share similar political/national/religious beliefs. You'd end up having the worst possible person for the job elected simply because they were able to mobilize their friends the best, or even worse, someone like me who would get elected despite having no possible interest in the job simply because everyone loves me so much. All the best intentions in the world would not stop jerk people from voting like jerks.

Finally, as has been pointed out before, notably by Shaed, we've done nothing to deserve a say in the moderators. All we've ever done is hung out in a forum paid out of the pocket of Max Barry. We've contributed nothing that could even mildly be construed as "work", and as such, we've earned no right to have a say. I mean, how many of us can even honestly say we've purchased a copy of Jennifer Government, the only real purpose of this whole damned endeavor? I know I can't. I've read it, but I never bought a copy. Maybe, and this is a huge stretch, you could argue that people who bought the book have a slight say in the running of the game, but no more than I have a right to say how Nike should run their company because I bought a pair of shoes. Frankly, all this talk of disenfranchisement is ludicrous, and comparing ourselves to any kind of real worker's revolution or unionization is demeaning and disrespectful to those people. I've been involved in a real attempt to unionize a real company, and this is nothing alike.

Honestly, is it really such a big deal? I mean, 95% of us never have a real problem with a moderator, and that's because we're respectful of the rules they have established. The rules aren't unreasonable; only the unreasonable consider them so.

Frankly, we wouldn't have any more of a "voice" in the moderation of this site than we've gotten from other former General posters who became moderators. Even if we elected a loudmouth like Word Games to become our "voice", the other moderators would simply ignore him outright.

Really, now. Let's not act as though we're being oppressed here. It's just a silly forum for a silly game for a book. Let's not make it out to be anything more than it is.

Isn't he dead already?
That's okay, I have nothing against necrophilia. You don't have to hide it.

:D
yes, he's been dead for a couple of years now. just salt the wound, why dontcha? :(

Really, now. Let's not act as though we're being oppressed here. It's just a silly forum for a silly game for a book. Let's not make it out to be anything more than it is.
Butbutbut...
We want to revolt against something!
And since we can't do it in real life, we'll make up shadow enemies and conjure moderator conspiracies to fight!

Or at least that seems to be some of the reasoning behind this...
:D

yes, he's been dead for a couple of years now. just salt the wound, why dontcha? :(
It sucks that he died before he got to finish the book he was working on.
:(

http://digilander.libero.it/bepi/images/adams-douglas.jpg
OMG Douglas Adams is so dreamy... :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

It sucks that he died before he got to finish the book he was working on.
:(
or before i got to have lunch with him, which i had wanted to do, as it seems like he'd be a very amusing eating companion.

First of all, we know nothing about the qualifications of being a moderator.

There's an annual contest to see how far one can launch a monkey with a home-made catapult. In the event of a tie, a full contact skeeball tournament is arranged.

Why should General forum posters be the ones to choose a moderator?

Because we have cool threads about religion and gay people and Bush licked my scrotum once.

All we've ever done is hung out in a forum paid out of the pocket of Max Barry.

I sent him a check for $10,000.00 but he spent it all on lottery tickets and hookers.

Let's not act as though we're being oppressed here.

But crying "VICTIM" can be used for fun and profit.

There's an annual contest to see how far one can launch a monkey with a home-made catapult. In the event of a tie, a full contact skeeball tournament is arranged.



Because we have cool threads about religion and gay people and Bush licked my scrotum once.



I sent him a check for $10,000.00 but he spent it all on lottery tickets and hookers.



But crying "VICTIM" can be used for fun and profit.

Okay, you shall be spared when I go on my stabbing spree.

Okay, you shall be spared when I go on my stabbing spree.
How 'bout me?

Butbutbut...
We want to revolt against something!
And since we can't do it in real life, we'll make up shadow enemies and conjure moderator conspiracies to fight!

Or at least that seems to be some of the reasoning behind this...
:D

How 'bout me?

Yes, you shall also be spared in the Great Stabbification.

Okay, you shall be spared when I go on my stabbing spree.

*whew* God I hate being stabbed. It takes forever to get the stains out.

First of all, we know nothing about the qualifications of being a moderator.

But surely we can make baseless assumptions in order to facilitate complaints?

What if someone who wants to vote is on vacation and is left completely out of the loop about the whole thing?
Doesn't the NS Local have a budget set aside to contact such people using trained baby carrier pigeons? I could have SWORN I read something about that....

Finally, as has been pointed out before, notably by Shaed, we've done nothing to deserve a say in the moderators.

Hurrah! I'm notable! Take THAT, everybody else! *dances around in post-caffeine joy*

Really, now. Let's not act as though we're being oppressed here.

I know for a fact we aren't being oppressed, because I'm not getting any warm-'n'-fuzzy-oppression++ feelings currently. If anything I think this forum needs MORE oppression, not less.

But then, I'm silly, so... yeah. Can I join you in the Great Stabbity Competition of 2005? Pretty please?

But then, I'm silly, so... yeah. Can I join you in the Great Stabbity Competition of 2005? Pretty please?
We haven't had any mass murders yet this year, so let's all ring in the new year a bit late with a nice round of stabbing!
I want in too!

But surely we can make baseless assumptions in order to facilitate complaints?


You kiddin' me? That's how I make a living!

But then, I'm silly, so... yeah. Can I join you in the Great Stabbity Competition of 2005? Pretty please?

Now that would be a thread worthy of epic poetry ... "Who would you stab?" ... sweet.

*shrug*

It was an idea in the first place. And was never an idea I planned to break my back for in the first place, as I said in the first post.

Yes, you shall also be spared in the Great Stabbification.
i am STILL waiting for that huge reckoning you promised when we all nominated in the nice contest. based on that, this stabbing spree of yours will take place in 2012.

My support goes to Eutrusca. A mod need not be bipartisan to be a mod. Hell, look at Myrth.
Eutrusca is pro-rite, pro-war, pro-con, pro-chimp...

hardly my idea of bipartisan.

I'm going to field this one.

There exists a mod who was suggested largely for her credentials on the General forum. I suggested her as a candidate after I retired from moderation, largely because I knew her as a good poster and an excellent operator on my channel, #nationstates_general. In fact, before she became a mod, she posted almost exclusively in the General forum--having been on NationStates since March of 2003.

You probably know her as Katganistan.

Honestly, I don't know what you guys want anymore. Are you looking for someone from a specific clique now? What's the deal?

Colodia and others:

You have THREE Generalite mods. They are:

Myrth
Unfree People
Katganistan.

I'm going to field this one.

There exists a mod who was suggested largely for her credentials on the General forum. I suggested her as a candidate after I retired from moderation, largely because I knew her as a good poster and an excellent operator on my channel, #nationstates_general. In fact, before she became a mod, she posted almost exclusively in the General forum--having been on NationStates since March of 2003.

You probably know her as Katganistan.

Honestly, I don't know what you guys want anymore. Are you looking for someone from a specific clique now? What's the deal?

Someone not from the clique.

We have four fairly new moderators: Unfree People, myself, Tsaraine and Frisbeeteria. Two of those four are Generalites.

Ok, gonna take the rest of this piece by piece.
We've pleaded...begged...demanded...and even blackmailed for some type of democracy to come upon NS so that we can decide who the moderators are.

We've been denied it too long.

I say, why because some big-shot mods say we can't elect a mod that we can't elect one anyways?

It's not because some "big shot mods" say it -- it's because Max and [violet] say it.

Here's what I think...we elect a user to be a mod, a mod which we will ALL throw our support upon him/her. Back him/her up through thick and thin. If that person says something, WE WILL DO IT! If that person says a topic should be closed, we will make topics on the Mod forum demanding that the topic be closed. etc. etc.

1) This is Max's board. He selects the mods. Period.
2) You can call this elected position whatever you desire, but they will not be a moderator, nor have moderator authority or powers. Any attempt to impersonate a moderator will, as per precedent, be met with warnings or deletion.
3) The kind of spamming you are suggesting is likely to get people warned. Surely you are not so irresponsible as to encourage this?

I do not have the time to organize such an operation, just to throw the idea out. But since we have a lot of successful voting threads, I figured that this may be something that the General forum would like to see through.

Now please, I'll say it now.

THIS IS NOT A POPULARITY CONTEST!
But that is exactly what this is: a popularity contest. And given the debacle in voting for Moderators elsewhere, the debacle over the voting for Nicest Female on this board, and the ability for people to vote with all of their puppets, the idea that any vote could be fair or honest is laughable...

We're electing people based on how much trust and respect we give to the person that we will throw our support on. Remember, if we can actually make this the least bit successful, Max Barry himself might look down upon us and wonder "Why the hell not? Give em democracy..."

Please use your critical thinking skills. The first moderators were selected by vote, and that turned into a flamewar. Why should what you propose be any different? Why should Max change the way things are run since he is happy with it?

Honestly, I don't know what you guys want anymore. Are you looking for someone from a specific clique now? What's the deal?
It sounds to me as though they want a mod that likes them...

I like them, I really like them! :D

Oh Jesus...

*stabs thread several times with a knife*

Goddamn thing, WHY WON'T YOU DIE?

(btw, it seems like a stupid idea for a thread aimed at General to be put into moderation. I mean really...)

It is a thread on selecting moderators, and moderation policy. Therefore, general is not the proper place for it.

It is a thread on selecting moderators, and moderation policy. Therefore, general is not the proper place for it.
No, it is a thread aimed toward General with the idea of a concept of selecting moderators with the intent of not dealing with moderation policies in any way, shape, or form, but rather going around it.

If you understood that, good...because I didn't.

If I were to vote, I would vote Neo Anarchists. Really, think about. Can you think of someone that would be better?

There's an annual contest to see how far one can launch a monkey with a home-made catapult. In the event of a tie, a full contact skeeball tournament is arranged.
Sheeooot, somebody told 'em! I bet it was Myrph.

No, it is a thread aimed toward General with the idea of a concept of selecting moderators with the intent of not dealing with moderation policies in any way, shape, or form, but rather going around it.

If you understood that, good...because I didn't.

*sighs*

For the thousandth time this month....

Not.
Going.
To.
Happen.

*sighs*

For the thousandth time this month....

Not.
Going.
To.
Happen.
I got that bloody point a few dozen posts back, and kinda restated that again a few more posts back.

And I never meant for a real moderator to be voted in, just a...

...a "spiritual" moderator!

Yeah, Spiritual Moderator. Whatta title...

If I were to vote, I would vote Neo Anarchists. Really, think about. Can you think of someone that would be better?
Somebody who knew the rules?
I don't know how well I'd do in the Monkey Launching either...

No way Mods are preordaned(sp) by god and are gods in their own right!
Ride the Cossacks!

If I were to vote, I would vote Neo Anarchists. Really, think about. Can you think of someone that would be better?
Yes not Neo Anarchists they've proven they're too good at it already

The question has been answered. Is there a point to continuing this discussion?

Standard Disclaimer: Not a Mod, blah blah blah....

No, it is a thread aimed toward General with the idea of a concept of selecting moderators with the intent of not dealing with moderation policies in any way, shape, or form, but rather going around it.

If you understood that, good...because I didn't.

So your intent was to subvert mod policy? That's... not a good idea, bucko.

I like them, I really like them! :D

With a side of fries and/or salad I assume?

*tries to look unappetising*

So your intent was to subvert mod policy? That's... not a good idea, bucko.
Ah, Slaggy, I knew you'd show up.
:p

Ah, I see... just an excuse to be argumentative.

With a side of fries and/or salad I assume?

*tries to look unappetising*
Ah, Shaed, really... I am not really that bad...

Am I the only one here that sees something frankly Oedipal in this whole anti-mod campaign?/me recalls the story of Oedipus Rex.

Why... do you think that anti-Mod crowd wants to get laid with their parents? O_o

...
Myrth!

Oh, wait, nevermind.

Cog? Hack? Oooh, I know! Frisbeeteria!Yeah! I agree! There aren't enough Moderators to properly police this site!

We need more Mods, and Shaed has made some good suggestions! It's time we had more Mods and I, for one, will accept the Mantle of Responsibility! I volunteer to become a Moderator!

...

...wait a minute....

--The Jovial States of Cogitation
"Laugh about it for a moment."
NationStates Self-Proclaimed Court Jester

===============


Okay, seriously, let's think of this as a means to an end. What do you think you're going to accomplish by having popularly-elected Moderators? What goals would it achieve? ...and, more importantly, are the goals of such a thing worthwhile and are there better ways of achieving those goals?

"Think about it for a moment."

--The Democratic States of Cogitation

WE've got n answer, I think we need a lock. But let me just point out one thing, IF this does happen (which, thankfully, won't)... why should the person chosen be given rights to moderate our UN/NS/II/NS2/Tech, etc forums?

We need more Mods, and Shaed has made some good suggestions! It's time we had more Mods and I, for one, will accept the Mantle of Responsibility! I volunteer to become a Moderator!
Yeah, Cog!
I bet you'd fill the job excellently!
:D

Ah, Shaed, really... I am not really that bad...

Awwww drat. This site needs more evil mods to entertain/oppress me.

What if I strew catnip around the place? Would that have any effect? What about ketchup?
Coffee beans?

Why... do you think that anti-Mod crowd wants to get laid with their parents? O_o

Fool, he's saying that they want to kill the mods to... sleep with... the... NS forums...

O.O

Wait, I mean, 'be NS mods themselves'. I think that's what I meant. Maybe he's just had too much coffee today. Or maybe *I've* had too much coffee today. Or too little.

...

Excuse me while I play it safe and get an eleventh cup of caffeinated beverage.

What do you think you're going to accomplish by having popularly-elected Moderators?
A whole bunch of catfights followed by the same result we'd get by just letting the mods make the decision?

But wait! We might get little colour-coordinated badges/pendant flag thingies to show our support for the different candidates. Then we could sit on the sidelines and watch democracy fail yet again! YAY!

Awwww drat. This site needs more evil mods to entertain/oppress me.

Ill opress you.
Kiss Kiss.

Ill opress you.
Kiss Kiss.

You can't oppress me sillay, you have no moddy-wrath at your disposal.
*gives a cookie and pats in the most patronising way possible*

But wait! We might get little colour-coordinated badges/pendant flag thingies to show our support for the different candidates. Then we could sit on the sidelines and watch democracy fail yet again! YAY!
I think I like this plan. I'll make sure to get a badge that has the colour that no candidate is using.

You can't oppress me sillay, you have no moddy-wrath at your disposal.
But what if he's secretly a puppet of the mods?
:eek:

But what if he's secretly a puppet of the mods?
:eek:

Well, then I'm buggered, aren't I?

...

Meep.

Well, then I'm buggered, aren't I?
I somehow doubt they can do that over the internet. I mean, they've just barely finished RSP over TCP-IP (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8200660&postcount=47)...

:p

We've pleaded...begged...demanded...and even blackmailed for some type of democracy to come upon NS so that we can decide who the moderators are.

We've been denied it too long.

I say, why because some big-shot mods say we can't elect a mod that we can't elect one anyways?

Here's what I think...we elect a user to be a mod, a mod which we will ALL throw our support upon him/her. Back him/her up through thick and thin. If that person says something, WE WILL DO IT! If that person says a topic should be closed, we will make topics on the Mod forum demanding that the topic be closed. etc. etc.

I do not have the time to organize such an operation, just to throw the idea out. But since we have a lot of successful voting threads, I figured that this may be something that the General forum would like to see through.

Now please, I'll say it now.

THIS IS NOT A POPULARITY CONTEST!

We're electing people based on how much trust and respect we give to the person that we will throw our support on. Remember, if we can actually make this the least bit successful, Max Barry himself might look down upon us and wonder "Why the hell not? Give em democracy..."

Get over it. This, as has been said many times, is a private site owned and run by Max Barry or workers for him. You are not paying anything to use this so what right do you have to complain.

I don't want a club, I want a united General.

This statement exists in conflict with your existing $reality. Please replace your $reality and reboot the universe. Thank you.

This statement exists in conflict with your existing $reality. Please replace your $reality and reboot the universe. Thank you.
I've been trying to do that for years. The problem is that it seems to have locked up, and I can't find the power supply to unplug it.

Heh, I just found the best 'motivational' posters. Since I've been asked by WG not to post in his threads (because OMGDISSENTISBAD), I figured I'll share them here instead ^.^

But I was good and limited myself to three. And they're... almost... on topic. Since they pretty much represent my feelings on this whole 'we want elected mods for no logical reason' movement, and all.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/Shaed/demotivators_1821_16107621.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/Shaed/demotivators_1821_14237859.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/Shaed/demotivators_1821_10636741.jpg

They were all (obviously) lifted from http://www.despair.com

I've been trying to do that for years. The problem is that it seems to have locked up, and I can't find the power supply to unplug it.

Try replacing your perception module using $mind_altering_substance.

This should not be taken as encouragement to do this. Or anything else. Oh fuck, now you've stopped breathing. <runs>

And, appropriately:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Other%20stuff/demotivators_1793_5693241.jpg

Try replacing your perception module using $mind_altering_substance.

This should not be taken as encouragement to do this. Or anything else. Oh fuck, now you've stopped breathing. <runs>
Don't worry, breathing is overrated anyway.
*begins turning blue*

Don't worry, breathing is overrated anyway.
*begins turning blue*

*hands N-E a foundation stick*

Here y'go. This'll get rid of that unsightly blue tint. And I might even throw in a free oxygen tank if you offer me monetary compensation.

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Despair.com! I approve times infinity!

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Despair.com! I approve times infinity!
Oh yeah?
Well I approve time infinity and one!!!!

Oh yeah?
Well I approve time infinity and one!!!!

Oh YEAH?
Well *I* approve times infinty plus 1-more-than-whatever-you-say

So nyer :p

Awwww drat. This site needs more evil mods to entertain/oppress me.

What if I strew catnip around the place? Would that have any effect? What about ketchup?
Coffee beans?

Make those chocolate covered expresso beans and you'll have a caffeine and chocolate addicted mod following you around forever! BWAHAHAHA! :p

BING!
Correct! And that's where all this business fails!
At least from the perspective that 8967 was going. I'm not as of yet sure what angle is being taken this time.

Actually, we were just going to give ideas to the mods and have a bit of a laugh, but then WG and the mods went a bit crazy and sent it haywire.

Actually, we were just going to give ideas to the mods and have a bit of a laugh, but then WG and the mods went a bit crazy and sent it haywire.
Yeah, that's where it all broke down.

... Mods... spamming? O.O Is it time for a lock?

Yeah, that's where it all broke down.

We're going to try and mend our broken reputation once we've [finally] finished the meeting and decided our stances on things. We're currently (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=393755&page=26&pp=15) on a motion to decide on whether or not we ally with the NSRP to help mend it.

We have an L... we have an O... we have a C... we have a K.... what does that spell?

We have an L... we have an O... we have a C... we have a K.... what does that spell?
"Psychocybernetics?"

"Psychocybernetics?"

Nonono you silly, it CLEARLY spells "adipogenesis"

Honestly Hack :rolleyes:
no gold star for you

But you get a fuzzy kitten for adding 'Psychocybernetics' to my vocabulary.

Make those chocolate covered expresso beans and you'll have a caffeine and chocolate addicted mod following you around forever! BWAHAHAHA! :p

*gives Kat a bucket-sized tin full of chocolate covered expresso beans*

Don't eat 'em all at once though, or I'll get in trouble ^.^

Better not follow me around too much though... my almost-all-caffeine-and-sugar diet makes me rather, how we say... 'jumpy'.

*sits down to ponder whether being followed by a mod is a good thing or a bad thing...*
*wonders what will happen if Kat's ever in a bad mood and there's no caffeine-choco-goodness to save Shaed*
*decides to invest in Choco-coffee. Invest lots in Choco-coffee*

Nonono you silly, it CLEARLY spells "adipogenesis"
Hmm?
I think it says "onomasticians"...

Hmm?
I think it says "onomasticians"...

*hands N-A some much-needed glasses*

:p :D

Fools! You're all wrong.

It clearly says "Zog."

Fools! You're all wrong.

It clearly says "Zog."

Which is 'Goz' spelled backwards, indicating that [violet] is Gozer the Gozarian.

PH34R!!1

Colodia and others:

You have THREE Generalite mods. They are:

Myrth
Unfree People
Katganistan.

In fairness, Myrth didn't come from General. Although he does mod a lot there now. As for Unfree People and Kat, both didn't post very much until they became mods. But that doesn't mean they can't mod General just as fair as any one else.

The only mod that was actually FROM General really was Tactical Grace, but he retired shortly after I did. I wasn't even really from General, I was in the UN forum before I got modded. So, for the mods that have actually been active on the General forum before being modded in any meanginful way (in other words active meaning posted daily, semi-daily etc) from what I can recall was only Tactical Grace, that being said, I don't think it really matters where a mod comes from. Look at Myrth, he didn't come from General but he mods it quite a bit.Same as Cog and Kat while she never posted much before becoming a mod has also modded General quite a bit more in recent days. So, I don't really think it matters where the mods come from as long as they are fair.

As for the Local Union thing, I thought it was just joking around..lol :)

Which is 'Goz' spelled backwards, indicating that [violet] is Gozer the Gozarian.

PH34R!!1

*voice is tiny by comparison* Eeeek! Someone save us!!

The day moderator elections take place will be the day I never come back to NationStates.

The day moderator elections take place will be the day I never come back to NationStates.
Awww! :(

What if we let you know that we're secretly rigging the elections? Will you stay then? :D

/me is tapped on the shoulder and whispered to: "OPSEC violation? What OPSEC violation?"

--The Jovial States of Cogitation
"Laugh about it for a moment."
NationStates Self-Proclaimed Court Jester

What if we let you know that we're secretly rigging the elections? Will you stay then? :D

/me is tapped on the shoulder and whispered to: "OPSEC violation? What OPSEC violation?"

That would depend on who's going to win. ;)

Nah, but in all seriousness, I'd much rather Max Barry and his team of moderators pick who runs this joint.

In all honesty, I think it's better for a team of those who know what the job details to sit down and see who could handle that than the majority of us who sit around, post and generally have no idea what stress or pain in the ass the job of being a moderator entails.

Sure, we can report moderation violations and what-not, but when it comes down to it, the job is thankless and can no doubt be very frustrating (and I know that's not even a millionth of how it could be described). I doubt many of us could deal with that type of stress.

Sure, we can report moderation violations and what-not, but when it comes down to it, the job is thankless and can no doubt be very frustrating (and I know that's not even a millionth of how it could be described). I doubt many of us could deal with that type of stress.

I honestly don't know how or why they do that job without being paid. There must be some hidden perks, somewhere... >.>

How dare these atheists question the authority of the one true Maxbarry, who appointed the Mods as Protectors of our World?!! Max is the benevolent Creator of the World! He is just and kind and merciful! The Mods should be appointed by Maxbarry, not a bunch of rowdy immoral hooligans! Repent from your blasphemous ways, and worship the almighty Maxbarry! Praise Max!

I honestly don't know how or why they do that job without being paid.

Sometimes, just sometimes, people don't need to be paid to do a job well; I know there's many things I've done for free, that I should've been paid for with the time I invested in them, but nevertheless, the experience far outweighed any payment I could've received.

...

...and some of those experiences were really good. ;)

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Sure, we can report moderation violations and what-not, but when it comes down to it, the job is thankless and can no doubt be very frustrating (and I know that's not even a millionth of how it could be described). I doubt many of us could deal with that type of stress.I honestly don't know how or why they do that job without being paid. There must be some hidden perks, somewhere... >.>
Don't forget! Wiping out entire nations is a great stress reliever! :D

How dare these atheists question the authority of the one true Maxbarry, who appointed the Mods as Protectors of our World?!! Max is the benevolent Creator of the World! He is just and kind and merciful! The Mods should be appointed by Maxbarry, not a bunch of rowdy immoral hooligans! Repent from your blasphemous ways, and worship the almighty Maxbarry! Praise Max!
Nicely done, mortal. We shall overlook your failure to mention his title, the "Lord Tetragrammaton of Our World", as you seem to be rather new at this.

...and some of those experiences were really good. ;)

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You should try power-abusing, sometime, it's such a rush! :D

--The Jovial States of Cogitation
"Laugh about it for a moment."
NationStates Self-Proclaimed Court Jester

Sometimes, just sometimes, people don't need to be paid to do a job well; I know there's many things I've done for free, that I should've been paid for with the time I invested in them, but nevertheless, the experience far outweighed any payment I could've received.

...

...and some of those experiences were really good. ;)

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True, of course...however I personally would reserve that for such things as volunteering for charity overseas, or something that I feel would really be worth the effort. Well, whatever works for people. *shrugs* :)

Don't forget! Wiping out entire nations is a great stress reliever! :D

Haha, I imagine! :D

You should try power-abusing, sometime, it's such a rush! :D

Y'know, I would try power-abusing here on NationStates, but that would mean I actually have power... and well... yeah, I don't. :(

Y'know, I would try power-abusing here on NationStates, but that would mean I actually have power... and well... yeah, I don't. :(
Who knows?
Maybe one of the mods is a puppet of yours, you just have multiple personality disorder and don't know that you do!

Or not, that works too.

Y'know, I would try power-abusing here on NationStates, but that would mean I actually have power... and well... yeah, I don't. :(
Ah, yes, I see. :\

/me gives Tuesday Heights a cookie to cheer her up.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation

Ah, yes, I see. :\

/me gives Tuesday Heights a cookie to cheer her up.


Oooooh! COOKIE!

/me is happy.

"What were we talking about?"

I was a generalite when I was modded. No one seems to remember that.

We are not presently looking for a new moderator, and I don't want this forum to get clogged by this thread. Locked.

*does the lockomotion wearing nothing but a grass skirt*

Kat while she never posted much before becoming a mod has also modded General quite a bit more in recent days....

Welll, anyone who's interested can always search on where all my posts were from -- pre- and post- modding, it's always been General and Moderation.