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first of all i ask a mod to post all ghr filed in conection with this event

ok now heres the problem
yesterday a group invaided my region they seized the del spot and alterd the wfe, they made no ejections (ok sound normal so far and clean). the del then proceded to compleatly empty the ban list of all the people that we the natives put on there (but wait it gets worse), then the del proceded to alert an enamy region that had had many of its members on the ban list, no then i as well as others feel that this is at least malicious, if not griefing due to the fact that clearing the banlist was a attempt to deliberately start an invasion/trouble

Clearing the banlist is not griefing and is not even punishable by the current rules of invading. It sucks, but it's not in violation of the rules, in fact nothing you've reported seems even come close to a violation of the rules.

mal·ice
n.
1. A desire to harm others or to see others suffer; extreme ill will or spite.
2. Law The intent, without just cause or reason, to commit a wrongful act that will result in harm to another.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/malice
seems to fit

What can't I post?

Any content that is:

* obscene
* illegal
* threatening
* malicious
* defamatory
* spam
i bold

You know, with that way of seeing it, it would have been as much 'malicious' of them to enter your region, take the delseat and 'unbann' their own puppet nations. No matter why they were ejected.

So in theory if Someone would happen to overthrow Unlimited in The Pacific and then cleared the banlist of The Pacific that would be a 'malicious' act.

So, White power world wide, you are saying that every time an invasion occurs that's malicious, right? Abolustely ludicrous, considering Max Barry has said invasions are part of the game.

You are reaching very far here.

So, White power world wide, you are saying that every time an invasion occurs that's malicious, right? Abolustely ludicrous, considering Max Barry has said invasions are part of the game.

You are reaching very far here.
i'm fine with the invaision they followed all the rules but is see clearing a ban list and then alarting those on it of its clearing as malicious sence they ejected no a single person they had no business tuching the banlist

But, see, you're missing the point:

They can clear the banlist, there's no rule stating an invading Delegate can't clear the banlist... and it happens all the time, your region is no different...

You know, with that way of seeing it, it would have been as much 'malicious' of them to enter your region, take the delseat and 'unbann' their own puppet nations. No matter why they were ejected.

So in theory if Someone would happen to overthrow Unlimited in The Pacific and then cleared the banlist of The Pacific that would be a 'malicious' act.
if every single one of those was a puppet of thiers fine but i want proof

But, see, you're missing the point:

They can clear the banlist, there's no rule stating an invading Delegate can't clear the banlist... and it happens all the time, your region is no different...
i'm not saying the region is but this is the first time i have seen any one speek out against it, those people were there for a reson, and they cleard it to start trouble

There is no rule that says "The invader delegate must not clear the ban list"

and there is no reson for them to if they dont eject any one other then to maliciously start trouble

and there is no reson for them to if they dont eject any one other then to maliciously start trouble

So, they can invade your region, and according to your logic, that's not a "malicious act of trouble?"

But, gosh forbid, if they clear your region's banlist while invading, that's a "malicious act of trouble."

Am I correct?

So, they can invade your region, and according to your logic, that's not a "malicious act of trouble?"

But, gosh forbid, if they clear your region's banlist while invading, that's a "malicious act of trouble."

Am I correct?
so what is the piont of clearing the list in your veiw
i get the thrill of invaiding thing

It doesn't matter what the motive is, the point is that clearing the banlist is not against current NS invasion rules.

It doesn't matter what the motive is, the point is that clearing the banlist is not against current NS invasion rules.
so even though the intent was malicious it wont fall under malicious in the ns rules?

Clearing the banlist is allowed. It is not malicious, it is part of the invasion game. The whole point of invasion is the thrill of risking people you don't like in your region.

If this does not meet with your approval, retake the delegacy and password the region.

Clearing the banlist is allowed. It is not malicious, it is part of the invasion game. The whole point of invasion is the thrill of risking people you don't like in your region.

If this does not meet with your approval, retake the delegacy and password the region.
we made no invaisions, and they ejected no one its not a thrill for us when people we banned for good reson can just waltz back in now, why not make it possable for us to ban without regional entry then we wouldnt ave to worie

also i would still like those ghr posted and would like to see what other mods have to say

Not much of a problem with just clearing the ban list.

Thing is,the invader delegate stated in the wfe that he cleared it and was inviting the enemies that were on it back to the region,then he left the region after posting that.Just before the update,one of those enemies did show up.

WPWW's point is that the invader couldn't just make his point that he caught him asleep,he cleared the ban list then invited enemies back to the region.Then after leaving,he could just sit back and laugh at the trouble he caused them.

This is far from honorable,it's a low life dirt bag tactic.

There is nothing wrong with clearing the banlist. Especially when 'clearing' the banlist consists of removing the single nation that was on it.

Not much of a problem with just clearing the ban list.

Thing is,the invader delegate stated in the wfe that he cleared it and was inviting the enemies that were on it back to the region,then he left the region after posting that.Just before the update,one of those enemies did show up.

WPWW's point is that the invader couldn't just make his point that he caught him asleep,he cleared the ban list then invited enemies back to the region.Then after leaving,he could just sit back and laugh at the trouble he caused them.

This is far from honorable,it's a low life dirt bag tactic.You're probably right. However, it's been stated by the Moderators that it's not against the rules. Is there a point to further debate?

Standard Disclaimer: I am not a Moderator. I will never be a Moderator. I do not claim to speak for them.

we made no invaisions, and they ejected no one its not a thrill for us when people we banned for good reson can just waltz back in now, why not make it possable for us to ban without regional entry then we wouldnt ave to worie

Okay, I can't parse this. Run it through a spell checker and try again.

also i would still like those ghr posted

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ok
hack i was requesting the ones i made i like a fool didnot make copies, basicly kat said it is now fun for us, yet we do not invaid and having our enamys come in is not fun for us like she said, also i think it would be nice if some one didnt have to come in to the region to be banned
myrth there were over 20 nations on the list the one that did show is the leader of an invasion force which had most of its members including himself on the list
treznor yes there is a reson to atempt to change or create a rule to prevent this kind of intenional trouble makeing

(05:47:12) (@Cogitation) It reads: "This region is a total and complete farce... a blight on all of Nationstates. It and all other "Nazi" regions should be erradicated by the good people of NS. This region was captured by a true GERMAN region last night in a quick, precise attack, on the justification that due to Nazi's, the good name of GERMANY has been tainted... we shall move out shortly, there will be no ejections, passwords, or gloating
(05:47:12) (@Cogitation) on the RMB.
(05:47:12) (@Cogitation) Oh, and BTW, I have reopened the borders of this region, let us hope the MTA will immigrate soon!"cog varifide the wfe

kat said it is now fun for us, yet we do not invaid and having our enamys come in is not fun for us like she said

Ahem. What I said was:

Clearing the banlist is allowed. It is not malicious, it is part of the invasion game. The whole point of invasion is the thrill of risking people you don't like in your region.

If this does not meet with your approval, retake the delegacy and password the region.

Kindly do not misquote me. If you do not wish to play the invasion game, you have the option of passwording your region.

Clearing the banlist is allowed. It is not malicious, it is part of the invasion game. The whole point of invasion is the thrill of risking people you don't like in your region.

If this does not meet with your approval, retake the delegacy and password the region.
as i said its not fun or a thrill to us, we did not invaid they did so what may be fun for them seems to open a large can of worms for us as for the pw why should we have to

as for the pw why should we have to

It was a featured added in, as I recall, to protect regions from being invaded if the members of that region do not wish to take part in the invasion game.

You don't have to use it. It is an option for you to use to avoid this -- as it is an option for every other player-created region.

If you do not choose to use it, it is a part of the game you chance playing.

you got a founder, can't you contact him some way and ask him to just block regional control for the delegate?

White power world wide is delegate now himself. He can see to it himself now :p that the delegate can't access the controls. (Just tick off the box).

Btw. After reading the regionals and also checked what kind of region it is, I must say I find it fascinating that the founder allows delegate access.

Funny... the FAQ says, "What can't I post?"

Last time I checked, clearing a banlist wasn't posting...

This topic has moderator responses in posts 16, 19, 21, 23, 25, and now 29. It appears that all questions have been answered, and definitive rulings have been stated.

There appears to be no continuing reason to leave this topic open, therefore iLock.

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