NationStates Jolt Archive

When I submit those weekly long lists of UN proposals I think need moderation, does it create more work than it solves? I admit I don't do it every week.

Just want to make sure I'm not overburdening the mods.

When I submit those weekly long lists of UN proposals I think need moderation, does it create more work than it solves? I admit I don't do it every week.

Just want to make sure I'm not overburdening the mods.
You mean by Getting Help page? That's perfectly fine.

For proposals whose texts are long, you have to specify where in the proposal it's violating the rules (assuming that it's a problem in the text and not, say, the title or category).

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Are we allowed to submit proposals because they are very badly written or contain very little content?

Are we allowed to submit proposals because they are very badly written or contain very little content?That's why regional delegates must approve proposals before they go up for ratification. It's a process in place for weeding out the bad ones. The Mods don't need to do anything for those.

Are we allowed to submit proposals because they are very badly written or contain very little content?
Nobody's holding a gun to your head to make you write well, but we do encourage it. You are strongly encouraged to read the FAQ before submitting. There is also a link on the submissions page that takes you to the Before you make a proposal... [READ THIS BEFORE SUBMITTING OR GET EJECTED FROM UN] (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=282176) forum topic. We strongly encourage you to read and follow those instructions as well, and failure to comply can result in warning, UN ejection or nation deletion.

Encouraged? Good.

You mean by Getting Help page? That's perfectly fine.

For proposals whose texts are long, you have to specify where in the proposal it's violating the rules (assuming that it's a problem in the text and not, say, the title or category).

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

What if it is a long text and the entire proposal is the problem? I noticed a couple of amendment attempts (one helpfully titled as such) in the list, which I turned in.

What if it is a long text and the entire proposal is the problem? I noticed a couple of amendment attempts (one helpfully titled as such) in the list, which I turned in.
Back before I got modded, I used to turn in lists like this:

Proposal title / Author / Flaw
Peacekeeper Force / Sillynation / UN Army
Regional Sovereignty / The Mighty 111 / Game Mechanics (regional change)

etc, etc. The mod in question is going to have to read it anyway, so all he really needs is the title and the core reason why you want him to look at it. I don't have access to the Game controls, so I still can't speak to this like a Game Mod would ... but I think that in this case, less is more.

I tried to help Myrth clean the list the other night, but we were both frustrated by slow response on the UN pages and gave up. When it comes to server speed, we have no more power than you do. (Possibly less, as some of the mods have been known to use dial-up on occasion. Aaargh!). If we're not acting on your requests as quickly as you might like, it's not always for the reasons you may suspect.

It's not the response time I'm questioning. Hell, it took me four hours to write the list because of slow loading, so I can only imagine what it must be like for the mods.

Cog mentioned quoting part of a long post that is a problem proposal and I was wanting to clear up a question that popped into my mind about long posts when the entire thing is a problem.

Can't you just say, "4th paragraph, second sentence, violates Religious Tolerance by making their made-up religion compulsory"?

Yes, but not if it is titled "Amendment to Definition of Marriage" (not an actual proposal) or from the first sentence the proposal is out to amend a resolution.

Yes, but not if it is titled "Amendment to Definition of Marriage" (not an actual proposal) or from the first sentence the proposal is out to amend a resolution.

But I think you just answered Fris's question. Here it sounds like you are questioning the title or the first sentence.

Months ago Steph deleted and warning Hersfold for a proposal he and I co-wrote titled, "Amendments to the UNEC". There was no UN rule at the time that we couldn't enhance a resolution, and nothing in our resolution changed the intent of the original resolution. But it took Cog and a handful of other UN active members (many of whom aren't in the UN forum these days) to convince Steph to overturn her decision provided we don't call it an "Amendement".

The result of that ruling was, that titles do matter. Though it is the text of a proposed resolution or repeal that gets reviewed by the moderators, it was agreed by all that even a well meaning resolution with the title "Amendment" would send wrong message and encourage more of the same.