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Just curious.

http://s7.invisionfree.com/LOEL/index.php?showtopic=46

He was warned for excessive content (rape, torture, et cetera) in his role play a few months back; recently he crossed the line again, and was deleted. Simple as that.

~ Tsar the Mod.

Is he DOS or IP banned?

He was warned for excessive content (rape, torture, et cetera) in his role play a few months back; recently he crossed the line again, and was deleted. Simple as that.

~ Tsar the Mod.

Thanks, Tsar.

Neither - Decisive Action has been deleted. There's nothing preventing him from creating a new nation, so long as he abides by the rules.

~ Tsar the Mod.

Neither - Decisive Action has been deleted. There's nothing preventing him from creating a new nation, so long as he abides by the rules.

~ Tsar the Mod.


This is strangely familiar to what happened with the CM/DA thing, deletion and then, "Oh, you can keep RPing, but just we won't give you your nation back..."

I have to wonder, what is the purpose of deleting me so often, it gets reversed so often, I get allowed to stick around, and only thing that happens is I lose the ability to edit my posts and access my subscribed threads. This is all about causing headaches... I don't know, well, maybe, but heck, this isn't really the place for an argument, so I won't start here, but you all banned me from IRC, so where else can I go?

Oh well, I guess I better just sit and wait on my appeal, and if that doesn't go through... Perhaps one of you would be so very kind as to transfer subscriptions of DA over to this account for me? It'd be like the only good thing that'd happen to me today.

May we have some sort of link to the topic in question?

Obviously, due to the emotional charges involved, CM cannot be trusted to argue his own case. While I've seen some of his more risque topics, I can say there has actually been more than one occasion where he has been out-done in both detail and general gross-factor by some of his more...dedicated..., shall we say, non-friends.

I say with the utmost confidence that I am downright disgusted by the way his nation is run and, if they in any way reflect upon his actual political views, he disgusts me in general, but this is no reason to delete his nation. As far as warnings go, I do believe I've seen rather large warnings before any of his topics with almost ANY border-line content. Should this not be enough, then making it clear to him that such things will simply NOT be tolerated should be very much enough. He should not lose his nation, he's already had to deal with the loss of his original nation, what point is there in making him start over again?

As someone who is basically his political opposite, I still say he has as much a right to post on this forum as I do. If the bias you guys have against this guy isn't obvious to you, then you're merely fooling yourselves.

As it is, I'd like to see it go that you return CM's nation after a few days for him to cool down, but several written reminders that sex acts and other things simply should not be written about. They are not entirely necessary to the environment anyway, simply saying, though it is crude to one with such writting skills as he possesses, "She was raped" (Of course not in so many words) is quite enough.

How do you view this?

Well, I'm going to start the long process of posting all my major RPs under this name, so I can edit them...

Gotta get the factbook going...

This is just really annoying and lame.

Thank God I save a link to every major RP I do (think ahead, mostly though cause the forums often crap out and folks want links sometimes, and this way I just pop up the files and grab the links)


Well, best wishes all, I have work to tend to.

I say with the utmost confidence that I am downright disgusted by the way his nation is run and, if they in any way reflect upon his actual political views, he disgusts me in general,


Nah, you'll never know what my RL beliefs are, you'll never know because to know me, you'd need to know my background, where and how I got to where I am, nothing short of prayer and massively hard and tireless work, got me to where I am. Some of DA is my RL beliefs (mostly in regards to ultra-nationalism, anti-communism, state religion, strong military, etc), lots aren't (mostly in regards to the torture, rape, horribly unspeakable human rights violations, imperialism).


You'd really need to talk with me at length for a while, to get a picture of who I am and what I believe. Hey, my IM buttons are listed.. :)

I'd also like to see a link to the topic in question. DA brought up a legitimate point in that mod chat; the mods tend to let their political views and ideals get in the way of their jobs. Case in point, I (a staunch conservative who has certainly made their views known on these boards) labeled a left-winger in the UN forums a "smarmy fuck" and got banned for three days about three minutes after posting. The following week, I'm cruising through the General forum when I find another poster (a blatant liberal) telling someone to "go fuck themselves with a chainsaw". I reported it, no response. I bumped it, still no response. I even checked the thread a couple times to see if a decision was made. If they did make one later, they sure didn't inform me of it. Just an example of how one-sided it is over here.

DA, mind if I ask you what life as a yo-yo is like? :p

Try not to get deleted this time! In some sick way, I enjoy reading your RPs...

DA, mind if I ask you what life as a yo-yo is like? :p

Try not to get deleted this time! In some sick way, I enjoy reading your RPs...


I don't want to tell my life story on a forum that will be read by those who would just mock and laugh. If you ever want to hear what life was like growing up for me, IM me.

...I was referring to your deletions and rebirths on NS... a joke, y'know? Never mind :D.

Okay, here's what I understand (from my admittedly limited viewpoint).

Decisive Action posts something involving forced anal sex. Decisive Action is warned. Decisive Action goes a few months without being noticed, then posts something involving forced anal sex again. Decisive Action is deleted.

This apparently is the result of a new policy being undertaken by the Moderators. Role-play is being given less slack with regard to graphic content than it was before. Naturally, they can't go back to the days when AMF was posting insanely graphic content and give him a retroactive warning. All they can do is warn people who do it now.

You see, it's possible to post all sorts of strange, disturbing or erotic (depending on your preference) material on the forums provided you take care in how you describe it. Nathicana and I have posted more than one scene where the rating would be "R" at a minimum, but we've rarely gotten complaints about it because we've been very careful at what we said and what we didn't.

Ironically, we tend to police the #nationstates channel under much the same rules. It's not what you say, it's how you say it.

This new policy may come as a surprise to people. I didn't know about it either until recently. But frankly, it's never been an issue for me or a hundred other posters in the forums because we don't push the boundaries of acceptable usage. If you like to ride the ragged edge of disaster, sooner or later you're going to fall off. Testing boundaries is not a good way to avoid Moderator attention.

As for the accusation that the Moderators are political motivated, I can't say. It sounds suspiciously like sour grapes to me: you can't win by logic, so you'll settle for invective. Frankly, not interested. So long as your role-play is clean, your politics are irrelevant. If you simply must depict scenes of forced sex (anal or otherwise), start your own forums and post it there. We certainly won't tell you that you can't.

Don't suck me into this argument. I've had numerous discussions about my posting of graphic scenes in RP's by the moderators. I even got a ruling from [violet] directly stating that there was no problem with me doing it.

I know for fact that graphic descriptions of sex and rape do not go over well at all with the mods, which is material I never post.

Again, do not suck me into this argument please. This does not concern me.

Okay, here's what I understand (from my admittedly limited viewpoint).

Decisive Action posts something involving forced anal sex. Decisive Action is warned. Decisive Action goes a few months without being noticed, then posts something involving forced anal sex again. Decisive Action is deleted.

This apparently is the result of a new policy being undertaken by the Moderators. Role-play is being given less slack with regard to graphic content than it was before. Naturally, they can't go back to the days when AMF was posting insanely graphic content and give him a retroactive warning. All they can do is warn people who do it now.

You see, it's possible to post all sorts of strange, disturbing or erotic (depending on your preference) material on the forums provided you take care in how you describe it. Nathicana and I have posted more than one scene where the rating would be "R" at a minimum, but we've rarely gotten complaints about it because we've been very careful at what we said and what we didn't.

Ironically, we tend to police the #nationstates channel under much the same rules. It's not what you say, it's how you say it.

This new policy may come as a surprise to people. I didn't know about it either until recently. But frankly, it's never been an issue for me or a hundred other posters in the forums because we don't push the boundaries of acceptable usage. If you like to ride the ragged edge of disaster, sooner or later you're going to fall off. Testing boundaries is not a good way to avoid Moderator attention.

As for the accusation that the Moderators are political motivated, I can't say. It sounds suspiciously like sour grapes to me: you can't win by logic, so you'll settle for invective. Frankly, not interested. So long as your role-play is clean, your politics are irrelevant. If you simply must depict scenes of forced sex (anal or otherwise), start your own forums and post it there. We certainly won't tell you that you can't.


I never considered the RP forced sex, it was a trade, sex for political consideration, hardly rape by any stretch of the imagination, coercion? Maybe, but then again, in a RL situation, nobody would force somebody to accept such a deal, so it can't be called forced sex, more appropriate would be a trade, a form of prostitution...

But meh, I'm not in an arguing mood, I'm going to finish updating all my subscriptions and then go get a box of cigars or something.

Okay, the cigar store was closed and I had to settle for cheap mass-produced cigars elsewhere. :(

Anyway, I was warned, not to RP any graphic forced sex, rape, etc, so on a technicality, since it wasn't forced or rape, and really wasn't that graphic (well the degree of graphic is open to interpretation, but it surely was consensual) so since I wasn't warned about consensual stuff, can I be held responsible for something I wasn't warned about?


I think that means I win on a technicality?

Since I was technically never warned about consensual stuff provided it wasn't explicit and detailed, and that RP contained no graphic description of the actual act...

Meh, just something I thought about while I was walking in the cool night air, being hit by a light rain, smoking my cigar (something I like to do often)


Thoughts?

Frankly, I'd like to go on record as disagreeing with this policey such as it is. Although I find the content disturbing, the fact is, read any serious novel and it will possibly have some stuff that will bother you. The question is: is the content favouring the action or depicting it as horrible? I think that this was not graphic in depiction, I think the most graphic thing was undressing and stating what sort of sex took place. You can read worse things that than in off the shelf magazines.
However, I myself wrote in that thread a graphic description of a woman cutting her own throat with a glass bottle and was not given a warning. So I'm wondering...just wondering...what this all means.

Okay, the cigar store was closed and I had to settle for cheap mass-produced cigars elsewhere. :(

Anyway, I was warned, not to RP any graphic forced sex, rape, etc, so on a technicality, since it wasn't forced or rape, and really wasn't that graphic (well the degree of graphic is open to interpretation, but it surely was consensual) so since I wasn't warned about consensual stuff, can I be held responsible for something I wasn't warned about?


I think that means I win on a technicality?

Since I was technically never warned about consensual stuff provided it wasn't explicit and detailed, and that RP contained no graphic description of the actual act...

Meh, just something I thought about while I was walking in the cool night air, being hit by a light rain, smoking my cigar (something I like to do often)


Thoughts?

There are no winners in deletion.

I think that means I win on a technicality?
No, you don't. The decision was handed down that DA get axed; DA was axed and, barring admin reversal, will stay axed. As for the 'but other people got away with it in the past' argument, well, we should've gotten that too. As it is, there's a fine line between toeing the line and abuse and, because of what can be argued to be far too much abuse of explicit material, we're cracking down on it.

Orders from the top.

No, you don't. The decision was handed down that DA get axed; DA was axed and, barring admin reversal, will stay axed. As for the 'but other people got away with it in the past' argument, well, we should've gotten that too. As it is, there's a fine line between toeing the line and abuse and, because of what can be argued to be far too much abuse of explicit material, we're cracking down on it.

Orders from the top.


Fair enough, I guess... Would it be appropriate for me to post iffy RPs on other forums, and then just type in the thread, "the next post update was iffy, IM me for a link" and then continue with the next update after that, which is NS appropriate?

We should start a petition to get DA back!

We should start a petition to get DA back!
Have fun with that. Read the transcript from the IRC convo again and you'll see it was 7 mods voted in favour. Besides, I doubt you'll get enough signatures. My pen stays well away from anything both pro DecA AND anti-Mods. Nope, I like my nation the way it is thanks. Besides, you can't force the mods to change their decision, thats why they're mods, to make decisions.

We should start a petition to get DA back!

Knock yourself out. It would, however, be a total waste of time seeing as answer to admin, not players.

We should start a petition to get DA back!

There are alot of groups petitioning for things to be done in Nationstates... alot of them are bigger then the group which wants Decisive Actions original nation back... at the most I can see many 20 nations for such a petition, which would be nothing in comparison to the people wanting democracy for moderators on the forum who are also not getting anywhere fast.

You have to understand that this forum is ulimately a private forum owned by Max Barry, he picked out a large portion of the Admins and Moderators (can't say exactly how much because I don't pay attention). When it comes to accountability there isn't a democratic process which involves the people who play the game, only those who are chosen to moderate the game get a say in whats law and what isn't, based on the wishes of the man who owns the forum.

Even if it was a democratic process, there are easily most 120'000 nations. Twenty of those nations asking for change wouldn't really have anything close to a majority of opinion.

We should start a petition to get DA back!



Meh, I'm still here, just as VE now. Yeah, it stinks, whenever I got large, as CM, then as DA, I conveniently got deleted. I don't recall how many times DA got deleted, supposedly by people who supposedly didn't know the CM issue was resolved. Anyway, no point staying stuck on things that are over and done with.

I just can't undestand why they would let create a new nation and RP as that one, just not DA

Probably punishment... afterall you seen how they deal with UN multi cheats? When someone is caught their UN nations are deleted, however they aren't IP banned so they can create a new nation and make it UN again. However, if they do it again they will be deleted again with all their UN nations. The final time is the IP ban when they can't come back on the game.

If the break in the rules is serious enough the first time, then it's probably IP ban first time, however most cases result in a simple deletion. It's a way of basically punishing them without banning them.

Some would argue that you could warn them, however they are usually warned before deletion. The deletion is just a more harsh warning. Lets face it, what Decisive Action did wasn't serious, but it was a rule break as defined by seven moderators. They won't ban him unless he does something much more serious, personally I wouldn't keep testing the limits.

As if.

Then again, feel free. I'm sure they'll get all the attention they deserve. That or you'll get banned for spamming up their workload with your personal issues ... couldn't say.

After all, I'm not a mod.

Now, for the final time, will you please take your problems, your whine, and your insistence on being the center of attention here elsewhere? This thread isn't about you, however much you'd like it to be.

As if.

Then again, feel free. I'm sure they'll get all the attention they deserve. That or you'll get banned for spamming up their workload with your personal issues ... couldn't say.

After all, I'm not a mod.

Now, for the final time, will you please take your problems, your whine, and your insistence on being the center of attention here elsewhere? This thread isn't about you, however much you'd like it to be.


The point is I don't want to be the center of attention, I'd much rather people just stop scrutinizing everything I do.

Then stop posting here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=395843) off topic or trying to crusade for personal benefit. For the love - I thought I addressed what -small- bit of yours I referenced with tact and politeness. It was not a flat-out accusation, nor an invitation to make a bigger deal over this than necessary. The sooner you get on with your life and stop making such a fuss, the sooner people -will- leave you alone most likely.

If moving forward and not drawing attention truly is your goal, put your money where your mouth is and do so.

Now. Please, folks - keep the thread on topic. It's cluttered enough as it is.

These and many of the following posts moved from another thread, clarifying the link above. Also removed the offending word, as promised. Carry on.

Then stop posting here

Why do you act as though you are a mod?

For the love, boy -





I think calling me "boy" = flaming.

Nice way to butcher a sentence Kahta - "Then stop posting here off topic or trying to crusade for personal benefit." was the actual sentence. If you read it through you'd notice it wasn't "like a mod" at all. Now, i'm sorry for that, let's make it the last off topic post.

Typically things progress from a warning to a temporary forum ban (1-2 weeks, right?)

But with me, they cut to the chase and the axe falls...

I think that perhaps a temporary ban would have been called for, but they went way overboard, in my opinion, and in the opinions of everybody I've talked to on MSN and Yahoo.

But hey, it was their call to make, I guess...

I think calling me "boy" = flaming.
"Oh curse you mods, sexually and violently charged posts are not offensive."

"What's that, someone called me 'boy'?"
"Oh most dire of insults, gravest of offenses! "

"Oh curse you mods, sexually and violently charged posts are not offensive."

"What's that, someone called me 'boy'?"
"Oh most dire of insults, gravest of offenses! "



It's a racially offensive word, I could be a colored man, you can't be sure (I'm white, but hey, it was always remotely possible I was colored)


Anyway, I am a midwestern good ole boy, and I take extreme offensive to being called "Boy" unless it is preceded by "Good Ole".

It's a racially offensive word, I could be a colored man, you can't be sure (I'm white, but hey, it was always remotely possible I was colored)


Anyway, I am a midwestern good ole boy, and I take extreme offensive to being called "Boy" unless it is preceded by "Good Ole".
It's also a word used to address young males, such as you appear to be.

Note: Hell, I've been called 'boy' by Nathi on many an occasion. You're assumption that it was meant as a racial slur is both incorrect and rather premature.

It's also a word used to address young males, such as you appear to be.

Note: Hell, I've been called 'boy' by Nathi on many an occasion. You're assumption that it was meant as a racial slur is both incorrect and rather premature.



Yeah so it's offensive, I'm an adult male and insist not on being talked to like I'm 12 years old.

Either she can call me by my SN, and I'll call her by her's, or she can just leave me alone. It's really quite simple.

Um, Nathi calls me boy from time to time ... I certainly don't consider it a flame.

Um, Nathi calls me boy from time to time ... I certainly don't consider it a flame.


Okay, maybe she didn't mean it that way, but I've asked her not to call me it, I hope she can respect and honor that request.

I'm pretty sure I've seen Moderator opinions on this kind of "flaming" before. I'm pretty sure the response was invariably, "grow a skin." You're stretching awfully hard for something to get worked up about there, and I for one am not buying it.

I'm guessing your biggest problem is that you perceive that we don't respect you. I wish I could reassure you that we do, but I'm not going to lie. Your behaviour and attitudes toward role-play, the forums and other people in general have given a lot of people good reason to avoid you. Not because you're scary but because they find your style of role-play repugnant.

Finding ways to shock people and stir up trouble is just going to encourage them to find reasons to ask for you to be deleted and banned. If you find the rules of the forum to be too restrictive then I honestly recommend you find somewhere else to play. If you can tone down your attitude and rhetoric then you might have a more rewarding experience online.

Ultimately, it's up to you. I'm sure I offended you with this post, but I'm not going to apologise for being honest. As I see it, you have two choices: clean up your act or leave.

I'd also like to see a link to the topic in question. DA brought up a legitimate point in that mod chat; the mods tend to let their political views and ideals get in the way of their jobs. Case in point, I (a staunch conservative who has certainly made their views known on these boards) labeled a left-winger in the UN forums a "smarmy fuck" and got banned for three days about three minutes after posting. The following week, I'm cruising through the General forum when I find another poster (a blatant liberal) telling someone to "go fuck themselves with a chainsaw". I reported it, no response. I bumped it, still no response. I even checked the thread a couple times to see if a decision was made. If they did make one later, they sure didn't inform me of it. Just an example of how one-sided it is over here.

Coincidence? Maybe so many other people started threads in Moderation that your thread got buried. Or, perhaps most of them were away. Or they never saw it, or something.

Why do you act as though you are a mod?

I don't. I go out of my way to make sure it's clear I'm only offering my take on it, just as anyone is free to do around here, so long as it keeps within the boundaries set forth.

2. No, people need to be put in their place. People are used to too many freedoms, mainly those from western countries.

Here's a better one. Why do you seem to act like such a Troll?

Blah blah oppressive, biased mods, you know what I have to say.

Blah blah oppressive, biased mods, you know what I have to say.
And you have been asked not to spam / troll in Moderation. Please stop.

And you have been asked not to spam / troll in Moderation. Please stop.
I'm doing neither, thank you very much. I actually mean that, and if you'd kindly look at the deffinition of spam you'll see it's "pointless" whatever, which mine is not. Nor is it off-topic, in my opinion.
As for trolling: he asked why the guy was deated, I gave him my opinion. This is certainly no worse than the vast majority of stuff in General. I don't mean to piss anyone off, I just mean to call attention to an issue that I see as a legitimate issue here on NS. If you want to ignore that issue, there's not much I can do, but that doesn't mean I've done anything wrong in bringing it to your attention.

Coincidence? Maybe so many other people started threads in Moderation that your thread got buried. Or, perhaps most of them were away. Or they never saw it, or something.


I've had a few moderation threads go ignored, so after 3 days I went into IRC and was told, politely, to "stop wasting our valuable time" and to "get lost" but very politely, they use polite words. (I have logs for those who want to see, IM or TG me).

In my experiences, the only one of them I like is Salusa.

I've had a few moderation threads go ignored, so after 3 days I went into IRC and was told, politely, to "stop wasting our valuable time" and to "get lost" but very politely, they use polite words. (I have logs for those who want to see, IM or TG me).

In my experiences, the only one of them I like is Salusa.
See? I'm not the only one.

Just take a look at all of the topics posted in moderation today. It fills the first page, and goes on. There are so many requests in the Moderation forum, not to mention on IRC, and they can only do so much. Sometimes, they miss a few links here or there, heck, a few of mine have been missed, but I don't take offense to it. Just keep respectively bumping it until they notice it. Being rude about it won't get them to help you quicker.

I'm doing neither, thank you very much. I actually mean that, and if you'd kindly look at the deffinition of spam you'll see it's "pointless" whatever, which mine is not. Nor is it off-topic, in my opinion.


You're correct in the fact that spam is pointless, however, the fact that you post "The mods are bias" in a lot of threads, esp. as of late, without showing any sort of legitimate argument for it, shows that it is spam. You're throwing accusations at people that you really don't even know. You aren't contributing anything, especially to this thread which was asking Myrth why he took action in a specific thread.

Looks like we've got three or four different topics running here. The question as to why DecA was deleted has been posted, the rest of this is... well... irrelevant.

Further appeals may be filed as appropriate.