NationStates Jolt Archive

There is some disagreement between the mods and I about my status as a native here. However, it is really not important. The mods agree that I have a right to be delegate here.

Why didn't you quote the rest of the conversation between the mods and I? Like, the part where the mods condemn Cpl Canada's effort to use the mods to delete me? How about the part in which I catalogue all the positive contributions I have made to the region?

Yes, the mods say I can ban them. Yes, I will take them off the regional ban list (I would have anyway). However, should they be ejected and attempt to re-enter, they will be ejected once again.

Would you clarify whether constantly kicking someone out of their native region is considered Griefing or not?

aslong as he give them the pw, and also unbans them right after he ejects them, then no it is not griefing.
and if they keep comming back he can keep doing it just like that

I don't mean to be picky RTW, but I'd prefer a moderator rule on this issue, rather than take your word for it.

aslong as he give them the pw, and also unbans them right after he ejects them, then no it is not griefing.
and if they keep comming back he can keep doing it just like that
Incorrect.

If the Delegate and a native repeatedly eject/unban/reenter, then it is spam and both parties will be officially warned for spamming the Regional Happenings.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

*blink*

So we are revisiting Corinthe v. Fisz, which I'm too tired to dig the link up for right now?

Ok, what if the nation banning was an invader delegate, and the nation being banned was a native?

Incorrect.

If the Delegate and a native repeatedly eject/unban/reenter, then it is spam and both parties will be officially warned for spamming the Regional Happenings.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator
so basicly if i am a invaider del. and i eject a nation and they come back i cant eject them a second time?
this makes no sence from what i have known

Nooo ...

It means you CAN kick them again from the region I suppose ...

Its just you CAN'T do it so often as that it spams up the regional happenings list you know ...

( Assume the lowest one is the most recent ... )

Z minutes / Hours Ago : X ejected and banned Y from the region

Z minutes / Hours Ago : Y deprted for the Rejected Realms

Z minutes / Hours Ago : X removed Y from the regional ban list

Z minutes / Hours Ago : Y came into the region from the Rejected Realm / @@REGION@@

Then assume that X kicks Y again and the process repeats and you already have 8 lines on the regional happenings of the same stuff ... You can see how it could be thought of as spam.

Mind you, when an Invader delegate is kicking the same native over, and over again, one would think that would be pushing the limits of legality ...

If I may, I would like to remind you that the issue is moot until I actually eject someone. So let me put this in some context. Recently I have led the region to stability after it was invaded on Cpl Canada's watch. I have since established close ties with The Proliteriat Coalition and this has been greatly beneficial for the region.

Nevertheless, Cpl Canada continues his emotional rants. He remains beyond reason or compromise, probably because he is jealous that some one who is not him is delegate. Things escalated when Cpl Canada threatened to manipulate the mods in order to delete me. (He has since been approached by one of the mods for that). Because of the severity of his actions and my desire to seek peace between us, I have given him an ultimatum to repent or face ejection. Yet, his theoretical return to the region, should he be ejected and allowed back into the region (he already has the password), and my inability not to again eject this player, would seriously seem to undermine the need for accountability in this particular context.

Taxachussetts
Regional Delegate
North Atlantic

*blink*

So we are revisiting Corinthe v. Fisz, which I'm too tired to dig the link up for right now?

That was my thought when I read that too! Neut's prior ruling was that only the nation being booted was at fault and could at some point remain on the banlist for a day to prevent immediate returning.

Then again, I objected to that ruling when it was made, so am kinda happy to see it placed on the table for re-examination.

Ballotonia

Yeah, it is kinda strange when a native trying to enter its own region, over and over again, would be spam, and the delegate ejecting it, over and over again, is not considered spam.
There is really no point to eject a native over and over again, unless you want to griefe that person personally.

As I pointed out, the certain player that I intend to eject has threatened to manipulate the mods to get me deleted, I think there ought to be some sort of accountability for such a severe offense against me beyond mere words. In such a case, an ejection ought to stand, at least for a little while.

As I pointed out, the certain player that I intend to eject has threatened to manipulate the mods to get me deleted, I think there ought to be some sort of accountability for such a severe offense against me beyond mere words. In such a case, an ejection ought to stand, at least for a little while.

You should know how mods think about being used. Instead of creating a circle of banning and unbanning a native, it was much easier to simply report him for threatening with mod actions. Admit it. You love the power and you love to eject him over and over again. :p

Ok thanks for the advice. Thankfully, it hasn't yet been necessary to keep ejecting, and certainly if this comes up my first reaction will be to report it to the mods. I just didn't want to be deleted simply because this player or players was creating a crisis that happened to stumble into a highly controversial grey area of the rules. That player (Cpl Canada) in particularly sorely deserves to be ejected, and there are others in the region who have been repeatedly reported to the mods (for instance, Hirsute Satellites).

Yeah, it is kinda strange when a native trying to enter its own region, over and over again, would be spam, and the delegate ejecting it, over and over again, is not considered spam.
There is really no point to eject a native over and over again, unless you want to griefe that person personally.
or they persent a threat to you del position and you know you wont be on at the update but also that they may ot be to

or they persent a threat to you del position and you know you wont be on at the update but also that they may ot be to

They are only a threat to your delegateship, if you have no time to eject him a minute before the update. Ejecting until one party gets warned for spamming is a stupid strategy. That would mean that you're using the mods to defeat your oponents, in an indirect way.