NationStates Jolt Archive

We have decided to follow your suggestions and we have cleared the Region. Now we want to recreate it so we'll be able to have a founder that could definitly protect us from the cheaters, but we need the region to be re-founded as soon as possible 'coz cheaters may create it before us. The Region is still pw-protected but if they create it just after the refresh we will definitly loose the Region. Please refresh it now so we can end this annoying story. Thank you very much in advance!

This is not possible. You'll have to wait until the game updates for the region to be deleted.
It's just the risk you take when you refound the region.

What the hell??? Even a delegate isn't allowed to kick out lots of nations.. this constitutes griefing. Has policy changed?

What the hell??? Even a delegate isn't allowed to kick out lots of nations.. this constitutes griefing. Has policy changed?

I read 'cleared out' as in they all left. If the delegate emptied the region, then this would be the case.

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But I see Italy as containing 40 nations and having a founder...

It's ITALIA (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=italia), and it's been griefed by SpawnVD. Nothing voluntary here.

'spawnvd' and his puppet, 'la_grande_milano' have both been deleted. My puppet, 'temporary_founders' has been given Founder access (temporarily, of course). The natives are welcome to return, or refound the Region legally if they so desire.

Please listen to me and sorry for my "maccheroni english". La grande milano has got the password of Spawn nation and use it to delete the region Italia. Who post in this forum is not Spawn. Look to the IP address of Spawn nation. The really Spawn is enter one hour ago with is originally IP address and has eliminate the password to enter in the region. But la grande milano has delete the Spawn nation now. We are under attack. It's all an illegal attack to our region!

I see that you understand the problem and now we have got a temporary founder

Now what can will do our delegate Spawn to have his old Nation? It's not his fault if it's happen all this to our region.

An admin will have to look into claims of the nation being stolen. For now, Italia is safe, my puppet has Founder controls, and the Delegate controls are off.

umm..how did la grande milano get spawn..something's password?

The same thing it's happening in our friends region Nuova Italia. La Grande Milano has doing a 360° attack

" Hi, I am La grande Milano.. i would like to know what the hel happened to my nation, I only know that this morning i found two illegal trials of getting my password. I dont know what Cerone is talking about, i kìonly know that spawnvd hates me because in the past I was an enemy and he ejected me from Italia. I dont have anything to do with italia and spawn anymore, please leave me alone and give me back my nation. the only explanation i can give is that he probablky managed to steal my password and i know it was his intention to cvlear the region so that he could become a founder, not knowing probably that griefing is illegal.

La Grande Milano "

umm..how did la grande milano get spawn..something's password?

I dont know. I speak with the real Spawn by MSN but he dont known how it happened. Because he one hour and half ago was able to enter with his nation but in six minutes he was delete by the UN member and one minute left he was totally delete from NS

I'll try to explain it a little bit simplier.
La Grande Milano (he was know as Mediolanum,but he got it cancelled) managed to steal SpawnVD's password,logged in and started to kick out nations out of the ITALIA region.
(SpawnVD,before the attack,saw that someone was attempting to log in with his nation multiple times).
Also,he posted here,in the NS forum (where the real SpawnVD has never posted before) so I suggest to check the IPs and see that SpawnVD had his nation stolen.
What we ask is if you could (after doing the appropriate checks) give to the REAL SpawnVD his nation back and solve our problem about the region founder.
thank you

I dont know who do everything. But i think it's simple to the admin take a look to the IP Address and try to see if really La grande Milano it's not in fault

Take a look to this nation "The democratic Repubblic of Pasquazzo" in the nation of Nuova Italia. He has got an endorsement by la grande milano but he confirm me that he can't use his nation. He is already under attack.

check the IPs,the real SpawnVD connects from Naples,this guy (La Grande Milano) from Milan.
I think it's simply impossible for a person to connect from two distant cities in such a short period of time.

An admin will have to look into claims of the nation being stolen. For now, Italia is safe, my puppet has Founder controls, and the Delegate controls are off.


well, like dear old hack said..

just be patient, i'm sure sal or another admin will solve this if it's true :)

check the IPs,the real SpawnVD connects from Naples,this guy (La Grande Milano) from Milan.
I think it's simply impossible for a person to connect from two distant cities in such a short period of time.

it's possible...sorta, not sure if it works for NS though..

Let's see here...

'Pasquazzo' has no strange happenings, and no evidence of someone attempting to control his nation. Also, as he is the Founder of 'nuova_italia', he can do just about whatever he wants.

The 'SpawnVD' situation has been forwarded to an Administrator, please be patient. Should there be sufficient evidence of nation stealing, I can't imagine that 'SpawnVD' wouldn't have his nation returned to him.

A permanent Founder for Italia is a rather different situation, however.

Hi all, i am not into this mess, as i am in a separate regione but i know quite well all the people in the Regione Italia, as i have been there a lot of time ago.

First of all it seems to me quite impossible that someone finds out the password of somone else's nation and plus spawnvd is quite an obscure figure in this game. Although he never had troubles with the moderation i have always had many reserves on him. And I can confirm he hates some other guys from Milan and probably hates me as well.

To me it is therefore quite possible that he created 2 nations ( la grande Milano and Spawnvd) with two different IP's maybe resulting to 2 different cities and made out all this mess to definetly kill the regione italia. the reason for this ? the situation in italia was quite going out of control and he wouldnt have kept control of the region for much longer, since everyone hated him there. He is probably too much attached to power and prefers to see ITALIA dead than another delegate in his place.

These however are just considerations of someone who is completely out of this game and does not want to enter into it at all.

Kind Regards,

Lombardo-veneta

the situation in italia was quite going out of control and he wouldnt have kept control of the region for much longer, since everyone hated him there. He is probably too much attached to power and prefers to see ITALIA dead than another delegate in his place.

These however are just considerations of someone who is completely out of this game and does not want to enter into it at all.

Kind Regards,

Lombardo-veneta

What are you saying? Situation out of control? too much attached to power? But only one month ago we do try to do a real Role Gameplay. Say the truth. You're jealous because we have got the password and you cant have the power!

oh come on you're just trying to climb the mirror with your response.
everyone in ITALIA knows that you're a friend of La Grande Milano/Mediolanum (which is not a PUPPET,like Lombardo-Veneta is trying to explain).
Also,could you tell me why a Neapolitan like SpawnVD would create a region called NAPOLI MERDA (for the non-italians-> it means: Naples s**t) after kicking everybody out of the region?
You also say about the situation being unstable in the region ITALIA and that SPAWNVD kicked everyone out when he (ipotetically) was losing the region's control;well I reply with this:
No one knows that you guys created PUPPETS to obtain control of the region plus inserting the region's password to keep everybody out.
Anyway I'm confident that the moderators will sort this problem out quickly.

Regards

look i just said my consideration.. why are you attacking me ? who are you ?yes, i am friend of mediolanvm who doesnt exist anymore so what ?

i hope moderators will solve this as well

Lombardo-veneta

Could everyone just calm down already? This thing is being looked over by the mods and the worst thing you can do is flame in moderation.

Its like shooting yourself in the left foot, unlogical and plain stupid.

First of all it seems to me quite impossible that someone finds out the password of somone else's nation

actually, that is possible..there was a while back a case of a bunch of stolen nations through a hole in the security of proboards for example..

i know where they toke the password to SpawnVD.
He used the same password in s4.invisionfree.com/regione_italia it was our ex regional forum. Now we substitued it...
I hope some admin can contact me in some way coz i was the last person who asked an founder in our region. Please contact me on MSN xen1985@hotmail.com .

"in that forum there was la grande milano too, spawn could have stolen the password there, ossimoro is the best friend of spawn dont listen to him. stopo cheating, you dont understand admins will never put founder on the region italia because they know the truth and if they do they will never give it to you anyway!!! "

i am posting on his behalf because he cannot get into this site.

Lombardo-veneta

do they know what?
Lombardo-veneta
Pontida
Medionalum
La grande milano
ecc

Where exiled forum UN, Mediolanum had his nation DELETED and they are all from MILAN.
My nation is UN MEMBER so it shows i don't cheat!
However i asked many times about our situations but never someone heard me! Now I WANT a founder in ITALIA as we asked many times and i want justice! I ask to the mods and admin to restore SPAWNVD coz he is INNOCENT. If you see his IPs, he use alwais an ip of NEAPLES but this morning or this night he used an ip from MILAN. You understand ther's something strange. After, spawnVD doesn't speak english but he start this 3d... it seems strange. If you see all ip of La grande milano, you understand he is from MILAN, if you see all IP of SpawnVD he is from Neaples so what Lombardo-veneta says it's only a lie.

i know where they toke the password to SpawnVD.
He used the same password in s4.invisionfree.com/regione_italia it was our ex regional forum. Now we substitued it...

This is not possible since the proboard's trick doesn't work in invisionfree ;)

one of them is a ADMIN of that forum i think... this is the best way to take a password... unfortunally i never was a admin so i don't know it exactly but in some invision forum is possible to see the password of users

i'm la grande milano, i don't know if that is the way they stole my password, but guess what....spawn was an admin of that forum too!! i don't know why they did this thing, we were even away from that italian Region, i think they just hate us so much they wanted to accuse us even for this story. Spawn and Ossimoro just want more and more power in Italia, so they put a password, they don't let ppl come in, they are tryin to become founders. Of course they can do that, but they can get the approvement of the nations in italia only if they accuse us. I'd like to have my nation back, i don't wanna have anything to do with this ppl so just leave me alone. p.s. i don't know if spawn has really used an ip from milan, but he could just ask a favour to a friend that lives there, or use a proxy. i just don't care, but stop annoying me even when i'm not in Italia.

why your nation were banned from UN? Meneghino... don't lie

However i think this showed what can heppen in a region without a founder. I asked many times to have one... but nobody understood so this happened.
However if you see the IPs and you chack it, you'll understand it alone.
Admin, please contact me privately.
Meneghino, what you wrote has not sense we lived well without you.

La grande milano was UN. You tell me not to lie? Please, stop acting like a moron.

Mediolanvm (alias La grande Milano), Lombardo-Veneto (alias Lombardo-veneta), Pontida, Popolo Celtico (this one had injured the southern italians)and others have cheated in ITALIA for months. When we discovered them, you've ejected their nations from the UN and we've kicked them from ITALIA. Now, they've stolen SpawnVD's password (that's the same on another forum where Pontida and Risorgimento are admins), and kicked us from Italia. If we had a founder, we could protect our region from the "milanes lobby" but allow everyone to enter in ITALIA. I, Ossimoro, Spawnvd, Nebolous Avalon, Petit Terre de France, Zollar, Nihilandia, Havensport, Olympic, Cullinania and others can confirm that we are in truth. SpawnVD is frome Naples, I'm sure.

one of them is a ADMIN of that forum i think... this is the best way to take a password... unfortunally i never was a admin so i don't know it exactly but in some invision forum is possible to see the password of users
I'm an Admin on the offsite forum for "The Realm of Ambrosia". We use InvisionFree. I can't see users passwords.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
Founder and Delegate of The Realm of Ambrosia

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All I see here, right now, is a lot of denials, accusations, and counter-accusations. iLock pending investigation.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitationi
NationStates Game Moderator

Use UNIQUE passwords for EACH site that you visit... and a combination of UPPERCASE, lowercase, numerals and special characters to make password thefts less likely.

SpawnVD, you've been restored and will be permitted to rejoin the UN as it appears that La Grande Milano did hack you.

I'm happy that you've recognized who is innocent.

in some invision forum is possible to see the password of users
All versions of Invision Board encrypt passwords using PHP's md5() function (http://www.php.net/md5). Check the source code if you don't believe it. There is no way for an admin to check Invision users' passwords because there is no way to undo an md5 hash.

as you saw from ips "la grande milano" haked!
It's not a strange thing as i said he use to do these things, i don't know how exactly but it happened!