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My nation called Pureplayzland and arkaland where in the UN there my nations and them I paid the price when I got the two UN nations out of the UN by the MODS and then I got this nation Pureplayzron, Then I had only `1 UN nation in nationstates which is Pureplayzron, then I get a telegram that said can't have to nation in the UN and Pureplayzland deleted and shouldn't have got deleted this is not right!

If the Moderators can see this please re-store Pureplayzland back! thank you

Can you guys help

You might want to look at the timing on -when- all this happened for some answers. It's been recommended that you wait 24 hours before applying for another UN membership so that things do not get crossed.

If you had both in as UN multies before, it would seem that's why they were deleted. You have your current nation up and running, that didn't get deleted apparently. Seems offhand that the multies were deleted, and your current was denied membership on account. I'm sure a moderator who knows better what the situation is on their end can get you a more complete answer.

Did you wait 24 hours after your old nations were in the UN before you re-applied?

Wasn't for the UN thing, apparently--that was just a warning because the cheatscan tripped. Here's the warning tag in Pureplayzland:

UN warning: daft proposal (9 OCT 04) - $MOD && $OTHER_MOD: UN multi ('pureplayzland', 'sony111', 'arkaland', 'we_rule_the_world'; 29 NOV 04) && GORT for regional recruitment spam in 'mars' (18 JAN 05)

So the nation was revived?

No, Pureplayzland will not be restored as it was deleted for rules violations (see above). Pureplayzron, however, isn't a UN multi and therefore no action will be taken.

No, Pureplayzland will not be restored as it was deleted for rules violations (see above). Pureplayzron, however, isn't a UN multi and therefore no action will be taken.


Thats cheap trying to get me introuble for nothing

Pureplayzron, don't argue with the moderators. They have their reasons. Arguing with them just takes away valuable time when they could be moderating. Your nation broke rules and was deleted. UN multies are not allowed. Period.

Hello!! I am heiligkeit!! Last December I was ejected from the UN...Thsi was an unfair ejection!!!!! I was at a friend's house, adn he was in the UN as well!! We were both ejected!! This is very unfair!! I have posted my plea several times and have not received any response!! Please, I hope someone can correct this mistake!! Thanks!! Oh, and how does one become a game Moderator?(PLease telegram "Heiligkeit" for answer)Thanks!!

Heiligkeit

Hello!! I am heiligkeit!! Last December I was ejected from the UN...Thsi was an unfair ejection!!!!! I was at a friend's house, adn he was in the UN as well!! We were both ejected!! This is very unfair!! I have posted my plea several times and have not received any response!! Please, I hope someone can correct this mistake!! Thanks!! Oh, and how does one become a game Moderator?(PLease telegram "Heiligkeit" for answer)Thanks!!

Heiligkeit

You may not have two UN nations connecting from the same computer.

And since they ( Heiligkeit ) look to be again and again not see-ing the stickied thread on the first page of this forum, to answer their second question they should look here -> CLICK ME ! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=296993)

Having two exclamation marks at the end of each sentence doesn't help either, though.

Having two exclamation marks at the end of each sentence doesn't help either, though.

I agree but the other nation was from my fathers work computer

I agree but the other nation was from my fathers work computer

So how'd they know???

We know everything. ;)

We know everything. ;)

*admires Kat from afar*

I didn't know the game memorizes IP addresses. I only had one nation in the UN, and the game does not warn you about that security system. They could at least tell you to watch out for that. Thanks for the game mod rules...

I didn't know the game memorizes IP addresses. I only had one nation in the UN, and the game does not warn you about that security system. They could at least tell you to watch out for that. Thanks for the game mod rules...


http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=faq

I have more than one nation. Can they all join the UN?
No. You may only have one nation in the UN at any given time. To enforce this, UN member nations must supply an e-mail address.

What if I sneak them in using other e-mail addresses?
First up, don't. This is against the rules, and other people will be annoyed with you when they find out. It's a low, underhand thing to do. And the chances of getting caught are pretty high: the game uses four different methods to detect cheaters.

Nations that rort the UN in this way will be expelled and prevented from re-joining. If you do it with multiple nations, they'll all be deleted, including your main nation. If you're especially annoying, you'll be banned from making any new nations, too. But don't make me do that.

This has also been covered MANY times in Moderation Forum. There are multiple ways in which we determine if someone is trying to use more than one UN nation... and you honestly don't expect us to explain how we catch on, I hope?

I read the FAQs before joining and am well aware of the rules!! This is why I would never do this!! I'm only pointing out that it is very unfair that innocent nations are ejected!! I read somewhere on this forum that SalusaSecondus is able to check if the natiuon was used on a certain IP address for only a few times!! I would like to ask Salusa to please do this when he/she has teh chance!! I have used my neighbor's computer once or twice with my nation!! Also, the IP address of MY computer is used much more with my nation than my neighbor's!! I hope Salusa can check this!! Thank you very much!! :)

Unless a moderator physically comes to your house to verify your story, there's no real way of knowing whether or not you're telling the truth. Only technical information, in this case IP addresses, can be verified.

The rules are clearly stated: Don't ever log onto another computer with your nation, even for a few minutes. There's no way to tell if you're telling the truth or not. Therefore, you ejection will most likely stand in lieu of your claims of innocence. Unfortunately, a few nations ruined the integrity and honesty of us all.

It never says anything about not using your nation with another computer!! You could at least point that out!! It says also on the forum that a game moderator may verify the IP address of the computers that were used to see if a nation was used on an IP address a few times and most of the time on another!!

From here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=274575):

"]Q: My friends operate those other UN member nations. We all share the same computer.
A: I'm sorry if that's the case. There is no way for the game to tell how many people are on the other end of a computer.

[...]

Q: But that's not fair!
A: True, and again, I'm sorry if you and your friends have been punished unjustly. However, this is the closest we can come to fair. If we accepted people's explanations that they were using a public computer with their friends, we would have to let people create as many UN nations as they like. This would destroy the whole point of the UN.

The line has to be drawn somewhere, and thus, fair or not, the rule must stand.

We know everything. ;)

I call OPSEC violation! You're not supposed to reveal that to posters, just hint at it.

But the wink makes us think "Do they really know everything? Do they know anything? Do I know everything? How can I trust someone winking?!"

I am quoting from the technical forum:

"If you've received a warning and don't have multiple UN member nations, just sit tight. If you get expelled or deleted, there will be an appeal process where I can investigate your situation in more detail and see if there was a mistake.

By "mistake," I mean something like: your nation was operated from the same location as another UN member on only one or two occasions, and never since. Not "my friends come around and use my computer for those nations," as per the above."

You see? :sniper:

*admires Kat from afar*
I've got a few nailed down, methinks...

1) E-mail

2) IP

3) Password?

4) Name similarity?

I really think that only the first two are true, and there are no three and four. It's just a ploy to control us.

::twitch::

Great sig. If only it were true.... :p

(By the way, hon, it's I before E except after C.....)

And I think you want Throw OFF, not Throw of

;)

The first two are most likely true...The other aren't!!

I think mods cannot see your password (should be encrypted) but also there is other ways like log-in - log-out time...

By the way, there was a post once telling all those ways but it got deleted :sniper: after we were able to read it :p

And I think you want Throw OFF, not Throw of

;)

Fixed.

Great sig. If only it were true.... :p

(By the way, hon, it's I before E except after C.....)

That's what you're not paid to say. Hmm... mod. :)

And I faled speeling.

Can a moderator please check IP addresses for me?

Can a moderator please check IP addresses for me?

I don't think they're allowed to do that...

I don't think they're allowed to do that...

Of course we can look at IP addresses.

Of course we can look at IP addresses.
But telling them to members? I don't think...

But telling them to members? I don't think...
I don't believe that Heiligkeit meant that s/he wanted their IP, I believe s/he meant that s/he wanted the mods to check their IP and the other nation's and verify that they weren't primarily from the same computer.

Or something like that, I think.

1) E-mail - multiple email addresses ie gmail, yahoo, hotmail etc

2) IP - IP spoof

3) Password? - random password generator

4) Name similarity? - unique names

Tactics one could employ if they really wanted to thwart the system but why bother?

I do not think that those are the methods the game uses to determine if you are a cheater. The only two that we know are:
1) IP Address
2) Log-in pattern detection

The rest are secret.