NationStates Jolt Archive

Why was I kicked from the UN? It says I am only supposed to have one nation, and Im pretty sure I only did have my one.

I am a forum mod, not a game mod, and cannot pull up the specifics of your case.

What MAY have happened:
Do you use a public computer to log in?
Does anyone else log into their UN nation with your computer?
Do you you live in a household with other players of NationStates who also have UN nations on the same computer?

This also has come up: were you looking after someone else's UN Nation?

Did you switch your UN membership from one nation to another without waiting at least 24 hours before reapplying?

If NONE of these are true, let us know.

I live in a house with one other person. He plays with a UN nation. Our IP adresses are similar, but not exact. The IP matching might have though it was the same.

Well, that's probably it then, especially if you've ever logged in on his computer or he on yours.

I would venture a guess he's probably lost his membership as well.

He says he got the same message. Is there anyway to get my membership back?

Unless there is anything else I am not aware of, I'm afraid that will not be possible. Either you or he may create a new nation and join with that, but that's about all you can do.

The Multi-Scan has a number of tests in addition to IP checking; your two nations must have failed a number of them in order to have been kicked.

Well, the only other evidence I can muster, is an extremely different RP style, and use of wording, not to mention punctuation.

I could take one of my puppets and do that. But it would still be mine. I could claim it belongs to someone else, but there is no real way to prove either statement.

So... you are suggesting I have been planning this since the day the nation was made? I have mislead everyone with a nation, that my own has never interacted with? It has been my, ingenius plan? HAH kinda funny. I didn't even know his was a UN nation until now. You point is flawwed. Like I said, there is only so much evidence someone can give online, without revealing one's and others Identities.

So... you are suggesting I have been planning this since the day the nation was made? I have mislead everyone with a nation, that my own has never interacted with? It has been my, ingenius plan? HAH kinda funny. I didn't even know his was a UN nation until now. You point is flawwed. Like I said, there is only so much evidence someone can give online, without revealing one's and others Identities.

Kryozerkia was merely pointing out the fact that the moderators cannot verify that there are two separate people behind the computer, that is, unless you awarded them a paid vacation to your house. ^.^

Unfortunately, that kind of system (where 1 computer has 2 UN nations) cannot work because of the fact that someone would take advantage of it, and create multiple UN puppets to get more influence.

did you 2 share computers or just the network?

If it's two separate computers with their own modems, then, there might be a conflict (due to software bugs), but even then, even if the IP addresses are VERY similar, the MAC addresses are different. So, really, there should be no problems here.

Now, let's assume you are on a LAN (local area network) - not a WAN (this is outside your house/office).

The range for a typical network is: 192.168.1.1-192.168.255.254.

These are network addresses, and this means that these computers are all on a single network segment attached to a router, which then is attached to a single modem. The modem is then assigned another IP address, usually from a third party provider (ISP) and this IP address is broadcast out to the world wide web.

Thus, even if two computers are on the same network, unless they have a non-loopback IP address, a local host IP or a private IP address, they will be identified as one because there is only one broadcast address being sent out. The same applies to MAC (hardware addresses).

So, even if there are legititmently two computers on the network, one belonging to each player, they share a single modem (attached to their LAN router), and hence, share only one IP address... So, that's why it becomes hard to prove that there is more than one computer involved.

If it's two separate computers with their own modems, then, there might be a conflict (due to software bugs), but even then, even if the IP addresses are VERY similar, the MAC addresses are different. So, really, there should be no problems here.

Now, let's assume you are on a LAN (local area network) - not a WAN (this is outside your house/office).

The range for a typical network is: 192.168.1.1-192.168.255.254.

These are network addresses, and this means that these computers are all on a single network segment attached to a router, which then is attached to a single modem. The modem is then assigned another IP address, usually from a third party provider (ISP) and this IP address is broadcast out to the world wide web.

Thus, even if two computers are on the same network, unless they have a non-loopback IP address, a local host IP or a private IP address, they will be identified as one because there is only one broadcast address being sent out. The same applies to MAC (hardware addresses).

So, even if there are legititmently two computers on the network, one belonging to each player, they share a single modem (attached to their LAN router), and hence, share only one IP address... So, that's why it becomes hard to prove that there is more than one computer involved.
well i asked because of this post by Sal
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7873350&postcount=6

So... you are suggesting I have been planning this since the day the nation was made? I have mislead everyone with a nation, that my own has never interacted with? It has been my, ingenius plan? HAH kinda funny. I didn't even know his was a UN nation until now. You point is flawwed. Like I said, there is only so much evidence someone can give online, without revealing one's and others Identities.

I don't believe this is some portion of an evil master plot fwiw, Siestia -- but this is a situation that has come up many times before.

For the record, I am not the Moderator who handled this case.

However, I have looked up the relevant data. "kilmanga" and "siesatia" were ejected from the UN for being former UN multies back in November. That is, they were multies in November and have been operated from different computers since then.

Nevertheless, for two UN member nations to be operated by the same person at any point is a violation of NationStates rules and can warrant ejection from the United Nations (and we do have to assume that one computer means one person).

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator