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Grosseschnauzer is the sponsor of record for "Tsunami Warning System" resolution, which at the moment, is the next resolution in the queue. (There are several other nations who are in other regions who also worked on developing the proposal, but Grosseschnauzer agreed to be listed as the sponsor when the nation that originally offered the proposal went on vacation and asked the other countries who had been involved to continue working on the issue if they desired.)

Grosseschnauzer is also currently in a feeder region that apparently has had a rather odd transfer of control of the delegate nation that is leading to an environment that is not best for the nation of Grosseschnauzer.

Grosseschnauzer fears that, by choice, or necessity, it may need to move to another region, and would thereby lose the endorsements it currently has, and lose its staus of being able to submit proposals in the UN until it has sufficient endorsements in a new region. There is nothing I have been able to find that states what happens to a resolution that has obtained quorum, is awaiting its opportunity to be on the floor, and during that time, the sponsoring nation, whether by choice or force, has to move into a new region.


From reviewing the FAQs and looking at the NS forum threads, I can't find anything that even remoting resembles this situation, or answers the following questions. I respectully request some guidance under the NS game rules as to the following:

(1) Would a change in region by Grosseschnauzer by moving to any other region from its current region have any impact on the resolution since it has had a quorum for several days now, (in fact it has over 300 approvals from delegates at this moment), or does Grosseschnauzer have to wait until some specific event or time before Grosseschnauzer can move to another region without affecting the status of the resolution pending in the queue?

(2) If Grosseschnauzer would have to wait until a particular point in time or event so it did not affect the resolution in the queue and that is coming up next for a vote and being voted on, what would that time or event be?

Any prompt guidance on this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Even if I was to delete "Grosseschnauzer" right now, it would have no effect on his Proposal. He can move with no worries.

Okay, so once you have given something your vote as a delegate, it stays there? if that applies, then it should also go that if you vote for something and then resign from teh UN, your vote will stay... Okay, just wondering

Okay, so once you have given something your vote as a delegate, it stays there? if that applies, then it should also go that if you vote for something and then resign from teh UN, your vote will stay... Okay, just wondering
That's not what he was asking. He was wondering if losing his endorcements would affect the Proposal that he proposed.

ooh! sorry. Well then, could you answer my question anyway, even though, in light of this new revalation, it may change things. Now that i think about it, i guess it probably wouldn't carry on with you even if your not UN anymore...

ooh! sorry. Well then, could you answer my question anyway, even though, in light of this new revalation, it may change things. Now that i think about it, i guess it probably wouldn't carry on with you even if your not UN anymore...
If you're a delegate and you leave the UN(eg: booted, resigned, DEETed, etc) the vote vanishes.

Not sure on that. It's a coding issue. I believe the support leaves when the nation giving it loses Delegate status (for any reason).

Well, unless Salsua changed the code about that since I was a delegate, it vanishes. *shrug*

The Most Glorious Hack, We thank you for your quick response. It certainly simplifies the regional issue for us.

Not sure on that. It's a coding issue. I believe the support leaves when the nation giving it loses Delegate status (for any reason).

You might want to double check that. I believe I may have seen cases where somebody who endorsed one proposal was still counted and may no longer by the UN Delegate. I could be wrong, or I might have caught the UN in the middle of an update cycle, but I shop from other proposals as much as I do from lists I've built and have noticed that in many smaller regions there is a moderate amount of turnover in the Delegate position.

My own region holds elections every two months (and I suspect this is very common).



As for the original question the historical example is the Epidemic Prevention Protocol, sponsored by Haui bei. I just happened to be watching / lurking on the UN board when Haui and Slackerness (the two authors of that resolution) were campaigning. I believe their proposal was the fastest I've seen to reach quorum, making it in about a 24-hour period, but I missed all of 2002 and 2003 and many of the 2004 endorsement campaigns.

In any event, I was shocked when I saw the message announced that Haui bei was removed from the UN for rules violations (what I don't know). For some reason I think Haui bei may have been deleted actually, because I remember there not being a link to the name Haui bei. I immediately checked to see the status of his resolution Epidemic Prevention Protocol, and it and Slackerness were carrying on fine. IIRC, The resolution continued as a proposal even after Haui bei's *link* was gone.

In any event, Haui bei was not a UN member when his resolution reached the UN floor in Oct 2004. And it went on to capture 83% of the vote (which puts it in the upper quartile for support).

Coding issues aside (I'm ignorant of those), the justification for allowing a proposal to reach the floor after a nation has lost their UN status or even existence, is each endorsement is a Delegate saying that they approve of the current text and also sponsor it reaching the UN floor for debate. Though the reason we can't make amendments to proposals seeking endorsements is technical, in the real world, if a change were made to a document, those who had previously endorsed it should be notified and given the chance to change their support ... putting something like that in the game would be a mechanism for abuse.

For example, I could write a resolution on saving the rain forests, and probably collect 150 endorsements by the third run through the queue with a bit of effort (not an easy task). But if I were to wait hours before a proposal that reached the queue was to hit the UN floor and change it to say a "Ban Clowns" resolution, the moderators might not have a chance to delete it for being inappropriate, nor would some of those delegates be online to withdrawl their support.

I like how documents are locked, and feel that the UN / game status of an author is no longer important once a single additional Delegate endorsement has been given.

I wanted to advise that I did move Grosseschnauzer out of my old region to a new region before the resolution vote commenced.

However, this may have uncovered a bug in the game software.
I had been advised that when the voting commenced, I would recieve a telegram from the NS Mods congratulating my nation concerning the resolution informing me that the floor vote had commenced. Assuming that is accurate, I never received such a telegram once the vote commenced Saturday night/Sunday morning. Just thought I would mention it.

I wanted to advise that I did move Grosseschnauzer out of my old region to a new region before the resolution vote commenced.

However, this may have uncovered a bug in the game software.
I had been advised that when the voting commenced, I would recieve a telegram from the NS Mods congratulating my nation concerning the resolution informing me that the floor vote had commenced. Assuming that is accurate, I never received such a telegram once the vote commenced Saturday night/Sunday morning. Just thought I would mention it.

I think that was a misunderstanding on my part.

The mods / game does not send telegrams to players when resolutions reach the UN floor.

There are rare times when game mods have sent a "thumbs up" telegram just to say they've been watching a proposal. I shouldn't even say "times", but time, as I've only gotten one positive telegram from the mods, and that was in the Jolt server was done. My guess is that without a forum around, they weren't so busy playing cops and robbers. :)

But it is nice to have a player who moved regions while a resolution was in queue to reach the floor come out and confirm this.