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I am being persecuted. Some mOd does not like me.

That's what you get for capturing not one, but TWO!

We can not help if you do not know how to kiss arse ;)

Yeah with hindsight your "Myrth is mr goatse" thread was a bad move.

I captured one, someone else caught the other. I only poked it with a stick..

We can not help if you do not know how to kiss arse ;)

I can, I choose not to

As I said...

http://img119.exs.cx/img119/4510/untitled4gg.jpg

Yeah with hindsight your "Myrth is mr goatse" thread was a bad move.


Eh?

In before the lock.

Why do you all care if you're in before a possible lock?

In before lock (and WG's potential ban)

Bbbbaannn? really now, this is harsh.

"in before the ban"

Now there's an interesting concept

I think Im about to get banned too--Im getting the same kind of cryptic warnings I got before my last one

I think Im about to get banned too--Im getting the same kind of cryptic warnings I got before my last one
Yes! Goodbye

Bbbbaannn? really now, this is harsh.
people have been banned for far less--believe me. I was once banned for a week for posting a disturbing mental image

I think Im about to get banned too--Im getting the same kind of cryptic warnings I got before my last one

I got no warning.

Yes! Goodbye
thats something that would cheer you up :mad:

I got no warning.
if they gave warnings then it would be harder for them to ban people that annoy them

In before lock (and WG's potential ban)
In before the lock.
Superpower07 and Roach-Busters: Official Warning - Spam. Do not post "in before the lock" under any circumstances.

I am being persecuted. Some mOd does not like me.
Does this relate to the deletion of "Ur6"? Or is this about something else?

If you'd like, you can E-mail salusa@nationstates.net if you feel we Mods aren't treating you fairly. Be sure to provide a detailed, logical argument to back up your claims. Links to forum topics that exemplify your argument are highly recommended.

As this is a discussion of Moderator conduct, iMove http://assets.jolt.co.uk/forums/images/icons/icon2.gif "Moderation"

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

if they gave warnings then it would be harder for them to ban people that annoy them

Musta got too close.

Superpower07: Official Warning - Spam. Do not post "in before the lock" under any circumstances.


Does this relate to the deletion of "Ur6"? Or is this about something else?

If you'd like, you can E-mail salusa@nationstates.net if you feel we Mods aren't treating you fairly. Be sure to provide a detailed, logical argument to back up your claims. Links to forum topics that exemplify your argument are highly recommended.

As this is a discussion of Moderator conduct, iMove http://assets.jolt.co.uk/forums/images/icons/icon2.gif "Moderation

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Someone is locking all my threads.

if they gave warnings then it would be harder for them to ban people that annoy them
We don't ban people merely for being annoying. If being annoying to the Mods were a NationStates offense, then there are a great many players who would no longer be here. :p

Added the smiley. I forgot the smiley.

Someone is locking all my threads.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380048 You were asking for opinions about word games. The official ruling is that word game topics constitute spam. This policy is not changing, so that's why this topic was locked.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=385648 I'm not entirely clear, myself, why this was locked. I'll ask.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=388923 This is reposting a locked topic. This is not allowed unless a Moderator has explicitly told you otherwise.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=379783 This topic didn't seem to have a point. Probably locked for being spam.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=379450 Clearly spam.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=379445 Looks like a word game. Locked as spam.

That covers all of your topics that were locked from December until now. The next older locked topic started by you was in July.

This (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/search.php?do=process&showposts=0&starteronly=1&exactname=1&searchuser=Word+Games) will give you a list of all the topic you started.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

We don't ban people merely for being annoying. If being annoying to the Mods were a NationStates offense, then there are a great many players who would no longer be here.
Is that meant to imply that being annoying will help you get deleted, if coupled with an actual offense?

Is that meant to imply that being annoying will help you get deleted, if coupled with an actual offense?

I've read through what he wrote several times and I don't see how it implies anything.

I've read through what he wrote several times and I don't see how it implies anything.

Does being the techie mod give your oppinion extra weighting or are you just higher up the ladder (Haven't quite got the mod ranking system down).

Edit: Ahh you're an admin. I didn't realise. Is this semi recent or am I just crazy?

Does being the techie mod give your oppinion extra weighting or are you just higher up the ladder (Haven't quite got the mod ranking system down).Edit: Ahh you're an admin. I didn't realise. Is this semi recent or am I just crazy?

Yes, being a Game Administrator gives his opinion enormous weight ;) As for when, he became an Admin with the move to Jolt.

*patiently waiting for an answer.*

*patiently waiting for an answer.*

Perhaps if you were to actually ask a question as opposed to simply level unfounded accusations against the moderators. If your next post doesn't either contain a "question" or something more vague then asking for an "answer", I'm going to lock this thread.

Perhaps if you were to actually ask a question as opposed to simply level unfounded accusations against the moderators. If your next post doesn't either contain a "question" or something more vague then asking for an "answer", I'm going to lock this thread.

When you start this with "unfounded accusations" I get the feeling I am wasting my time, but here goes.

I have asked several times about the deletion of Ur6. Cog had stated he would ask the mOd who did it. I also asked who did the deed. I was not promised anything except that it was up to the mOd in question to step up. Several mOds have stated that they did not handle this and other locks.. Process of elimination could help me figure it out.

I have asked why the LIST was deleted. Cog also said he would ask.. Why not just warn the offender and let the thread live?

When a mOd locks a thread it would be nice if they would state why..

When a mOd locks a thread it would be nice if they would state why..

It's hardly required of them to do so however. The mods are not here to cater to your desires.

I have asked several times about the deletion of Ur6. Cog had stated he would ask the mOd who did it. I also asked who did the deed. I was not promised anything except that it was up to the mOd in question to step up. Several mOds have stated that they did not handle this and other locks.. Process of elimination could help me figure it out.
We get hatemail telegrams from time-to-time. We don't appreciate it. Thus, we are not required to reveal which Moderator took a particular action. You will not be informed of who deleted "Ur6". We are not answerable to you. If you have a problem with that, then you can take it up with the Admins.

"Ur6" was deleted for multiple offenses of forum spamming. The incidents occured in rapid succession, thus justifying deletion-without-warning.

I have asked why the LIST was deleted. Cog also said he would ask.. Why not just warn the offender and let the thread live?

When a mOd locks a thread it would be nice if they would state why..
The thread was deemed to have degenerated into spam and threatening/flamebaiting Moderators. It's common practice on NationStates to lock a thread that we feel has gotten out-of-control.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

Personally, I believe that there should never be deletion-without-warning under any circumstances.

Personally, I believe that there should never be deletion-without-warning under any circumstances.

Yes, next time the Michael Jackson spammer shows up, we'll ask him nicely to stop spamming pictures of the Goatse man all over General.

Yes, next time the Michael Jackson spammer shows up, we'll ask him nicely to stop spamming pictures of the Goatse man all over General.
See thats all he ever wanted- to be asked, once to stop it.

Yes, next time the Michael Jackson spammer shows up, we'll ask him nicely to stop spamming pictures of the Goatse man all over General.

Warning, 48-hour ban, then deletion, then IP ban.
If it's a minor infraction, I'll give three warnings first.

Warning, 48-hour ban, then deletion.
I don't think you know who the Michael Jackson spammer is... Do you know who the MJ spammer is? He's definatly the most infamous person on NS - he was so bad that [violet] had to block an entire ISP which covered large chunks of New Zealand. I'm not really sure what ever came of that though, I don't know if they ever unblocked the ISP because the company wasn't too helpful.

What about nations with offensive nation names then? The admins cannot change names without risking the game code and a warning would be pointless since it wouldn't serve any purpose. The only way to correct an offensive nation name is to immediatly delete the nation.

I don't think you know who the Michael Jackson spammer is... Do you know who the MJ spammer is? He's definatly the most infamous person on NS - he was so bad that [violet] had to block an entire ISP which covered large chunks of New Zealand. I'm not really sure what ever came of that though, I don't know if they ever unblocked the ISP because the company wasn't too helpful.

What about nations with offensive nation names then? The admins cannot change names without risking the game code and a warning would be pointless since it wouldn't serve any purpose. The only way to correct an offensive nation name is to immediatly delete the nation.

Actually it's "then deletion, then IP ban". Of course, most admin will try not to ban IP's cause, like you said, they may cover more than one computer, but if we have to...(I'm a admin too, elsewhere)

Also, I was referring to forum posts, not nation names.

Warning, 48-hour ban, then deletion, then IP ban.
If it's a minor infraction, I'll give three warnings first.
Our rules are quite simple. Something that egregious against them will not be stopped by mere slaps on the wrist; if someone crosses the line so far that it is absolutely obvious that they are flaunting the rules rather than acting in any sort of heat of passion then I see no need why we need to be lenient.

The Michael Jackson spammer, if you don't remember, was banned again and again over the space of a month. Goatse never classifies as a minor infraction, nor is it worth warning over. There are generally accepted norms which are not crossed, and those are some of them.

You have your own website to run as you see fit. We don't interfere in it. We cordially request the same courtesy--we have been dealing with this for two years now, while you have only come onto the scene in the past six months. Your glaring inexperience shows itself in your suggestion in how to deal with a spammer who only stopped once we banned the ISP responsible for most of New Zealand.

Personally, I believe that there should never be deletion-without-warning under any circumstances.
I have to agree with my associates Myrth and Scolopendra. Given our past experience, this is not a reasonable request and will not be considered further.

Word Games: Do you have any unanswered questions regarding your case?

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

See thats all he ever wanted- to be asked, once to stop it.


If all he wanted was to be asked, then why did he spam/flame/whatever in the first place? If he knew he was doing something wrong, or even borderline, he should know not to post in the first place.

Sandpit: With your leniency, there literally would be mass chaos. It would leave room for people to purposely commit a serious action, knowing that they would only be warning, and not DOS.

Yes, next time the Michael Jackson spammer shows up, we'll ask him nicely to stop spamming pictures of the Goatse man all over General.

Serial spammers don't read personal messages.
Some people on AOL/dial-up think they are invulnerable, because they have a new IP every login. They don't care, or don't know, that an administrator has the possibility to block a whole server/provider, instead of just a single individual. The only warning these transgressors understand is immediate deletion, because if you tell them that you IP ban them, they will laugh in your face: "What IP dude! I have the IPs of 10% of the world!" :p
Technically, it is fairly easy to block open-proxy connections as well, but why do administrators have to go that way? Deleting is just a few seconds work, and is much nicer to rule-obeying members, who use the same type of connection.

Deleting is just a few seconds work, and is much nicer to rule-obeying members, who use the same type of connection.

Tell that to those of us who've spent hours deleting the iwalton.com spammer's bots. I chalked up at least three hours one night, and then Hack and I think it was GMC spent hours deleting literally hundreds of the spambots. I have spent more than one all-nighter last year keeping a persistant spammer knocked down. (The Jackson Spammer was the very definition of persistant. He was a problem for months.)

In short: Deleting the average rulebreaker is "just a few seconds work". Dealing with the persistant, very problematic kind, however, is another story.

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Reppy, if I recall the IRC converse that night right, and I don't promise that I do, I think Hack could have set DEAT on over 1000 of the little s.o.b.s. And I don't think GMC was too far off that many as well ...

I think we know where the DEAT ' ing Gold Medal will go next time around, ;)

Where is our administrator when our boards are being flamed constantly? He is off crusading for causes on the NS boards!

It is my sincere suggestion that we take care of our own boards first before gallivanting about telling others how to run theirs. Yes, change is good and reform is beneficial. But how bad does it make us look when we constantly post opinions, judging their decisions, when our own boards are in such a sorry state?


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Ook.