NationStates Jolt Archive

I have two nations. This is permitted under NationStates rules, as long as only one is in the UN. The founder of my reigon recently expelled my second nation, Brantling, to the rejected realms FOR NOT JOINING THE UN WITH IT. I am appalled that he would encourage going against the rules; thus, I would request that something be done about this display of insubordination by the Confederacy of Josh's Shorts.

Founders are permitted to eject whoever they choose, as the region is theirs. If there's some manner of regional rule in place stating that all members must be in the UN, the founder is perfectly within his or her rights.

It's entirely possible that the founder didn't know that your other nation was in the UN; if you have evidence to the contrary - a telegram in your inbox, for example - then we can examine that and reach a decision, but we can do nothing without evidence.

~ Tsar the Mod.

It's entirely possible that the founder didn't know that your other nation was in the UN; if you have evidence to the contrary - a telegram in your inbox, for example - then we can examine that and reach a decision, but we can do nothing without evidence.

Why would an investigation need to take place in the first place? The Founder is well within their rights to boot a nation for whatever reason it sees fit, regardless of whether or not there's so-called "evidence" to invalidate what he/she does. This would be a matter, IMHO, of regional politics, not a moderator required investigation.

Because if a regional founder is ejecting people for not joining the UN, while knowing that they have another nation in the UN, it becomes not a matter of regional politics but of UN multis. Obviously if someone is bullying other people into becoming UN multis, this is against the TOS and will be dealt with - but currently we don't have enough information to make that judgement.

~ Tsar the Mod.

Why would an investigation need to take place in the first place? The Founder is well within their rights to boot a nation for whatever reason it sees fit, regardless of whether or not there's so-called "evidence" to invalidate what he/she does. This would be a matter, IMHO, of regional politics, not a moderator required investigation.

Nyet. If a regional founder is abusing his status to demand the nations within his region violate game rules [as implied here], it is entirely reasonable for action to be taken. Obviously, prior to any such action we would require some proof that this is the case.

I agree, it seems like the founder was aksing this nation to have two UN nations.

Unless there's some sort of proof that the Founder was encouraging UN multiing, I don't see how he/she can be punished for not knowing who's puppet is who's in his/her region. I guess time will tell in this case.

Unless there's some sort of proof that the Founder was encouraging UN multiing, I don't see how he/she can be punished for not knowing who's puppet is who's in his/her region. I guess time will tell in this case.

TH, I think that's what they're saying. If Brendling can provide proof that the founder DID know that the second nation was a puppet, and that it joining the UN would constitute UN-multying, and still threatened to eject it unless it joined the UN, then it would be an issue.

If Brendling has no proof that the founder knew that the second nation was a puppet, then there's no further action to be taken.

*hopes she got that right*

Shaed, I know that... I was simply pointing that out to The Avenging Angels who has already assumed that the Founder in question is guilty.

if there is a regional rule that states you must be un then you brought your nation in on false pretences, by telling it to join the un or leave he would have been following regional rules that he set

if there is a regional rule that states you must be un then you brought your nation in on false pretences, by telling it to join the un or leave he would have been following regional rules that he set

RTW: What they're discussing is, if the founder alreay KNEW someone had a different UN account, and forced them to sign up with a second - thus creating a UN Multi-ing case.

Shaed, I know that... I was simply pointing that out to The Avenging Angels who has already assumed that the Founder in question is guilty.

Oh, I see. Sorry >.<
I obviously wasn't paying enough attention.

RTW: What they're discussing is, if the founder alreay KNEW someone had a different UN account, and forced them to sign up with a second - thus creating a UN Multi-ing case.
we cant know that nor would he need to if he dosnt know who is who its not his fault and it just sounds to me like the guy is pissed he was ejected

Speculating over whether or not the regional founder is guilty of anything is a little premature since no evidence has yet been presented by Brendling to that effect. In the meantime, debating whether the founder has done anything is, well, pointless.

It's not like the person needs 2 nations in the one region anyway.Perhaps the founder was clearing out puppets.

who is tsar i have never heard of 'em and my mai nation is old skool from mar 04

For that matter, who is this 'neo sephiroth'? I've been around since May of '03, and I don't claim to know everyone out there ... not by a long shot.

Remain on topic.

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