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Hello,

In the following post a player has accused me of harassment for mentioning his name:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7898434&postcount=325


He has threatened filing a harassment charge on me if I ever mention his name again. I'd like a moderation ruling here.

Obviously I'll give him space, but I'd like to point out that he has frequently posted in this forum accusing other players of flaming him (recently too). Furthermore, several times a week he responds to a UN forum newbie by saying something along the lines of, "Here is another player who hasn't read the UN FAQ."

First, nobody can know if this is true or not. Second, those types of posts are a subtle flame. Multiple UN forum regulars are constantly doing this, and I feel this alienates newbies. It is a subtle way of saying, "You are new and don't know what you are talking about." Often the statement is used to invalidate a proposed idea, without actually discussing the newbies idea.

While I feel that at other times the point may be valid, the frequency of that particular statement (which is coming from this player) has made the UN forum a hostile environment to newbies.

In any event, it is clear that I can't say anything in that thread and need a third party to cool things off.

Thanks!

You two have been arguing back and forth for quite some time now and it looks to me like you'll never resolve it. Just leave him alone and he'll leave you alone.

This is the post I asked him not to over:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7898357&postcount=324

I'm really not interested in "who started it" arguments at this rate. It is my sincere recommendation that both of you leave each other alone now.

Got it. :)

Good.

((EDIT: Whoops, Scolo beat me to it. Ah well. This was what I was gonna post to you guys! =p))

Both of you need to grow up and act more mature, from what I see.

Mik- just leave DLE alone, and I'm sure he'll leave you alone. If not, I suggest you both slap eachother on ignore.

DLE- You can't forbid someone from mentioning your name, that's just silly. That'd be like President Bush forbidding stand-up comedians from using his name in their routines. It's not harassment to mention someone's name. It's harassment if it's slanderous. From the post you linked, Mik was going on about somebody else and only referenced your earlier behavior. Hardly noble, but it wouldn't stand as a harassment charge.

I repeat, you both need to grow up or use that handy ignore function on eachother. Geez!

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DLE- You can't forbid someone from mentioning your name, that's just silly. That'd be like President Bush forbidding stand-up comedians from using his name in their routines. It's not harassment to mention someone's name. It's harassment if it's slanderous. From the post you linked, Mik was going on about somebody else and only referenced your earlier behavior. Hardly noble, but it wouldn't stand as a harassment charge.

You'll have to excuse me for this one, but how could that not be a form of flamebait in this case?

DLE- You can't forbid someone from mentioning your name, that's just silly. That'd be like President Bush forbidding stand-up comedians from using his name in their routines. It's not harassment to mention someone's name. It's harassment if it's slanderous. From the post you linked, Mik was going on about somebody else and only referenced your earlier behavior. Hardly noble, but it wouldn't stand as a harassment charge.Can you please repeat this to Chellis a million times? He asked me not to use his name again.

You'll have to excuse me for this one, but how could that not be a form of flamebait in this case?

Cause Reppy is an Admin and a Mod and she can Delete you if you keep up this silly arguing and insisting that no one can say DemonLordEnigma.

Cause Reppy is an Admin and a Mod and she can Delete you if you keep up this silly arguing and insisting that no one can say DemonLordEnigma.

Infinite, look carefully at the portion I quoted, especially at the last portion of it. That is what my question about flamebaiting is about. As it stands, that redflags in my mind as a big loophole for allowing indirect harassment of someone by just "referencing their earlier behavior" while talking to someone else.

Infinite, look carefully at the portion I quoted, especially at the last portion of it. That is what my question about flamebaiting is about. As it stands, that redflags in my mind as a big loophole for allowing indirect harassment of someone by just "referencing their earlier behavior" while talking to someone else.
Sure there is flamebaiting... It's just in the form of an action, it's in the form of a description. I'm sorry to say, but it looks like Mikvity is just being quite curt. I don't think he even one insulted you directly. He just made some misinformed general statements.

I agree; it's not flamebaiting. They're just regular statements, that's all. Nothing to really worry about, and if he bothers you that much Enigma, just put him on your ignore list. Problem solved.

I wasn't going to point this out, but I will. Mikitivity has been making those general statements to me since early December, possibly longer for others, and I can no longer accept it as anything but concious flamebait. And if you want the evidence, I will post it.

Edit: What I would prefer is a mod answer to my last question and the subject be dropped for now. But preferences are not entirely what we always get.

The Moderation thread is like Jerry Springer, I love it. :)

The Moderation thread is like Jerry Springer, I love it. :)


LOL

Well, the Springer comment lightened the mood a bit.

Like I said, Enigma, just add him to your ignore list; no need to be this reactionary over it.

Like I said, Enigma, just add him to your ignore list; no need to be this reactionary over it.


This is what I got reactionary over:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7864251&postcount=46

The post he was responding to:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7863355&postcount=43

Now, the facts of the matter:

1) I wasn't replying in a way conducive to helping what was going on, but I was attempting to reply in a way that left both egos intact.

2) Yes, I got his name wrong for months. Trick of the eye.

3) The idea of accusing each other of flamebait has been going on for awhile.

4) Hack never gave me a warning about staying away from Mikitivity. In fact, unless there is some post floating around I am unaware of, Hack has said nothing about it to me at all.

5) Mikitivity never made any requests for space, unless those are also posts floating around in some area I am unaware of. They are not in any topic I have seen on the forums where I have talked to him previous of that incident.

6) The RP in question I stated OOCly that I thought he was perfect for the job in question.

7) In that RP, the character in question was more of a bad guy that has since been dealt with.

8) The Global Disarmament proposal he is talking about was a demonstration of how easy it would be to write up a proposal that has the real intent of banning something the UN wouldn't do and distracts people from the fact it is there. The thread in question was a stunning success and on occasions I still bring it up in arguements.

9) The puppets violating UN resolutions has to do with the fact they are not in the UN. Every once in awhile, they make a good example to use of the dangers of nonmember nations.

10) I've established before on these forums that I have had problems with a certain family member. That's been dealt with, thanks to the password change feature being fixed and more complex passwords.

11) He knows very well I did not have a high opinion of him at around that point that I wanted to turn him in. My posts from that period reflect that.

12) He had the gall to bring up my actions later on in the thread. I've posted a link to which one.

If he doesn't want me responding to him, then why did he have to mention me later on in the thread?

I would have apologized for the name issue if he hadn't used it as a basis for attacking my entire posting history using "general comments."

If Mikitivity had been willing to let the past be the past with me deciding to announce I wasn't going to reply to him anymore and his post about wanting to be left alone, then maybe I wouldn't be making such of a big deal out of it. But as it is, him commenting about not being left alone and then later making it a point to mention my name in association with flamebait in a thread he knows very well I will see it can only be a case of calculated flamebait as far as I am concerned.

All I'm wanting to know is how it can be otherwise.

Arguing over the internet :rolleyes:

Arguing over the internet :rolleyes:

I know it's old but...

"Arguing over the internet is like running a race in the special olympics. You may win, yet you're still retarded."

I know it's old but...

"Arguing over the internet is like running a race in the special olympics. You may win, yet you're still retarded."

Thank you, saved me from having to edit my post :D

Look, I've admitted to being willing to drop the issue. My previous post was just more of an explanation of my reaction. And if I never get a response to my question, then it shall simply remain unanswered.

Now, despite this not being my thread, I kindly ask for people to wait for a reply to the question I have asked before commenting further.

Thank you, saved me from having to edit my post :D

Funny thing is...I've argued over the internet on multiple occasions...lol. It's my nature to argue.

I request a lock of this thread.

Though I am equally capable of presenting my point of view (which I have not done here per the moderation ruling), I've seen *TWO* moderators and multiple players asking us to leave each other alone.

What is happening here is honestly making matters worse for everybody!

Just leave each other alone, 'k? If that means leaving some threads not tied up into little bows, so be it. Maybe after calming down for a while you can have at it without being riled up again.

Locked at request of thread author.