NationStates Jolt Archive

I was wondering if you would reconsider the DEAT of the nation, Skoda Truck Drivers.

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I've since found more information on the matter and I think I understand the reasoning and why things were handled this way in this case. I apologize for bothering anyone, region or mod. Thanks for your time. -- 1/11/05

I'm no mod, but you may want to know that deletions are rarely overturned. Just get him to create a new nation, and he should be fine.

It is true I have rarely seen a deletion reversed... but I think they should do it more often. I have seen many good cases be overlooked and it is sad that people lose nations they put a lot of work into and then cannot really repeal.

What the heck is wrong with migraters? You came through my region and I had no problems with it. As long as you're not a bunch of UN nations, I don't mind having you.

Some people are just too paranoid.

I don't mind them going through my region either. As long as they don't hijack it.

Nak Nak is a long time member and I guess mods gave him some slack.

Personally I think a lot of rules should be relaxed. Migrators are just fine, I am always happy to see a nation stop by and say Hi in my region.

Another rule I don't understand is the recruitment rule. It is a rule that basically bans competition amongst regions. My theory is that if a region cannot keep its members then it deserves to lose them. Every nation should be allowed to decide what region they want to go to. The rules should not infringe that right.

I run a region and I never report someone who illegally recruits in my region because the rule makes very little sense and also makes NS most socialist leaning. Laws to restrict competition is protecting the weak regions that by darwin's theory of natural selection deserve to be snuffed out because they don't care enough.

There is a different between competition and spamming. Nothing denies your nations the right of leaving your nation, the rule just stops outsiders from advertising their own region in yours. Such advertisemen, like all spam, disrupts communication, since the regional civil HQ cannot be edited (afaik), and can only store so many posts.

If you owned a shop, you wouldn't like your competitor to come in and put up a big ad poster right on your front door, right?

That said, I have no experience with deletions, so I don't know how easy/hard it is to appeal such a decision. It should not be impossible, imo, though the reversal should be considered just as critically as the delete itself.

I did not mean regional HQ posts... those are annoying. I meant TMs... I think a nation should have the right to TM someone about a region.

If you were in a region and someone told you about a region that was better and you moved there and loved it, wouldn't you be glad they had sent it.

Without that some nations never hear about other regions and just get stuck in the same old region.

Of course, that works. I have no problem with people telegramming me (I think the acronym is TG, not TM, but I'm not sure) as long as it's not obvious they are doing this as a mass mail. So when I get a TG based on my nation being strongly communist or strongly capitalist (both happened to me), and this actually applies, then they're obviously going to the trouble of searching. If they send a generic message and a dozen others in the same region get it, I'm annoyed. ;)

True... I spend hours searching through (sadly only the pacifics repeatedly) for capitalists to invite. I feel sad that, A. People in the Pacifics probably get my TMs every month at least once. B. That members of other regions dont recieve that chance to join our region.

It is a rule that should be overturned to an extent to allow TMs that are not completely general.

Thanks Bat for starting this thread, I would like to see a reversal in this case because NO violation at all took place it should be a matter of principal for the moderators and I would like to see them comment.

I did contact the Mods to protest and they said I should not post if requested not to, the fact is I was not requested not to post the post was not spam and only passed through the region and didn't even stay.

I appreciate the mods are busy and in this case I think the facts were not examined, being over The Holidays and all.

First, I should point you to the thread regulating use of scripts in the game (since you are a migrator). This is stickied at the top of this forum.

Guidelines for Scripts (Now Binding)
And the actual post
Actual Rules

The rules were crafted to allow migrators to move through the game (I happen to like you guys, you've done some neat stuff).

However, I should note rule number 2.
No script may post regional messages without permission of founder (or delegate if no founder exists).

Thus, you were breaking the script rules. Also, posting the same message in many different regions is considered spam, so you were technically spamming.

Also, from the notes on your nation this was your second offense (the first consisting of regional adverts)

So you were breaking several rules, sorry.

Finally, I'm not the mod who handled your case.

Edit: Exceptions to these can sometimes be made if you contact me with plenty of lead time.

SalusaSecondus many thanks for your reply.

rules are rules I suppose but,

Originally Posted by The official rules
No script may post regional messages without permission of founder (or delegate if no founder exists).

This leaves any Nation open to deletion, what should a nation do when arriving in a new region? Telegram the founder for permission to post?

Also as a group we are open to spamming the Regional Happenings as we travel through.

In my defense on the recruiting issue I only contacted nations who had complained of being alone after founders delegates and all other Nations had died.

ASD, it says "No script..." in other words you may post in a region by hand, just not automated.

Also, one entry/exit in each region isn't spamming (it's unavoidable). If you continually spam the events of a single region, that's spam. I specifically wrote these rules in such a way as to allow migrators, so any reasonable migration is legal.

As for the regional adverts, I just have that note to go on.

So , I don't want to get your back up by going on but,

I didn't post any script in any region only the odd message (by hand) in the odd region and not the same one all the time.

I only passed through The Kingdom of Burgundy once.

I had recieved a written warning for the recriuting. ( If there was one lonely nation I might have suggested they join us on the road)

I can't see the reason for the heavy handed punishment of deletion, I think even the complainant was surprised.

As a member of The Kingdom of Burgundy, it was Cherry Ridge who asked for moderation action as has been explained earlier. It's a bit of annoyance when nations migrate through and at the time we had an influx of a few of these nations.

We don't password the region as we do want new members to join but as a generally Catholic region (in theory), it's easy to work out migrating nations (or GYPSIES) tend to get the boot.

Jeruselem,

It may be an annoyance nations passing through your region but it is not a violation.

*GYPSIES) tend to get the boot.* ~ It is your chioce to send me to the rejected realms but in this case it was plain I had not stopped in your region.

I would be interested to know what your actual complaint was.

It was my feeling that Cherry Ridge had not understood what had happened and so I was relying on the moderator to examine the situation.

So , I don't want to get your back up by going on but,

I didn't post any script in any region only the odd message (by hand) in the odd region and not the same one all the time.

I only passed through The Kingdom of Burgundy once.

I had recieved a written warning for the recriuting. ( If there was one lonely nation I might have suggested they join us on the road)

I can't see the reason for the heavy handed punishment of deletion, I think even the complainant was surprised.
do you use a script at all?

For what it is worth I have been watching this group of migrating nations for the last six months and have found their travels and occaisonal posts very entertaining and I personally think they enrich the "culture" of the game. I would hope that the game rules wouldn't ban travellers. I hope Skoda Truck Drivers could be given the benefit of the doubt and allowed to continue.

One other thing, looking at Cherry Ridge S/he is a total Role Player and I think the complaint was made on a role playing basis and nothing to do with the mechanics of the game or violations therein.


Right thinking whites, as far as I know Skoda Truck drivers never ever used scripts.