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Goddamn

I've been reading this thread (i don't know why) and you are an idiotic no-brainer.typically american.

i work in an automotive engineering department at a leading university and you don't know what you're talking about.Euro-Asia ties are strong and they are producing exceptionally advanced engine designs.America barely touches the side of the pool.

And the terrible racist slurs in this thread make me sick.


http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7884991&postcount=160


Your racist comments are pointless.

You think you live in a free country.You are more stupid than I thought.

You are correct about cars never being banned in the USA.Petrol (and cars that consume too much) is what your country's fake economy runs on,along with weapons,hence the reason Dubya went back to finish off his daddy's war.

Wake UP!!USA u are not free unless you do something about it.



http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7885019&postcount=161

thats definitely flaming.

Mods I please direct your attention to the very first post in this thread and the second. I'd say this is flamebaiting through the use of racial slurs and profanity. S*** is one of those 7 deadly words and Chink is a racial slur. Also post 12 requotes "Chink S***" and 15 continues the racial slurs from Mr. Kahta. As usual he just shows the two posts that he considers flames and none of the baiting.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=386417

Chinese cars, low quality crap (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=businessNews&storyID=7218322)

I'm already trying to think of catchphrases that rhyme, similiar to Jap Crap.

The only thing I can think of is "Chink shit"... any other suggestions?

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Mods I please direct your attention to the very first post in this thread and the second. I'd say this is flamebaiting through the use of racial slurs and profanity. S*** is one of those 7 deadly words and Chink is a racial slur. Also post 12 requotes "Chink S***" and 15 continues the racial slurs from Mr. Kahta. As usual he just shows the two posts that he considers flames and none of the baiting.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=386417





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The mods already asked me to stop, so I did. Maybe you should have read ahead.

rasicsm is just sick, why do people feel the need to do it.
one of my friends came into school yesterday with his christmas present Mein kampf. i ripped it out of his hands and stamped on it,

thats was just my own revolutionary action

Not to sound, but what is all this crap about, I have seen like 5 threads about people getting kahta in trouble and vice versa. Just curious.

I agree racism is sick.

Kahta matey - you have not got a leg to stand on.

Yes, it is flaming - but the comments you made kind of cancel out your own right to complain about that thread...

S*** is one of those 7 deadly words and Chink is a racial slur.


If we are allowed to use 'fuck' (as we are) on this forum, why should the use of the word 'shit' cause problems?

I have seen things going back between jahta and many other nations on this forum. I personally would like to see this mess resolved so that we are not wasting forum space. Yes, problems should be posted and dealt with, but how many different threads have there been where kahta had issues with some nation or some nation had issues with kahta? Sorry if I sound like a jerk.

Kahta matey - you have not got a leg to stand on.

Yes, it is flaming - but the comments you made kind of cancel out your own right to complain about that thread...

The mods asked me to stop, and I did.

Kahta, I respect that you have more experience on these forums than I do, but in this complaint - from a topic that you yourself broke forum rules (regardless of being told to stop or not - it still happened) - it sounds like you are running to the Mods that people have been saying naughty things in a forum.

Yes, they have - but you are hardly in a 'Holier Than Thou' position here.

If we are allowed to use 'fuck' (as we are) on this forum, why should the use of the word 'shit' cause problems?

Since when? Sino posted something in moderation about asking if profanity could be used in general and they said to keep it clean.

Since when? Sino posted something in moderation about asking if profanity could be used in general and they said to keep it clean.

Since the move to the Jolt servers.

Since the move to the Jolt servers.

Interesting because I've been told to use astericks or lines rathert than post a curse. Every now and then I sneak one in but that's about it.

Interesting because I've been told to use astericks or lines rathert than post a curse. Every now and then I sneak one in but that's about it.


http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=340512

That sums it up.

The first mod, Myrth, says "Speaking personally, I'd allow it in conversation as long as it is not directed at anyone so as to become flaming." This is like the only mod who posts anything in seriousness in the thread.

In that case, his use would not be allowed.

That sums it up.

The first mod, Myrth, says "Speaking personally, I'd allow it in conversation as long as it is not directed at anyone so as to become flaming." This is like the only mod who posts anything in seriousness in the thread.

In that case, his use would not be allowed.

No, I don't think that follows: Kahta would be within his rights to describe a type of car as a 'heap of junk', and 'shit' here is just being used in the same manner.

Look at the word before it. "Chink s***" That's definitely inviting a flame war.

Look at the word before it. "Chink s***" That's definitely inviting a flame war.

I made no comments about the racial epithet - just pointing out that the mere use of the word 'shit' does not in itself consitute behaviour which requires reporting.

I made no comments about the racial epithet - just pointing out that the mere use of the word 'shit' does not in itself consitute behaviour which requires reporting.

In and by itself nope apparently not. But unfortunately in the way Mr. Khata uses it it constitutes flamebaiting.

That car was a piece of s*** would probably be okay. But the way he used it would definitely negate any right he had to make any complaints about people flaming.

Funny how you use links only showing the post and not the whole thread. Clever way of trying to hide the flamebaiting....

Funny how you use links only showing the post and not the whole thread. Clever way of trying to hide the flamebaiting....

LOL that's covered and moot already but eh...

Since when? Sino posted something in moderation about asking if profanity could be used in general and they said to keep it clean.

You don't mean his "May I please post flamebait in the form of jokes?" thread, do you? Because that wasn't about general use of profanity, it was about making a thread of 'non-PC' jokes, IIRC.

But then, maybe I just missed something. It's 7:30 in the morning and I haven't slept yet, so it wouldn't surprise me if I have.

General forum wins again!

Petition to change the name of General to "Troll Haven".

You don't mean his "May I please post flamebait in the form of jokes?" thread, do you? Because that wasn't about general use of profanity, it was about making a thread of 'non-PC' jokes, IIRC.

But then, maybe I just missed something. It's 7:30 in the morning and I haven't slept yet, so it wouldn't surprise me if I have.

It was but one of the sub-topics of that was the use of profanity in any situation. It coincides with the thread BWO posted that says profanity in the use of flamebaits is a no-no.

It was but one of the sub-topics of that was the use of profanity in any situation. It coincides with the thread BWO posted that says profanity in the use of flamebaits is a no-no.

Really? I did miss something then. Off I go to educate myself on the topic at hand...

*goes to find the obscene humour thread*

EDIT:
apparently my 'posts related to context at hand' radar isn't working... I can't see anything in the 'obscene humour thread' that relates to this thread. While I hate to be a bother, could you provide this poor, sleep-deprived soul with a link to a relevant post? You've gone and piqued my curiosity now :p

Really? I did miss something then. Off I go to educate myself on the topic at hand...

*goes to find the obscene humour thread*

EDIT:
apparently my 'posts related to context at hand' radar isn't working... I can't see anything in the 'obscene humour thread' that relates to this thread. While I hate to be a bother, could you provide this poor, sleep-deprived soul with a link to a relevant post? You've gone and piqued my curiosity now :p

Me either anymore. They did a lot of cleaning it seems in that thread. It was longer and it turned into a flame, spam, putrid thread.

So is Kahta's complaint valid or not? I'm oh so confused :-)

Me either anymore. They did a lot of cleaning it seems in that thread. It was longer and it turned into a flame, spam, putrid thread.

Gasp!

You mean my lack of finding relevant posts had to do with a mod-cleanup and NOT sleep deprivation?

Well, that's a first.

Gasp!

You mean my lack of finding relevant posts had to do with a mod-cleanup and NOT sleep deprivation?

Well, that's a first.

Sleep deprivation is a fun thing. Now we're getting off topic. After like 48 hours of not sleeping you could have hallucinations and such. It's fun. Legal way of being in a non-reality state.

Sleep deprivation is a fun thing. Now we're getting off topic. After like 48 hours of not sleeping you could have hallucinations and such. It's fun. Legal way of being in a non-reality state.

48? uh... no hallucinations at 48 (not that I recall). I'll update you when I hit 72, 'k?

And, yeah, /offtopic rambling (sorry mods)

Guys, please stop wasting this space in my thread, I want to wait for a mod to respond.

Okay, I'm looking over that thread, and I'm asking myself: "Why the hell did I not lock that thread when I first saw it?"

Slurs and ephitets are classified under the "defamatory" clause of the NationStates Terms and Conditions and can be construed as trolling/flaming/flamebait. Marginally-related point: If you want to debate a racist point-of-view, go right shead; just leave the slurs and insults out of it.

The linked topic has been locked because it was turning into a mess. Kahta, you may repost the topic so long as you leave the slurs out of it.

Foul language such as "shit", "fuck", "dick", and so on are not (to my knowledge) forbidden in-and-of-themselves. However, when they accompany something that is a rule violation, they will compound the violation. "Idiot" is going to get an informal word from a Mod about your conduct. "Fucking idiot" is going to get you an official warning.

Before you post, "Think about it for a moment."

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

Okay, I'm looking over that thread, and I'm asking myself: "Why the hell did I not lock that thread when I first saw it?"

Slurs and ephitets are classified under the "defamatory" clause of the NationStates Terms and Conditions and can be construed as trolling/flaming/flamebait. Marginally-related point: If you want to debate a racist point-of-view, go right shead; just leave the slurs and insults out of it.

The linked topic has been locked because it was turning into a mess. Kahta, you may repost the topic so long as you leave the slurs out of it.

Foul language such as "shit", "fuck", "dick", and so on are not (to my knowledge) forbidden in-and-of-themselves. However, when they accompany something that is a rule violation, they will compound the violation. "Idiot" is going to get an informal word from a Mod about your conduct. "Fucking idiot" is going to get you an official warning.

Before you post, "Think about it for a moment."

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

Works for me. I'll keep in mind that rule from now on. Maybe I won't have to use stupid astericks. But then again, think of the kiddies! Maybe I'll keep it.

Okay, I'm looking over that thread, and I'm asking myself: "Why the hell did I not lock that thread when I first saw it?"

Slurs and ephitets are classified under the "defamatory" clause of the NationStates Terms and Conditions and can be construed as trolling/flaming/flamebait. Marginally-related point: If you want to debate a racist point-of-view, go right shead; just leave the slurs and insults out of it.

The linked topic has been locked because it was turning into a mess. Kahta, you may repost the topic so long as you leave the slurs out of it.

Foul language such as "shit", "fuck", "dick", and so on are not (to my knowledge) forbidden in-and-of-themselves. However, when they accompany something that is a rule violation, they will compound the violation. "Idiot" is going to get an informal word from a Mod about your conduct. "Fucking idiot" is going to get you an official warning.

Before you post, "Think about it for a moment."

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

Ok.

I understand the ruling on "Chink" and "gook", but is "Jap" considered an epithet or slur? I use it all the time to refer to anything from Japan. I don't think that it should be, or any shortening of a nationality should be considered a slur such as "Scot" for Scottish, "Brit" for British, or "Yank" for American.

Considering the word Jap is offensive to the Japanese people, as based on the fact that it is a common slur, I don't see why you'd still be allowed to use it.

Guys, please stop wasting this space in my thread, I want to wait for a mod to respond.
LOL.

Ok.

I understand the ruling on "Chink" and "gook", but is "Jap" considered an epithet or slur? I use it all the time to refer to anything from Japan. I don't think that it should be, or any shortening of a nationality should be considered a slur such as "Scot" for Scottish, "Brit" for British, or "Yank" for American.
"Jap", as a specific case, can be interpreted either way. There are legitimate interpretations fo that word as a racial slur and as a polite term.

We Moderators will judge its use on a case-by-case basis, but in general, I recommend just spelling out "Japanese" rather than abbreviating it.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

rasicsm is just sick, why do people feel the need to do it.
one of my friends came into school yesterday with his christmas present Mein kampf. i ripped it out of his hands and stamped on it,

thats was just my own revolutionary action

I am not racist, but I have read Mein Kampf, and have a copy. Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
While I am sure your intentions were honourable, you are taking the first steps towards book burning.
Enough said, this isn't the place for discussion.

"Jap", as a specific case, can be interpreted either way. There are legitimate interpretations fo that word as a racial slur and as a polite term.

We Moderators will judge its use on a case-by-case basis, but in general, I recommend just spelling out "Japanese" rather than abbreviating it.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

ok. I'll think about changing my vocabulary.

"Jap", as a specific case, can be interpreted either way. There are legitimate interpretations fo that word as a racial slur and as a polite term.

Didn't the term originate during the second world war however, or at least isn't that when the word was made popular? If so, I hardly see how it could be considered decent.

Didn't the term originate during the second world war however, or at least isn't that when the word was made popular? If so, I hardly see how it could be considered decent.

Yes, so did the term "nip". My grandfather still calls them japs, and I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed to do the same.

Didn't the term originate during the second world war however, or at least isn't that when the word was made popular? If so, I hardly see how it could be considered decent.
I'm not familiar with the entymology of "Jap". I have been told by other Moderators that its use depends upon the context and is not as clear a case of a racial/ethnic/religious slur as terms like "kike" or "******".

Again, its use in the forums will be determined on a case-by-case basis.

I strongly recommend not using it for a national animal, currency, etc.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Yes, so did the term "nip". My grandfather still calls them japs, and I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed to do the same.

Kahta, since Cog's already spoke I'll keep this brief, but I want you to realize what you're saying. First of all, read over what I have quoted once and as Cog says, think about it.

Second, my grandpa calls black people niggers. Should I be allowed to? I sure hope you see the error in your argument.

Yes, so did the term "nip". My grandfather still calls them japs, and I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed to do the same.
Your grandfather and what he does has no bearing on the rules of this site. He's not on here, and if he was, we'd make him stop too.

In no uncertain terms: Stop it. Now. I'm not all too keen on asking again.

I'm not familiar with the entymology of "Jap". I have been told by other Moderators that its use depends upon the context and is not as clear a case of a racial/ethnic/religious slur as terms like "kike" or "******".

Again, its use in the forums will be determined on a case-by-case basis.

I strongly recommend not using it for a national animal, currency, etc.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

It was used to describe people that lived in Japan, or were of Japanese ethnicity. Here is an example of a WW2 poster with "jap" on it: http://www.state.nh.us/ww2/images/ww25.jpg

Obviously since Japanese are humans they cannot be used as an animal or currency.

Your grandfather and what he does has no bearing on the rules of this site. He's not on here, and if he was, we'd make him stop too.

In no uncertain terms: Stop it. Now. I'm not all too keen on asking again.

I assume the same ruling will apply for the following words as well: Scot, Kraut, Hun, Brit, Dane, Pole, Polack, Red, Ruskie, wide-eye, slit-eye, and black.

Your grandfather and what he does has no bearing on the rules of this site. He's not on here, and if he was, we'd make him stop too.

In no uncertain terms: Stop it. Now. I'm not all too keen on asking again.

Kahta, Scolo said "Stop it. Now." and I advise you to comply.

(And Kraut, Hun, Dane, Pole, wide-eyed, Red, and Black can be used in non-racist ways. Jap can't. The mods ruled. Deal with it.)

I did stop. I was just stating what I assumed to be true.

I assume the same ruling will apply for the following words as well: Scot, Kraut, Hun, Brit, Dane, Pole, Polack, Red, Ruskie, wide-eye, slit-eye, and black.
In order, as you listed them:
No, Yes, No, No, No, No, Yes, Yes*, Yes, Yes, Yes, No.

* I assume that "Red" is a derogatory term for a communist.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

In order, as you listed them:
No, Yes, No, No, No, No, Yes, Yes*, Yes, Yes, Yes, No.

* I assume that "Red" is a derogatory term for a communist.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

gotcha

The thing it boils down to when using any of these words is the contex in which they are used.

Like Cog said, judging which words are acceptable and which are not is a case-by-case job for the moderators, used in the wrong contex and you can make damn near any word into an offencive comment.