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Could someone please give me the ins and outs of this deletion.
I posted a ny wish on the pacific forum and 5 minutes later I was deleted.
The reason seems to be that I send an abusive email to someone but other than telling someone to p*ss off I can't imagine what the mail must have been.

Well, without looking it up in the mod centre, I can reasonably guess it was probably the telling someone to "piss off" that did it, likely coupled with some past infraction.

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I get told to *piss off* about a hundred times each day, as recruiter, so I really like to know if I should report this. Something gives me the feeling that the mods go into the new year in a very bad mood.

*hides away, back into the shadow*

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I get told to *piss off* about a hundred times each day, as recruiter, so I really like to know if I should report this. Something gives me the feeling that the mods go into the new year in a very bad mood.

*hides away, back into the shadow*

Well, I haven't reviewed it the case, but telling somebody to "piss off" is a reportable issue. (Granted, if a player has a thick enough skin and doesn't care about it, that's fine too. Less work for us!)

well,when a newbie comes up for his first day,starts to abuse me,calls my mother a c*ck s&cking w%ore I tend to react with a simple p*ss off.Didn't know that p*ss off is considered a very rude comment.
So a newbie comes into the game,insults me and my family,I react and I get deleted.
A little harsh.

well,when a newbie comes up for his first day,starts to abuse me,calls my mother a c*ck s&cking w%ore I tend to react with a simple p*ss off.Didn't know that p*ss off is considered a very rude comment.
So a newbie comes into the game,insults me and my family,I react and I get deleted.
A little harsh.

It's not who swings first... You could have reported the newbie and gotten him in trouble instead.

I or one of the other mods will review this is greater detail, just not tonight. (I really should be in bed right now... x_x)

Thanks,I really would appreciate that.Goodnight

If telling someone "piss off" constitutes an infraction, then you should take a look at all the garbage we find in nation's names and mottos in The Pacific.

They tell you more than just "piss off"

I hope this turns out well for this great NS player.

If you see rule violations, please report them.

Yes, Nak Nak told me to "piss off" after I asked him about his spamming on the pacific boards. I said something like "I thought only founders could clear boards." and he told my Pacific nation, "Palmers Dominion", to "piss off"

And I never said a WORD about his mother, his family, or anything like that. I never used any vulgar language- I politely asked about his spamming and he told me to piss off. Thats how it worked.

and the soap continues...

54 minutes ago The Disputed Territories of That and This BUMP
54 minutes ago The Nak Nakian UN embassy of Fortune1 that bumping thing got me deleted apparantly
50 minutes ago The Disputed Territories of That and This yeah that what i thought darling, can't you please tell the mods to bring you back?
48 minutes ago The Armed Republic of Super suphal Hello
44 minutes ago The Disputed Territories of That and This hello
42 minutes ago The Disputed Territories of That and This bump?
30 minutes ago The Federation of Californian Tourism Visit California, it's great!

Copy and paste this link into the address bar of your browser:
http://mammonlord.com/ca
13 minutes ago The Jingoistic States of Palmers Dominion actually nak nak it might have been because you told me to "piss off"
6 minutes ago The Jingoistic States of Palmers Dominion and I didn't say a word about your mother as you claimed on the boards, I was asking you politely about your constant spamming here on the Pacific
5 minutes ago The Disputed Territories of That and This so why dont you piss off then? +bump

The fact is that some nations are incredibly thin skinned, and in all reality, hypocrites as well. There is a huge amount of behaviour far worse than a mere "piss off" that gets ignored on a regular basis by most nations, because in all reality, its not particularly abusive. I think Nak nak's history as an offender is also questionable, as it stems from the same type of replying to abuse in kind, rather than reporting it. This is very common among the older nations. Tremalkier has suffered under the same system, younger nations send their abuse, which we take, and offer our response, and unfortunately rather than realize its a reaction to their own actions, these nations report us. I know that Nak nak's previous infrigment in Tempest was of that nature. Considering the distance between the two offenses, I believe that Nak nak is undeserving of deletion, as there is far worse conduct that is regularly ignored by most nations (especially in the Pacific), and there was no way of knowing that this one nation would be so hypocritical and thin-skinned.


Just the opinion of one nation that was once deleted for largely the same thing, an older nation deleted for responding in kind to the abuse of a small, new nation. You may say that this type of behaviour should be reported, but in all reality it is far too common for that, and deletion is really justified only in more grievous cases, where people still argue it isn't warranted.(see: Wheel of Time invaders claiming that deletion isn't warranted despite massive volume of ejections)

Note, here is the text of Nak nak's telegram

Nak nak
Received: Five Days Ago
Piss off

Nak nak's timeline does work out, as he did say that he was responding to abuse approximately five days ago. So, there it is for what its worth.

I agree it is too harsh a treament- many have said worse things. He should not be deleted and I hope his nation is restored.

And I did not abuse him in any way, I merely questioned him about his "bumping" on the Pacific boards.

i do have to agree on that getting deleted for telling someone to piss off, seems rather harsh...

ah, where's the good old days? :D

invaders and defenders having battles of words on CHQs, anyone trying to recruit in the pacific, got a recruitment post in his own region back to invite people to the pacific..now that'll get you deleted.
no founders, all the regions wide open.

Yes, Nak Nak told me to "piss off" after I asked him about his spamming on the pacific boards. I said something like "I thought only founders could clear boards." and he told my Pacific nation, "Palmers Dominion", to "piss off"

And I never said a WORD about his mother, his family, or anything like that. I never used any vulgar language- I politely asked about his spamming and he told me to piss off. Thats how it worked.
Isn't it true though that Nak nak has become the unofficial founder/protector of the Pacific since Franco's Spain was deleted? This is why people like you, with multiple nations spread throughout the game that are active (rather than just moniters, like I have monitering nations in the Pacifics, RR, and the region where countries get ressurected (I've forgotten the name temporarily), just to keep a tab on things, and be able to personally recruit nations whom display attributes I think fit with whatever region I'm in...though at this point those nations may have all since died)

If your not active inside a region, I wouldn't recommend bothering people about things that are far from uncommon. I've cleared regional boards of spam myself without being the founder of the region. Its very common. In all honesty, I really don't know how much stock I'd put into your story, but thats just me.

Tremalkier, I have absolutely no reason to lie. I was trying to recruit and his spam messages kept bumping them off. It was frustrating to say the least not to mention against the rules. I asked him about it and he said "piss off". I did indeed report that to the mods.

I think the punishment was too harsh, but I find it distressing and angering that I have been labeled a hyprocryte and liar for something that I did not do- call nak naks mother a "c*ck s&cking w%ore" as he puts it. I did no such thing and want Nak Nak to retract his claim. I find it even more angering that people are believing his lie which he obviously made up to make his idiotic comment seem justified, when in fact it was a harsh and stupid reply to a polite and relevant question. That is all I want out of this- for Nak Nak to acknowledge I said no such thing. He knows it and I know it, but unfortunatley others do not.

I do not believe that it is even so much the substance of what you said that mattered, so much as the fact that you reported what was a trivial matter. You bothered him about something that well, most nations would regard as trivial, and you did so in slightly insulting manner, if your claim is to be believed

Palmer's Dominion's telegram
"I thought only founders could clear regional boards. You seem to be spamming quite a bit, I think thats against the rules. Im a new nation and even I knew that- for such a big nation I would think you would know that"

Within this you not only challenged that Nak nak did not know the rules, you then insinuated that he was further deficient because his size should make him somehow magically know something that is, to the best of my knowledge, a recent development, being created long after Nak nak, and myself at that. If you really cared about him clearing a board, a common action by nations disregarding the status as founder, especially considering the Pacific has no founder, then your telegram should have been much different in its content.

A simple "Are you really allowed to clear spam like that on the boards? Or are only certain nations allowed to do that? I'm new so I don't know." would have evoked a very different response to the condescending tone of your telegram. In all honesty, if you don't know the situation on the ground, you have to watch your tone, or else you will be treated harshly.

Why don't we bother reporting offenders in the Pacific? Funnily enough not much seems to happen. Of course I'm sure that has to do with the sheer volume of requests Moderation has to deal with. Wonderful that this was dealt with in such a blinding quick fashion.

IMHO heavy handed and far too enthusiastic a remedy. Some of us actually remember the days when this would be considered a love note in comparison (waves at CG- Hi Baby!). Shame some who have the wands don't.

End result is this- we're not dealing with someone new to the game, Nak Nak consistently finishes in the top ten in all the Pacifics on a regular basis. I would think this would have some mitigation in the determination of how this was dealt with. He's a natural target for all manner of people, of all the rebuttals he could have made I would venture to say this was one of the milder ones that would sum up his feelings. For a reversal of opinion on this wouldn't constitute an erosion of Moderation's position. Quite the contrary, it would show some much appreciated insight and perhaps humaness in a very human situation.

I agree with most of what BA said and hope that the mods will reverse the decision. The only thing I want people to recognize is that I did not use any foul language and Nak Naks claim that I "said much worse" is baseless.

I for my part will acknowledge that maybe I sent the p*ss off reaction to the wrong person.I get zillions of messages a day variating from insults,to recuitment offers,to rubbish,to almost everything.I tend to never react to them but this one p*ssed me off and I reacted.Perhaps to the wrong person cause normally i don't react at all.
If I would have known the trouble it would cause me I would have written urinate off

This is all so childish. I hope you all have a better 2005, but you better start working on that now!

If I would have known the trouble it would cause me I would have written urinate off
Veiled abuse is still abuse. I would recommend against this.

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Now, I'm not the Mod who handled this, but I did see the discussion involved. The original decision to delete was due to a previous warning for spamming a regional Civil Headquarters board, a series of incidents of borderline behavior since then, and then the "piss off" telegram.

The case has been reviewed. The punishment has been deemed as being too harsh, so the deletion has been reversed. Be aware, though, that your conduct will have to improve.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

Maybe their response was a bit harsh, but just ignore the newbie or report him. For instance, newbie called my nation and entire region a boat load of fascist F**king pr**ks and within a few days their nation was deleted.

Why don't we bother reporting offenders in the Pacific? Funnily enough not much seems to happen. Of course I'm sure that has to do with the sheer volume of requests Moderation has to deal with. Wonderful that this was dealt with in such a blinding quick fashion.

I have reported spamming offenses a few times and I have experienced the same response comrade BlackAdder has. I am stating a mere fact and I do not mean to complain.

hey blackie, how's life in the old pacific? ;)

glad to see this was resolved, and that nak nak has been restored.

and boy, do i remember the good old days..
a lot of the stuff we did back then, would get us deleted now :D

and boy, do i remember the good old days..
a lot of the stuff we did back then, would get us deleted now :D

So it comes full circle.

hey blackie, how's life in the old pacific? ;)

glad to see this was resolved, and that nak nak has been restored.

and boy, do i remember the good old days..
a lot of the stuff we did back then, would get us deleted now :D
You kidding me? EVERYTHING that was done in the Old Atlantic, or most of old NS, would get us deleted nowadays.


On a random note, did that glitch with the nation that ranked in the same place every time...or something along those lines (it was always 57th or something like that? It was in the Pacific) ever get fixed?

On a random note, did that glitch with the nation that ranked in the same place every time...or something along those lines (it was always 57th or something like that? It was in the Pacific) ever get fixed?

I don't even remember that one. Consider it noted.

Good to see you back, nak.