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Please sir (I assume), would you tell me what exactly your problem is with my thread?

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7829573

Not only did you complain in my thread about me spamming when I most certainly did not, now it seems that you don't like the style of my headings and took it upon yourself to change the font size of my headings (which by nature are supposed to be larger) without ever asking me to. In addition, your quote of "The REDUCED GODDAMN FONT" seems to imply that you are angered at me or the headings themselves. Why? I do not know. The headings were size 14, a size perfectly viewable.

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I'm not trying to start trouble, GMC, but I can't help but feel as if you're going out of your way to disrupt either me or my thread, one that is perfectly legal I may add. There is no flaming, no trolling, no hating of any kind in my thread, and the only spam I see are the posts that do not relate to the topic of the thread itself - your's.

I'm not trying to go behind your back either by complaining to other mods or anything. You, GMC, will be sent a telegram by me instructing you to come to this thread if you do not see it yourself, for it is your answer that I really want.

Good day.

~Alec, RL player of SB

Firstly: The font size was just pointlessly enormous. Seriously, there's no reason to have headings that big.

Second: As noted, you made ten posts which were nothing but placeholders in the space of nine minutes [and made the entire thirteen posts of the thread in thirteen minutes]. As noted, under any reasonable definition of the word, that's spamming, especially given that it's highly doubtful each summary will require an entire post to itself. The thread is not illegal, which is why it wasn't locked or deleted, but your method of formatting it is dubious to say the least.

First off, point taken...however on my screen it looks fine. How is it bothering you?

Second, have you ever read my RP's? I can almost assure you that the summaries, stats, and whatever else I chose to put in the posts will take an entire post. In addition, are you telling me then that if I had posted my reserved slots in a "less-rapid" sucession, it would not have been spamming? Who was I harming by posting quickly so that it would not take me an hour to set up the thread? How is this different than those threads such as "What time period do you roleplay in" that create a seperate post for each letter of the alphabet? My method of formatting (creating the posts on a personal board and then copy-pasting them on to NS, creating placeholders for organization and then posting them fast) was designed to save time, and save time it did. I waited, as the boards made me, the necessary 30 seconds before copying a message to the NS boards and then posting. I see nothing dubious about it.

Firstly: The font size was just pointlessly enormous. Seriously, there's no reason to have headings that big.

Just curious for myself.. is there a rule against that? Or was that simply your own judgment call based on no previous rule? Just curious.

Just curious for myself.. is there a rule against that? Or was that simply your own judgment call based on no previous rule? Just curious.

That's kinda what I'm getting at. I saw no reason why the font size should be changed. I didn't make it big to be annoying or so that my worlds would be "OMG THEYZ R D 1337!" ...I made them big so that they wouldn't be dwarfed by the pictures that followed.

That's kinda what I'm getting at. I saw no reason why the font size should be changed. I didn't make it big to be annoying or so that my worlds would be "OMG THEYZ R D 1337!" ...I made them big so that they wouldn't be dwarfed by the pictures that followed.

Well, not being a mod any more myself, perhaps there is a new rule. There wasn't one when I was modding, but that was well over a month ago. Perhaps they have set a new rule in motion.

It's also New Year's Eve.. so I suspect we should give GMC time to answer this one. :)

I'm saying that if you were going to post the thread in that format you should have finished writing the posts first rather than posting 10 empty placeholders.

And the font was too big, get over it.

And the font was too big, get over it.

Then, can someone go into all the Stickies that use the same size font and edit it down to an appropriate size? I don't understand what the font size is important here if it's actually being used for something of value rather than for attention.

EDIT: I've even linked to some:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=302256
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=345029
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=301703

I posted blank spots in my storefront for diffrent catigories and my font size is large and I never got complained at...

A lot of people do that same thing SB did.

A lot of people do that same thing SB did.

...and none have been reprimanded like I have. It seems that this is just a personal opinion of GMC...not an official mod decision. In addition, it scares me that "get over it" was used as an official explanation by a mod.

I agree with you SB. Hopefully, GMC can shed some light on this "ruling."

I normally side with the mods, but in this case I have to admit SB has a legitimate complaint by how I see it.

whats the point of having a large font if you cant make stuf stand out with it
also from the way i understand it is extremly hard for the mods to go in to a thread and insert a post and that there is a limmit on number of pictures per post which would be good reson for so many place holders

Firstly, I must apologise for the manner in which I've handled this so far; it was unnecessary to tag your post the way I did or to do so without consulting you first.

The official ruling on this is as follows:

While it's not the biggest deal in the world, we would prefer people stick to more reasonable font sizes. However, we do not stand for strings of one-line posts in a short period; in future, please either post them as you have them or wait until you have them all and post them in one session. There's no need for placeholders.

Hopefully this seems more reasonable than before. Is this acceptable?

Is this acceptable?

As long as it's enforced forum-wide and not only in this one instance by this one moderator.

But of course, now that we've all talked it over.

Or maybe we'll be eeeeeeeeeevil and OPPRESS only YOU! Muahahahahah! ;)

Just kidding. It will be.

What is the rule on font sizes? I am not clearly understanding what the mods decision is.

While we don't particularly like the idea of large font sizes used for entire posts, it is essentially harmless given how Jolt formats its pages anyway and therefore it isn't that big a deal. People who always manage to post long strings in [size=14] after being asked not to may find their threads... quietly and painlessly edited to cut down on the amount of vertical scrolling required. It's mostly a matter of judgement and using all things in balanced amounts. As this is by its very nature extremely subjective, it's nothing we're going to delete or even officially warn people for.

The real ruling is about posting one-line "placeholders" in short succession. There really isn't any call for it; either post things as you have them done (which most people do) or get it all done and post it all in one fell swoop. From a quick-scan view, entire threads of just placeholders can look inappropriately spam-like.

While we don't particularly like the idea of large font sizes used for entire posts, it is essentially harmless given how Jolt formats its pages anyway and therefore it isn't that big a deal. People who always manage to post long strings in [size=14] after being asked not to may find their threads... quietly and painlessly edited to cut down on the amount of vertical scrolling required. It's mostly a matter of judgement and using all things in balanced amounts. As this is by its very nature extremely subjective, it's nothing we're going to delete or even officially warn people for.

The real ruling is about posting one-line "placeholders" in short succession. There really isn't any call for it; either post things as you have them done (which most people do) or get it all done and post it all in one fell swoop. From a quick-scan view, entire threads of just placeholders can look inappropriately spam-like.
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Or maybe we'll be eeeeeeeeeevil and OPPRESS only YOU! Muahahahahah! ;)

I'd expect nothing less from you heathens...lol

Still...around here...I'd watch saying that. Someone's bound to take it seriously.

Font size is only too big when it slows ones computer down, J/k.

As long as we eastablish an enforcable standard that eveyone agrees on, then there should not be a problem. As for the rapid post being called spam, wells thats debatable. I understand Steels full intent for making the post.

Personally myself, spam is considered to be usless posting, and some may see that what Steel did was just that. However, I know useful content will eventually be placed there, and the intent was to create a nice format for people looking through the thread.

My suggestion to avoid future problems is again to create a standard for such post for make a post that say "Future post","Place hold", or "Delayed post" . Something that every knows why it there, kinda of like "Tag" posts (even though that now with Jolt tag posts are not needed. Then a the Mod can give the poster a grace period to edit the post. But if after the Grace period the poster has not posted then it can be considered Spam.

I know that it is not a situation that occurs often, but there are situation were a poster May want somewhat of a format for there their thread and delayed post may be needed.

My suggestion to avoid future problems is again to create a standard for such post for make a post that say "Future post","Place hold", or "Delayed post" . Something that every knows why it there, kinda of like "Tag" posts (even though that now with Jolt tag posts are not needed. Then a the Mod can give the poster a grace period to edit the post. But if after the Grace period the poster has not posted then it can be considered Spam.

I know that it is not a situation that occurs often, but there are situation were a poster May want somewhat of a format for there their thread and delayed post may be needed.
Unfortunately, we don't have a lot of time and we have to prioritize what gets our attention. Things like this have to be judged as we see them. That's why the ruling is: Don't use placeholder posts. Either post it as you have it (and deal with the inevitable comments in-between) or get everything together in a word processing file on your computer and post it all in one fell swoop. We don't have the time to afford to go around taking notes on which threads need to be reexamined later or to decide how long is too long.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

We don't have the time to afford to go around taking notes on which threads need to be reexamined later or to decide how long is too long.

You could always get a new forum mod to do just that...lol...I kid, I kid.

Still, the decision, while contrary to what I think it should be, is reasonable and will be followed. Thanks to all who gave their imput.

But of course, now that we've all talked it over.

Or maybe we'll be eeeeeeeeeevil and OPPRESS only YOU! Muahahahahah! ;)

Just kidding. It will be.

Damnit SB! Take one for the team and be oppressed so the rest of us can run wild, naked and free.... lol :P

Damnit SB! Take one for the team and be oppressed so the rest of us can run wild, naked and free.... lol :P

You get to run naked? :eek: Why was I never informed of the nudity privilege? This is an outrage! That should definitely be listed in the FAQ! ;)

Don't tell me you've never gotten on the internet while naked when no one else is home. Hell...I'll walk around my house if given the oppertunity.

Still, this thread is over. Mods?

I'll keep the thread open in case anyone has any more sincere questions about the policy. If it accumulates any more chitchat, though, then I'll lock it.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation