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Just wondering.

Noooooooooooooooo! Not DA!

He (or someone else) logged onto the Decisive Action account from a known FWS IP, thus resulting in DEATion.

Oh, I married off one of my characters to deated person :(

Indeed, I believe that this is the second time that DA has been deleted (that one nation, not the player).

I too now have unfinished rp's. Deary me.

<<<< Just for the record, not a mod, and therefore do not know the whole story.

For those who are interested:


<DA> i have no idea what i did
* Sirithil has joined #themodcave
* ChanServ sets mode: +o Sirithil
<Scolopendra> We got record of a FWS logon.
<DA> what?
<Cogitation> You appear to be a reincarnation of Fascist White States.

I know that the original Communist Mississippi nation was deleted.

FWS = DA :eek:

DA has always been cordial to me - but I am sure the Mods will be able to fully explain the situation for us.

Just sit tight, and one will be along soon :-)

Damn. I have tons of unfinished RPs now. Meh- I imagine this will be sorted out soon, anyway.

Would I get a warning for exclaiming very loudly "YES... ABOUT TIME!"?

Probably. As for me, i'm tagging this thread for interest.

I concur with Sanctaphrax =D

ICly we were kinda loose allies, OOCly he was an okay guy....

ding dong the witch is dead

Well, I don't want to make a wild guess, but I'd say he or she violated the rules ...
Uncalled for and pointless.

Probably. As for me, i'm tagging this thread for interest.
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Would I get a warning for exclaiming very loudly "YES... ABOUT TIME!"?
It might be construed as gloating, and gloating constitutes flamebait, so it would be a good idea if you kept it to yourself.

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NationStates Game Moderator

People Tag Anyway, its alot easier.

OOC'ly He was fine.

IC'ly I only really heard rather then interacted.

So im a lil confused now..

In OOC, DA seemed to be a good person from the interactions I had - but there weren't that many.

IC, DA and I only RP'd together a couple of times...once was during the Cherry Ridge incident that I accidently set off (whoops! ;) ) and the second...hmmm, I can't remember all too well, but I'm sure we were on the same side on that occasion!

Must be something pretty bad that DA has done though

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OK, fine, but does it really make any difference? I don't think it can be considered spam considering some of the other replies in this thread. I'm not meaning to be a pain, simply stating that i am reading this :)

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Already know that part.

BTW, don't have anything against him OOCly at all so i'm not intending to gloat or anything.

oocly, he's not a bad guy, considering he lives near east cleveland, yes, i'd expect his opinion to be messed up at least SLIGHTLY.

Icly, his rps are usually well made and downright funny.

I know that the original Communist Mississippi nation was deleted.

FWS = DA :eek:

He was friends with FWS, he logged on to NS one time on FWS' IP with his CM account. If I recall correctly, he was punished once already for that...

If he logged on to NS one time from a banned players IP address....

Well, I do have this to say.

This really stinks. I have nothing against him OOC (don't know him too well), IC my nation is kinda ambiguous towards him....

He was a good player, he was an excellent RPer, and I pray somebody will restore him ASAP. Anyway, I have several ongoing RP's with him, so I have a reason to hope for his restoration.

I said months ago that he was FWS. Hell, I knew he was, as a matter of fact. Nonetheless, I expect that he'll worm out of this decision somehow.

I said months ago that he was FWS. Hell, I knew he was, as a matter of fact. Nonetheless, I expect that he'll worm out of this decision somehow.


He isn't FWS, if I recall correctly, FWS did not do dialogue the way DA does it, and FWS was very quick to lose his temper... Thought that might be someone else...

Oh, I married off one of my characters to deated person :(

Same here.

*keeps it to himself*

*cheers silently*

He was friends with FWS, he logged on to NS one time on FWS' IP with his CM account. If I recall correctly, he was punished once already for that...

If he logged on to NS one time from a banned players IP address....

Then, he'd be picked up as FWS and deleted. Doesn't matter if it's just one time, it's one time too many. Don't share your computers with known IP banned, DOSed, or otherwise rule violating poster.

ding dong the witch is dead

I was thinking the exact same thing when I got the news on AIM.

http://s7.invisionfree.com/LOEL/index.php?showtopic=30

Considering he's flamebaiting and flaming NS users on another forum, should he be let back in?
Did you even read that?

And off-site evidence isnt valid and off-site offences cannot be punished by NS mods, even if you didnt just make them up.

Edit: Link removed. Please remove it from your quote. That way, it is limited to just the short period of time it was around.

This is a case where I allowed my temper to get ahead of me.

...Holy crap, I remember FWS. Hehe, that guy was hilarious. I remember when he told me I would be put in a gas chamber. I think that would happen after his military coup of South Africa. Fun times, fun times.

Edit: Link removed. Please remove it from your quote. That way, it is limited to just the short period of time it was around.

This is a case where I allowed my temper to get ahead of me.
No sir, I shall not submit to your censorship.

For anyone who missed it, this it the link: http://s7.invisionfree.com/LOEL/index.php?showtopic=30

It contains an accurate mIRC log which people should read. Ignore the bit by DA at the beginning, that is opinion. The chat log is not, and a moderator says in simple terms that they know DA is not FWS.

EDIT: For the record, I do not support DA's political beliefs, but I respect them so long as he does not seek to impose them on others (which I have not seen in my limited experience of his company via the NS forums). When I have spoken to him on MSN he has always been polite and cordial, and so seeing this mIRC log which I have been assured is accurate I cannot in good consciounce support this ruling nor supress the link. I hope you understand.

It contains an accurate mIRC log which people should read.

Anyone can claim an IRC log or any log for that matter is accurate.

Anyone can claim an IRC log or any log for that matter is accurate.
I will not argue over the validity of the mIRC log, I do not know if it is accurate, but i have no reason to believe it is inaccurate and so I will not supress it. This whole things smacks of a witch hunt among certain NS players.

...a moderator says in simple terms that they know DA is not FWS...
I'm sure the mods know DA is not FWS. The problem is when the mods see the same IP, it looks like DA is letting FWS use his nation.

And off-site evidence isnt valid and off-site offences cannot be punished by NS mods, even if you didnt just make them up.

a little bit from off site

Life is not lived in a vacuum.. if you are stupid enough to let some thing slip off site and the mods find it, of course they can use it. It's not like the mods can pretend to themselves they have not learned the information. I think it's rather common sense. (http://s6.invisionfree.com/PCRA_Central/index.php?showtopic=5)

a little bit from off site
Yes it is off-site, but I dont see why it should be supressed. I agree it cant be used to clear DA, in fact that isnt the point, but the fact that a moderator actually says "We know you're not FWS"... it all seems stupid to me. Whatever... I really dont care anymore.

Happy New Year, NS.

a little bit from off site


Its very easy to fake something...

Yes it is off-site, but I dont see why it should be supressed. I agree it cant be used to clear DA, in fact that isnt the point, but the fact that a moderator actually says "We know you're not FWS"... it all seems stupid to me. Whatever... I really dont care anymore.

Happy New Year, NS.

How exactly do you know that SS meant that, by the way? Just curious. In fact, how do you know he said it at all? Same problems you outlined to me, mate.

Just so you guys know: I haven't read this thread.

But, I am reviewing this deletion.

Edit: To keep the waters from being muddied: As of a few minutes ago the IRC log linked above did not differ in any significant ways from my own.

Its very easy to fake something...

It's my forum. What do you mean?

Anyway, it's nice to see that the mods/admin will review a decision when necessary.
Thank you, Salusa.

It's my forum. What do you mean?


Its very easy to fake something... just make someone named the person you want to get in trouble and post it somewhere...

Thank you Sal. Thank you dearly. It is great you also set down the statement that the mIRC log didn't differ from the truth.

Look at this thread, Kahta.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=383333

When I asked for her permission to put her name in my sig, and she responded in the affirmative, she still has the NS avatar, something which only mods are allowed to have.

Its very easy to fake something... just make someone named the person you want to get in trouble and post it somewhere...

Specifically it is this post:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7761232&postcount=7

her avatar was just taken off.

How exactly do you know that SS meant that, by the way? Just curious. In fact, how do you know he said it at all? Same problems you outlined to me, mate.
I never said it was true, I just said that people had the right to read it. I never said anything there is true. It is, unless SS has an incorrect log too, which is unlikely.

Anyway, can I ask how many of the IP numbers were the same? BEcause Ive heard that 4 IP numbers being the same is counted as identical, but I really dont know :/

Okay, I'm tired of all this bickering back and forth, so I'm going to attempt to help set thing straight.

Mods:

Are you aware that the DSL IPs for SBC customers are, AFAIK, not static?
Have you ever referenced the NIC addresses of potential FWS reincarnates?
Are you aware that in general SBC lines are shared and especially so in schools?


Now, I'm not trying to defend Decisive Action, I think he should have gone the way of Dark Terror after he spouted off his racist crap. However, I'm worried a lot of people have been screwed over because on a particular day they happened to have the IP that FWS once had. I'm also wondering if perhaps the mods have bothered to reference the subnets of the various persons they've deleted because they had a similar IP to what FWS had.

I've said it before and I'll say it now, if you're going to set up a database for banned persons, do it using NIC addresses since those can't be changed.

No, but NIC addresses can be spoofed and a trace to find one can be fooled.

NIC addresses are hard coded into the silicon, it's impossible to spoof them. It's one of the reasons that spoofing IPs is so pointless. Also, you don't have to trace NIC addresses, you can just reference the routers and servers, they can be programmed to record the NIC and IP addresses in a database.

Hmm. I got my terms mixed up. That is why I don't work on computers.

See? Sometimes I'm wrong.

Salusa already knows about this case. He's reviewing it.

Unfortunately, there's a couple things going on that are much more important that Decisive Action's existance or non-existance.

Further speculation on the part of anybody other than [violet], Max, or Salusa is a waste of time. Please be patient.

DecA = Pwned.

I personally don't see why this thread was needed. If DA wan't his nation back, he can appeal. As simple as that. I'm sure the mods know everything that people have stated here already - they're not morons you know. Like The Most Glorious Hack said, just be pateint. Sit back and relax. DA might coem back - if so, than hurrah. He was fun to RP with, but that, frankly, has no relevance in this matter.

There is a nation called Decisive Action - Has he been rejuvenated?

There is a nation called Decisive Action - Has he been rejuvenated?

Yep.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7846344&postcount=90