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"The Conquer", a nation of mine has been deleted, if it is possible could you restore him for me, and if not, could you explain why he was deleted?

Thanks alot

For the record, I was not the Moderator who handled your case.

The official notation left by the Mods who took action against you read:

On July 28, you were officially warned for posting AdSpam in region "Italy".
On December 14, you were officially warned for sending AdSpam telegrams.
On December 17, you were deleted for spamming the Civil Headquarters board of region 'the_icy_fortess_of_sub_zero'. Note that you are not the Founder, so you did not have the right to clear the CH board under any circumstances.


Your nation will not be resurrected.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

The Icy Fortress of Sub Zero is controlled by one of The Conquer's puppets..

but my puppet "sub zero-111" was the founder there anyways
doesn't that mean anything?
i am the founder, i just used him to clear the message board and asked everyone to go there, i moved sub zero-111 there as well

"Sub Zero-111" Conquer and Destroy" and "The Conquer" are the same person, me, the founder of "the icy fortess of sub zero" i just cleared the message board so I could announance something

Can't you check his IP number to confirm this? Both of his nations have the same email, and IP number.

they all were made on the same computer and have the same email

Foundership is a property of nations, not of players. The Founder position is tied to the nation. To use a puppet to clear the Civil Headquarters board is a violation of NationStates rules.

"The Conquer" will not be resurrected.

Are there any other questions or comments regarding this incident or related NationStates policies?

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

then that rule should be changed, its the same player(the founder)and the IP address is the same, it is unfair

OK, but if the two nations are the same then, does anyone else see this as unfair, well whatever I'm not gonna argue anymore..

are you sure there is nothing I can do?

are you sure there is nothing I can do?

Yes.

did you read the rest of this, its the same person me, the conquer was my first nation, and im the founder of the icy fortess of sub zero and i used him to clear the message boards

i think you could restore him since it is a very minor infraction anyways

The rules will not be changed. Sorry.

thats for the moderators to deside not you

They have said the same in past issues just like this.

its a very minor infraction to boot, it is unfair and stupid, i dont agree with this, and one of those infractions you said were 6 month ago

I have to admit, even though I am in the same region. The chance of your nation being restored is not very good.

its a very minor infraction to boot, it is unfair and stupid, i dont agree with this, and one of those infractions you said were 6 month ago


I did?

many nations it does happen to yes , but the conquer had a good record until about 2 weeks ago, one of which was extremely minor infraction, dont you think that would unfair?

Procco didn't post anything say this happened 6 months ago. He/She said

They have said the same in past issues just like this.

yes i did, im the conquer and they deleted him because i cleared my own region, i never even knew about a rule like that, its an outrage

No, not really.

If they got deleted, why shouldn't The Conquer?

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On a lighter note, I'm a 'he'.

Look, I'm not a mod, but I can tell you for sure that this is definitely not going to happen. The case was closed a long time ago. Trust me, your nation is not going to be resurrected.

b/c hes record was clean for 6 months before it happened and it was minor, not like a threat or sterio-type remark

Look, I'm not a mod, but I can tell you for sure that this is definitely not going to happen. The case was closed a long time ago. Trust me, your nation is not going to be resurrected.

if your nations was deleted would you give up so easily?

b/c hes record was clean for 6 months before it happened and it was minor, not like a threat or sterio-type remark


Yeah, but it's still an infraction.

are you sure there is nothing I can do?
The first thing I'd do is stop spamming the moderation forum with a new post evey two minutes. It's not helping your case.

do you believe that this rule is unfair if it happened to you and all the work and posting you took part he was deleted in a second?

Look even though I am in your region, I can tell you this wont come out good for The Conquer. If you keep spamming this thread, more than The Conquer might get deleted. If i were you i would rest the case and start another nation. Which you have already done.

Non-Mod Prediction: This topic will be locked.
You'll start another topic whining about the same issue.
Sub Zero-111 will then be banned for posting past lock.
You'll start another topic whining about that.
You will be advised to knock it off or lose that one too.
You won't, and you're down another puppet.
Or you could stop now and accept that the ruling has been made and will not be reversed. You screwed up. Take responsibility for your own lack of knowledge of the rules and move on.

if your nations was deleted would you give up so easily?
I don't spam. If I got two warnings, I would be very careful.

Non-Mod Prediction: This topic will be locked.
You'll start another topic whining about the same issue.
Sub Zero-111 will then be banned for posting past lock.
You'll start another topic whining about that.
You will be advised to knock it off or lose that one too.
You won't, and you're down another puppet.
Or you could stop now and accept that the ruling has been made and will not be reversed. You screwed up. Take responsibility for your own lack of knowledge of the rules and move on.
Lol. Probably very true.

OK I just read the FAQ and I couldn't find anything that says a puppet can't clear the message board. It just says:

What can't I post?
Any content that is:

obscene
illegal
threatening
malicious
defamatory
spam
This applies to your nation's name, motto, and other customizable fields, any messages you write, images you post, or any other content you upload or link to NationStates. If you do, your nation will be deleted. See the site's Terms & Conditions for details.

Now The Conquer was just clearing his message board so he could make an announcement, so it wasn't spam. So he wasn't breaking any rules right? If there is a rule somewhere that defeats this than nevermind, and Icy Fortress this is my last post so after this youre on your own.

Bye!

no one postin now ha!

and another thing, where does it say a puppet cant clear ithe message board, huh, where does it say the same person cant clear hes own region?

What can't I post?
Any content that is:

obscene
illegal
threatening
malicious
defamatory
spam
This applies to your nation's name, motto, and other customizable fields, any messages you write, images you post, or any other content you upload or link to NationStates. If you do, your nation will be deleted. See the site's Terms & Conditions for details.

Now The Conquer was just clearing his message board so he could make an announcement, so it wasn't spam. So he wasn't breaking any rules right? If there is a rule somewhere that defeats this than nevermind, and Icy Fortress this is my last post so after this youre on your own.

Bye!

He still spammed, though.

if its spam then why is the founder allowed to clear the message board then?

Because someone spammed it.

I meant your other spamming incidents.

if its spam then why is the founder allowed to clear the message board then?

The founder is allowed to because it's his region.

Because someone spammed it.

I meant your other spamming incidents.


your not making any sense, explain yourself

You spammed 'Italy' as well.

In any case, nations deleted for rule breaking will not be ressurected.

The rules cleary state that a nation is bound by that nation alone; it does not matter if a player controls multiple nations. If a player breaks a rule with one nation, that nation will be subject to punishment. If a nation is the Founder of a region, then, only that nation is subject to Founder powers; if a puppet nation of said Founder was truly granted the same powers as the Founder, then, wouldn't it make sense that they, too, could access Regional Controls and the like? I don't think so.

The Conquer cannot clear spam from the Current Happenings board of the region even if the same player is the Founder of that region. The Founder is considered bound by the nation, not the player and his other nations.

The founder is allowed to because it's his region.

Yet the founder using a different nation can't? Gee,that's kinda fucked,don't ya think?

Look,even if he "spamed",which I've yet to see him do,to get deleted/banned for it,it takes a SHITLOAD of spam to get that far.

Now,will you please point out exactly where it says only the founder can clear a board? Becasue if you don't,then I guess you're forced to restore him.

Deletion with no reason... Boy,whoever the hell deleted Con,why were you ever made a mod? Why?

Yet the founder using a different nation can't?
The Founder is not a player. The Founder is the Nation that founded that region. Don't confuse the two, they are most definitely not the same.

From Glossary of Forbidden Actions (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=288255) sticky topic at the top of this very forum. First post.
Regional Messageboard Spam: Spamming a regional messageboard. Only founders should clear the spam - it helps if you clear it with messages saying '--clearing spam--' or something to avoid being accused of spamming yourself. Nations who keep spamming a particular region are Griefers which is far more serious. Report RMS using the Getting Help Page.
Does that clarify things?

Non-Mod Prediction: This topic will be locked.
You'll start another topic whining about the same issue.
Sub Zero-111 will then be banned for posting past lock.
You'll start another topic whining about that.
You will be advised to knock it off or lose that one too.
You won't, and you're down another puppet.
Or you could stop now and accept that the ruling has been made and will not be reversed. You screwed up. Take responsibility for your own lack of knowledge of the rules and move on.
Correct.
I should hope not.
If necessary.
I should hope not.
Again, if necessary.
First part: I should hope not. Second part: If we have to.

OK I just read the FAQ and I couldn't find anything that says a puppet can't clear the message board. It just says:

What can't I post?
Any content that is:

obscene
illegal
threatening
malicious
defamatory
spam
This applies to your nation's name, motto, and other customizable fields, any messages you write, images you post, or any other content you upload or link to NationStates. If you do, your nation will be deleted. See the site's Terms & Conditions for details.

Now The Conquer was just clearing his message board so he could make an announcement, so it wasn't spam. So he wasn't breaking any rules right? If there is a rule somewhere that defeats this than nevermind, and Icy Fortress this is my last post so after this youre on your own.

Bye!
Incorrect. Clearing a message board IS spam for everyone except the Founder. The puppet of a Founder is NOT a Founder.

Yet the founder using a different nation can't? Gee,that's kinda fucked,don't ya think?
No.

People sometimes like to trade nations, or give a puppet to someone else for a while. (I could give you a rant about nation-sharing, but it's not relevant here.) If that puppet is a Founder of a region, we don't want the Foundership with two people simultaneously; trying to figure out who is who just makes a lot of unnecessary work for us. So, for that reason alone, Foundership is a property of nations, not of players. Additionally, if someone has been breaking the rules with a Foudner nation, then we don't want that same player getting Foundership of the region whose Foudner nation was deleted (unless that Player is willing to legally refound the region, which is difficult).

Look,even if he "spamed",which I've yet to see him do,to get deleted/banned for it,it takes a SHITLOAD of spam to get that far.
Nations are usually deleted after a second offense. This was the third offense.

Now,will you please point out exactly where it says only the founder can clear a board?
Frisbeeteria has given you a link in Post #45 of this topic.

Now, as there are no new comments or questions, iLock.

Any appeal should be E-mailed to salusa@nationstates.net. Anybody posting a new topic fighting this decision will be officially warned for spam.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator