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A post I just made in Fascist Ideals' thread replying to whether or not the nation, Nazi Deutschland Axis 2 is really the player behind the now deat founder of the region/nation: Nazi Deutschland Axis:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7725373&posted=1

Less than 24 hours after his election as delegate to the region Nazi Deutschland Axis, the nation Nazi Deutschland Axis 2 has just begun ejecting native nations, beginning with the nation Good Housekeeping.

Want proof of Good Housekeeping's nativity?
See the following thread in NS Gameplay:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380008

Read the posting of old threads (beginning with the second one) by Ballotonia.
You will find that Good Housekeeping even pre-dates the delegate that just booted her!

Here's hoping that NS Moderation has been alerted!

Per request, some older XMLs:

Quote:
2004-09-10: <NATIONS>oswald_mosley: aryanism: the_sadistic_skinhead: teutonic_dream: teutonic_paradise: bruder_schweigen: nazi_deutschland_axis: the_new_american_reich: die_weisse_rose: reichsfuhrerss: ss_vlaanderen: freikorp: the_v_reich_: deutchland_uber_alles: germaniacs: hiv: white_rule: the_guardian_of_axis: morronica: fuhrer_landw: kharkon: aryan_heaven: lucifein: fascistica: 88th_reich: standarte_westland: mordiggian: leftwing_nazi_empire: francisco_franco_b: vodkatron: darkcore: thunderdome_88: bohemia_und_moravia: land_of_tyr: herzigkeit: nazi_zulus: die_armeen_von_hitler: morde: nationalsocialistia: hitler_deutschland: fascist_ideals: p-90_xm7_m82a1: kreutzland: your_moms_borders: michelle_marsh: aryan_skinheads: de_twee_limburgen: voteearly: new_rome_of_the_reich: raldburg: anti-americanss: scarletto: meaningless_pain: fuhrerzustand: heydrichland: bastardcorp_internatio: karl_haushofer: greater_nazi_germany: sathana: thalyus: mirahir: kracht_en_vreugde: power_and_war: the_nda_region_website: djugisvili_haters: new_vichy_france: javert: latin_supremacy: woomania: checz_hungaria: nazi_earth: the_drowning_pool: stephen_harper: al_sharptonia: mighty_schutzstaffel: azoren: totenkopf_ss </NATIONS>

2004-10-01: <NATIONS>oswald_mosley: aryanism: the_sadistic_skinhead: bruder_schweigen: the_new_american_reich: die_weisse_rose: ss_vlaanderen: freikorp: the_v_reich_: hiv: white_rule: the_guardian_of_axis: morronica: kharkon: aryan_heaven: lucifein: 88th_reich: standarte_westland: mordiggian: francisco_franco_b: vodkatron: thunderdome_88: nazi_zulus: morde: nationalsocialistia: kreutzland: de_twee_limburgen: new_rome_of_the_reich: raldburg: anti-americanss: scarletto: heydrichland: thalyus: mirahir: kracht_en_vreugde: the_nda_region_website: woomania: nazi_earth: the_drowning_pool: al_sharptonia: azoren: totenkopf_ss: neo-nazi_heaven: one_reich_1488: sovereign_germany: ryanusious: cyanide_n_mr_hyde: romania2004: the_golden_bough: stampede-: great_britain_and_eire: fascist_ideals: fuehrer: good_housekeeping: your_moms_borders: nazi_deutschland_axis2: javert: djugisvili_haters: latin_supremacy: stephen_harper </NATIONS>

2004-10-25: <NATIONS>oswald_mosley: aryanism: the_sadistic_skinhead: bruder_schweigen: the_new_american_reich: die_weisse_rose: ss_vlaanderen: freikorp: the_v_reich_: hiv: white_rule: the_guardian_of_axis: morronica: kharkon: aryan_heaven: lucifein: 88th_reich: standarte_westland: francisco_franco_b: vodkatron: thunderdome_88: nazi_zulus: nationalsocialistia: raldburg: scarletto: heydrichland: thalyus: mirahir: kracht_en_vreugde: nazi_earth: azoren: sovereign_germany: cyanide_n_mr_hyde: romania2004: stampede-: great_britain_and_eire: fuehrer: good_housekeeping: your_moms_borders: nazi_deutschland_axis2: javert: djugisvili_haters: latin_supremacy: stephen_harper: gaul_sous_caesar: france_fasciste: tartan_blankets </NATIONS>

2004-11-13: <NATIONS>aryanism: the_sadistic_skinhead: the_new_american_reich: die_weisse_rose: ss_vlaanderen: freikorp: the_v_reich_: hiv: morronica: kharkon: 88th_reich: standarte_westland: francisco_franco_b: vodkatron: thunderdome_88: nazi_zulus: nationalsocialistia: raldburg: heydrichland: thalyus: mirahir: cyanide_n_mr_hyde: romania2004: stampede-: great_britain_and_eire: fuehrer: good_housekeeping: your_moms_borders: nazi_deutschland_axis2: gaul_sous_caesar: france_fasciste: tartan_blankets: the_only_emperor: german_axis_glory </NATIONS>

2004-12-05: <NATIONS>aryanism: the_sadistic_skinhead: the_new_american_reich: die_weisse_rose: ss_vlaanderen: freikorp: the_v_reich_: morronica: kharkon: 88th_reich: standarte_westland: nazi_zulus: raldburg: heydrichland: thalyus: mirahir: cyanide_n_mr_hyde: stampede-: fuehrer: your_moms_borders: nazi_deutschland_axis2: france_fasciste: the_only_emperor: fascist_ideals </NATIONS>

Above posted XML screens of Nazi Deutschland Axis recovered by Ballotonia for the heretofore mentioned thread on the region in Gameplay. Highlighted emphasis is mine. That last screen has Good Housekeeping off in the region NDA, set up explicitly to host other natives from Nazi Deutschland Axis to await its refounding.

We're talking about the same player here,GC/GH.

The sole purpose of this thread seems to be getting revenge for being ejected.If it was me,I'd lick my wounds and keep my mouth shut.She plants a puppet in the region 3 mos ago,leaves and founds another region with that puppet.When things begin to go sour the puppet is moved back into the region and claims to be a native.
Wait,there's more! NDA2 who is the origional founder of the region,wakes up after 3 weeks and finds himself the new delegate.The natives inform him what the GC puppet did and that the GH puppet is the same player.

The delegate ejects the two puppets the natives warned him about and now revenge is sought.
JOE

Native ejecting 2 out of 19 natives == legal

Native ejecting 2 out of 19 natives == legal

Nice to hear I've been confirmed as a native. :)

The Most Glorious Hack: Three questions --

1) Would I be jumping to conclusions to suggest that you also found that the delegate I encouraged folks to vote for (including two defenders I told to stay behind to insure that two critics would not gain the delegacy) is also the player that was once the original founder?

2) Since I was not only originally the internally-elected delegate; but also a native nation, then would it have been permissible for me to have ejected Fascist Ideals for questioning my rule just one day after electing me (instead of having called in outside defenders/forces to shore up my delegacy)?

3) How do such ejections work while the password is in place?
I am still on the banlist ever since I was ejected...


We're talking about the same player here,GC/GH.

The sole purpose of this thread seems to be getting revenge for being ejected.If it was me,I'd lick my wounds and keep my mouth shut.She plants a puppet in the region 3 mos ago,leaves and founds another region with that puppet.When things begin to go sour the puppet is moved back into the region and claims to be a native.
Wait,there's more! NDA2 who is the origional founder of the region,wakes up after 3 weeks and finds himself the new delegate.The natives inform him what the GC puppet did and that the GH puppet is the same player.

The delegate ejects the two puppets the natives warned him about and now revenge is sought.
JOE

[Edit:] Not accurate what you say about why I went into the region, Tailgunner Joe -- except for the licking wounds part. See my post that follows Nazi Deutschland Axis 2's for my regrets that I am licking my wounds on (which ultimately will make me stronger)

The Very Authoritarian Mother of Good Children

Nice to hear I've been confirmed as a native.

I called you one in the other thread too. And if you weren't a native, there really wouldn't be a problem.

1) Would I be jumping to conclusions to suggest that you also found that the delegate I encouraged folks to vote for (including two defenders I told to stay behind to insure that two critics would not gain the delegacy) is also the player that was once the original founder?

I haven't looked into it. It doesn't much matter, really. Foundership resides with the nation, not the player.

2) Since I was not only originally the internally-elected delegate; but also a native nation, then would it have been permissible for me to have ejected Fascist Ideals for questioning my rule just one day after electing me (instead of having called in outside defenders/forces to shore up my delegacy)?

Potentially. Natives are allowed to eject natives, just not all of them.

3) How do such ejections work while the password is in place?
I am still on the banlist ever since I was ejected...

Native Delegates don't need to distribute the password, or remove nations from the banlist. They have broader powers than invaders.

Good Children

You Are Not A Native

The End!

:-)

Good Children

You Are Not A Native

The End!

:-)


I haven't looked into it. It doesn't much matter, really. Foundership resides with the nation, not the player.

Highlighted emphasis in The Most Glorious Hack's quote is mine.
I think I made an erroneous assumption.
I had assumed that this nation Nazi Deutschland Axis 2 was once the original founder.
I see that I was terribly mistaken. Oh well live and learn.

I see I was really wrong here -- I should've NEVER agreed to Fascist Ideals' offer to help refound a region that was justly made founderless because of the rulebreaking of its original founder.

If that is you, NDA2, then I vow to be forever watchful towards a time when your cheating ways will catch up to you. Then my native region can be free of the rulebreaker that ultimately caused this very need for refounding in the first place.

*takes ignore medication*

The Very Authoritarian Mother of Good Children

In Nazi Deutschland Axis Civil HQ:

2 days ago The Holy Empire of Nazi Deutschland Axis2 IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

Nazi Deutschland Axis cannot be saved, without a founder it is too difficult to maintain the region safely. I also believe that it is too risky to try and refound it.

I have created a new region, Nazi Deutschland Axis2. I suggest that nations start moving there at their earliest convenience. As current UN delegate I will have to be the last nation to leave so that I may eject those that do not move.

The region of Nazi Deutschland Axis will remain. I will leave a nation here, The Curator Of NDA, so that nobody else can steal it.

14/88

Highlighted emphasis is mine.

bump

I thought this had been rolled up in the last thread/s about it ...

I guess not ...

Right ... what seems to be going on here is that Good Housekeeping is a native. Moderation ( The Most Glorious Hack ) has said this ...

Now, I'd like to make it quite clear, as before there looked to be some confusion ... Good Housekeeping and Good Children are run by the same person. Good Housekeeping is a native of the region.

* Half expects to see a nation account called " Good Cooking " ;)

Now, as far as I can see,Good Children
You Are Not A Native
The EndIs there-fore correct. Now, moving on ...Native ejecting 2 out of 19 natives = legalNow, the purpose of this thread as it was created for is complete, I would think. How-ever, now Good Children, ( who is also Good Housekeeping ) has raised the point that the current native delegate is supposed to have said in a regional H.Q. board post :

" As current UN delegate I will have to be the last nation to leave so that I may eject those that do not move "

Now, as I recall, Native Delegates cannot do this ... you cannot force people out of the region to re-found ... ( I think ) but as I recall, there is no rule violation until the delegate ( oh, who is of course now " Nazi Deutschland Axis2 " ) actually kicks the remaining nations. As I said, I think but that is what I recall from reading here in the past.

( Of course, the actual founder account, and the actual founder account only can kick people out to refound the region for what-ever reason ... Not the delegate, even a native one, I think ... Of course, if the number kicked is decided by Moderation to be reasonable then maybe it is legal for a native delegate to do so ... I'm not up to date on that part of the rules though ... so perhaps Nazi Deutschland Axis2 should ask here about that to make sure )

Might I add from a neutral point of view, these related threads have been looking more and more vindictive in their commentary by the two ... shall we say ... rival parties present. I would think it best if you both tried to dis-engage completely from each other.