NationStates Jolt Archive

Our Region - The West - is so old, we were created before the Founder code was put in place. Our Founder - Juraina - desperately needs the founder flag because we just got region crashed and the crashers are threatening to kick us all out. We have wanted to password protect our region for a while, but since none of us played the UN game, UN members moved in, elected a delegate, and claimed ownership of the region, changing the password and refusing to give it to us.

Due to lack of response from the moderators - this is not a complaint, I realize the game is moderated by donated time and given the size of the playerbase, I understand it will take a while for requests to be processed - we've all attempted to join the UN and elect our true founder as UN Delegate to try and fix the problem, but now, they're just getting insulting and threatening us more.

Can we please get a mod to come in and set Juraina as founder for our region? If there is any doubt about the sincerity of my request, a mod need only look at our region's message board.

Thanks in advance for any help that can be offered.
-Niraya

A founder will only be appointed under extreme circumstances, unfortunately, this is unlikely to come under one of them.

Why only extreme situations?

Juraina did found our region, and now because we've got some insensative members of the game ruining our fun, we're going to lose it? We asked for the ability to password protect our region the moment that code came in and never received a response.

This whole situation hardly seems fair. I mean, I understand if there was a conflict about who the founder really was, or if the founder had since deleted or what not, but ... Juraina - and all of us, really - have been there since day one.

Why shouldn't he get the founder flag?

It's been done before,file a request on the getting help page.

Joe

It's been done before,file a request on the getting help page.

Joe

The case must have been serious for it to have been done, as I do not know the case, I can't comment further.

Why only extreme situations?

Founder status is quite a powerful role within a region, they can eject anyone and everyone. Suppose it was given to the wrong person? That would land the troubled region in more problems.

It only usually happens in regions that have been griefed alot, or spammed constantly or for some other on-going reason. Also if the region is very large and has had a problem, then, a founder may be introduced.

A founder will only be appointed under extreme circumstances, unfortunately, this wouldn't come under one of them.

I don't think you can speculate in this case as to whether or not a Founder would be appointed or not.

I think I know what Joe was talking about,not sure of the region though.

We're not talking about a region without a founder because the founder is deat,yes that is rare.Juraina looks as though he's old enough to have created a region before the founder code was put in.


If Juraina did found The West before the founder code was put in place,I think he has a good chance if he files a "getting help" request of becoming founder of the region he created.

I don't think you can speculate in this case as to whether or not a Founder would be appointed or not.

Very true, my bad. Though based on previous cases, it's unlikely a founder will be appointed.

I'll edit my post as needed.

Hm.

'juraina' is certainly old enough to have created a region before Founders existed (current Pop: 3777). Region data also places 'juraina' as the longest residing nation in the region. History shows one ejection from 'the_west' (lacmhacarh) and a couple password changes.

So, what this means is that, potentially, 'lacmhacarh' could be a longer standing resident, it's hard to tell. Also, we typically don't install Founders for small regions such as this one.

While there's plenty of evidence to support 'juraina's claim, it's not perfect, and this doesn't really rise to the level of "exceptional case".

Lacmhacarh has endorsed Juraina for UN Delegate and I'm sure if you ask him he will support Juraina as Founder.

I realize we're a very small region and this is completely pointless from a large-scale view, but we have been here a very long time - 2 years and counting - minding our own business and would like to continue to do so in our original region if it is at all possible. We're all rather fond of The West.

Also, what sort of rules apply to booting people out of a region and making threats?

These 'region crashers' came in and are now telling us that they will kick us all out and change the password, not letting us return to our own region. In fact, we - the natives - have not even been given the password since the first change.

Ever since they have moved in, we have constantly been insulted and told to just 'play nicely' and suck it up for being on the losing side. Since none of us were UN members before this happened, I fail to see how we stood any chance at all, and thus it is more being taken advantage of than losing.

In fact, we - the natives - have not even been given the password since the first change.

Sounds like rule breaking to me. Report it.

Try having all of the natives found and move to a new region, preferably the same one. Password protect it when it is founded.

I checked your region and there is no Delegate at this time. I also noticed that several natives of your region are in the United Nations or are in the process of applying to the United Nations. Once you get a native Delegate -- tonight yes, I think you have the endorsements -- simply unban the nations. Maybe I missed something, but the actual invasion no longer seems to be a problem. Have your Delegate implement a password, report the fact that the invaders did not give you the password, and talk to the Alliance Defense Network if you ever need help in the future.

I checked your region and there is no Delegate at this time. I also noticed that several natives of your region are in the United Nations or are in the process of applying to the United Nations. Once you get a native Delegate -- tonight yes, I think you have the endorsements -- simply unban the nations. Maybe I missed something, but the actual invasion no longer seems to be a problem. Have your Delegate implement a password, report the fact that the invaders did not give you the password, and talk to the Alliance Defense Network if you ever need help in the future.


The problem is, the new delegate will the the same 'griefer' who crashed our region to begin with. We only joined the UN to take our region back when he crashed in and took over with only two delegates endorsing him. He left for just over a day, long enough to lose delegate status (he went to another region and promptly got booted from it) and now he came back with more of his friends. The founder only has two endorsements... if all of the natives endorsed him he would only have three. The 'crasher' has four, and has threatened us all again already since he came back to the region, even before he gets his delegate back.

Sounds like rule breaking to me. Report it.
We have. No response yet. It's only been a few days, but we're getting worried about the region crashers are kicking ALL of us out and right now, they stand to get the UN Delegate spot back tonight. There are only 4 natives, plus one or two friends we just had join in the last few days. Juraina only has 2 votes, and Coop123 and his buddies have about 4 each, if not more.

I have apped for the UN, but it's been more than 24 hrs and I've yet to get the mail.

Again, I want to make clear I am not complaining about the lack of response from the mods, I am very greatful for the response we've gotten here on the forums (a negative answer is better than no answer at all), and I understand the mods are doing their job as best they can, but we really don't want to be kicked out of our own region we've had since day one.

If we can't get our region back, then we will be moving to a new one, but as I've stated multiple times... we really don't wish to do that. We have been in The West for years and we're all a bit sentimental about keeping it.

... and talk to the Alliance Defense Network if you ever need help in the future.

Allience Defense Network?
How do we contact/talk to them?

These 'region crashers' came in and are now telling us that they will kick us all out and change the password, not letting us return to our own region.

If they do, that is against the rules. Report them.

In fact, we - the natives - have not even been given the password since the first change.

Against the rules. File a Getting Help Page request.

Ever since they have moved in, we have constantly been insulted

Flaming's against the rules. File a Getting Help Page. If it's via telegram, do not delete the telegrams.

Ah I see, I underestimated the situation Niraya. I will try and get you a few defenders, and will send you a telegram about the Alliance Defense Network as not to hijack this thread.

It is my humble opinion, this does qualify as "exceptional situation", particularly with a region that old. Size in this case does not matter - they're playing and should be left alone.

This is Juraina. At rollover tonight, the offending griefer at the forefront, Coop123, will gain control of The West which I created in January of 2003. I learned from our newest nation, Applesaucebitch, about 2 months ago now, the mention of the Founder, and inquired to the help page about getting access to the Founder "abilities" which had not been in existance when I first created the region. We had seen an increase of countries coming in, advertising for us to come join other regions and help crash. We politely turned them down and said we had no interest. I never received an answer from the message I sent inquiring about the Founder status. I assumed that we were to small of a region or that retro-actively making me the Founder would be to difficult. Within the last week, Coop123 has shown up, and done what Niraya has already described earlier in this thread. After myself and Lacmhacarh had already applied and joined the UN in an attempt to regain control of our region, I received this telegram from Coop123:

"If this nation becomes UN, it will be removed from the region."

The next day, Lacmhacarh had been ejected, where as I had not been. I also had a fresh message from Coop123:

"I'm sorry if you took offense at my comments. I beleive I've been quite civil as controller of this region. I can tell when I'm not wanted. The Seaboardian System, on behalf of the entire Collective, apologizes for any hard feelings. We wish nothing but the best for this region."

Coop123 and his allies left The West, Lacmhacarh was removed from the region ban list and given the password to be allowed back into The West. This evening when I got home from work, I was greeted with this message from Coop123, who had returned with even more countries in assistance after getting booted out of the USA region for attempting to "grief" there:

"Alright,
You can play nice or you can make this hard. I don't want to be the bad guy here. If you let us keep your region and play along with our little game you might get autonmy again someday. If you keep being whiners about it, you won't. You must realize we're keeping this region until we're ready to give it up, right? You cannot face the might of the Collective. Stop trying. Just play along and like I said perhaps we'll give you autonomy when WE'RE ready to give it to you. Stop trying to fight us, you can't win."

I created The West almost 2 years ago because it was fun and entertaining. It still is. But being constantly harrassed and threatened is annoying and giving undue heacaches that are not needed. We just wish to continue to have fun and not be bothered by the region crashers and griefers that seem to be plagueing the rest of the regions. Since we will be unable to win the UN delegate seat, I ask that I please be given the Founder status to protect this region I created rather then letting someone else take it all away for a chuckle amongst his "collective"

Coop123 has been deleted for violating the invasion rules, specifically: not distributing the password to all natives.

- The Most Glorious Hack
NationStates Game Moderator

OoOoOoOhhhhh thats gotta hurt! (http://photobucket.com/albums/v257/Sirithil/ortillery.jpg)

So, what this means is that, potentially, 'lacmhacarh' could be a longer standing resident, it's hard to tell. Also, we typically don't install Founders for small regions such as this one.

Just throwing some XML's out there to address the lacmhacarh issue:2004-02-13: <NATIONS> juraina: saron: niraya: lacmhacarh: ununited_idiots </NATIONS>
2004-03-06: <NATIONS> juraina: saron: niraya: lacmhacarh: ununited_idiots </NATIONS>
2004-03-27: <NATIONS> juraina: saron: niraya: lacmhacarh </NATIONS>
2004-04-17: <NATIONS> juraina: saron: niraya: lacmhacarh </NATIONS>
2004-05-08: <NATIONS> juraina: saron: niraya: lacmhacarh </NATIONS>
2004-05-29: <NATIONS> juraina: saron: niraya: lacmhacarh: rollaloft </NATIONS>
2004-06-19: <NATIONS> juraina: saron: niraya: lacmhacarh: rollaloft </NATIONS>
2004-07-09: <NATIONS> juraina: saron: niraya: lacmhacarh </NATIONS>
2004-07-30: <NATIONS> juraina: saron: niraya: lacmhacarh </NATIONS>
2004-08-23: <NATIONS> juraina: saron: niraya: lacmhacarh: business_forms </NATIONS>
2004-09-10: <NATIONS> juraina: saron: niraya: lacmhacarh </NATIONS>
2004-10-01: <NATIONS> juraina: saron: niraya: lacmhacarh </NATIONS>
2004-10-25: <NATIONS> juraina: saron: niraya: lacmhacarh </NATIONS>
2004-11-13: <NATIONS> juraina: saron: niraya: lacmhacarh: applesaucebitch </NATIONS>
2004-12-05: <NATIONS> juraina: saron: niraya: lacmhacarh: applesaucebitch: fundementalist_atheism: fundamentalist_atheism: fundamentilist_atheism </NATIONS>

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