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I feel I am been harassed by support of UN resolution #59. Before I voted on the resolution I was sent a telegram by a nation outside my region telling me to support the resolution and now I have a telegram telling me to change my vote.

I've gotten several telegrams too. I'm a delegate, it's a hotly contested vote, and somebody is running a telegram campaign to try to change the outcome. Why is that harrassment? It's not like unsolicited "Approv my Resilushun" emails - it's a direct response to your voting stance.

I can't speak to the legality of it in mod terms, but from a player perspective, it's part of the game.

First things first, don't delete the telegrams.
Secondly, a moderator will probably check them out, and give you a response on if these telegrams were offensive in any way.

Delegates are allowed to telegram campaign for a proposal, repeal, and resolutions... it's when those telegrams are considered spam by the moderators and/or if they are flaming or in other ways rule breaking.

You'll want to file a Getting Help report via the FAQ and not delete the telegrams.

It's funny, 'cause I have yet to be telegrammed on this issue; by either side... And generally I can be flooded with with them... (Especially since I do not mind TG's for approvals)... Though, I doubt many of these people realize alot of delegates set their vote through regional consensus...

It's not against the rules to send these sorts of telegrams, though I changed my national slogan to "Deleting UN proposal/resolution tg spam since 1763" in an effort to try to deter nations from sending me these sorts of things. While telegrams asking you to approve/change votes on proposals are not spam according to the rules (unless overdone), I still consider them spam and don't even bother to read them. I hope my tactic works, but it's too early to tell...guess you could try it. I don't mind if you use a variation of my national slogan if you think it'll help. :)

I should hope that telegram campaigning does not get outlawed, as I am one of the ones sending them right now, as Fris well knows. ( :p )

Unless they are directly insulting your intelligence for voting any particular way or have any other kind of flaming, they're perfectly fine. To my understanding.

I would hope this is just a instance of a shall we say ... a not quite well worded ... telegram being a problem ... historically, and in present day, of Nation States, telegrams to U.N. delegates during general votes and looking for endorsements for a proposal has been a key part of making the wheels go round ...

I would hope this is just a instance of a shall we say ... a not quite well worded ... telegram being a problem ... historically, and in present day, of Nation States, telegrams to U.N. delegates during general votes and looking for endorsements for a proposal has been a key part of making the wheels go round ...

Indeed, many a proposal would have never become a resolution without Delegates sending telegrams to each other. The approvals needed is hard to reach without a little advertisment, and outlawing such a game aspect would be like outlawing invasions. Nothing would ever happen in the United Nations if Delegates could not advertise proposals.

I feel I am been harassed by support of UN resolution #59. Before I voted on the resolution I was sent a telegram by a nation outside my region telling me to support the resolution and now I have a telegram telling me to change my vote.

As long as it's unconfrontational and polite, it's a welcome sign to me. I just received a telegram from Free Soviets, trying to convince me to change my vote to AGAINST. The tg was insightful, tactful, and fairly persuasive. He simply tried to bring to light ideas and points of argument which had been brought up earlier, in the original proposal's debate thread, in case I hadn't heard about it. I thought he needed to be applauded for his telegram

If this were a flame telegram over the way you've voted, though, I suggest the sender be burning at the stake.

I would hope this is just a instance of a shall we say ... a not quite well worded ... telegram being a problem ... historically, and in present day, of Nation States, telegrams to U.N. delegates during general votes and looking for endorsements for a proposal has been a key part of making the wheels go round ...

For approvals, yes, mass-telegramming tends to be productive. But once it hits the general assembly, telegramming's small ripples pale in comparison to the tidal wave of inevitable votes FOR and AGAINST. I haven't found it incredibly useful.

I feel I am been harassed by support of UN resolution #59. Before I voted on the resolution I was sent a telegram by a nation outside my region telling me to support the resolution and now I have a telegram telling me to change my vote.

Some other advice ...

Wait til the last day before casting a vote on a UN resolution. Even if your mind is made up, you can't be asked to reconsider an action that isn't public yet. :)

If you find that a telegram is hostile, don't respond / don't delete it / ask for the moderators to review it. But add that nation to your killfilter.

I had the opposite experience. When my resolutions reached the floor I had a few players send me hostile telegrams, and a few of them got so pissed when I killfiltered them that they created puppets to annoy me some more *and* in one case the guy started telegramming my allies and calling me a coward for refusing his telegrams.

Part of being a delegate is being a leader in your region and maybe in the UN. It is natural that non-delegates, like me, are going to look to your nations and attempt to influence your decisions. Hopefully most players are polite, and I seriously suspect that in most cases any telegrams you are getting are because you have a higher profile than normal players ... because I never got harassing telegrams until I had a few resolutions get adopted. (And even now, I'm a tiny blip in the game.) :)

I feel I am been harassed by support of UN resolution #59. Before I voted on the resolution I was sent a telegram by a nation outside my region telling me to support the resolution and now I have a telegram telling me to change my vote.

That's really childish and stupid of people to do. Just report them and don't do what the telegrams say.

That's really childish and stupid of people to do. Just report them and don't do what the telegrams say.

You can only report someone for breaking the rules; you can't report them for telegramming you to change your mind.

You can only report someone for breaking the rules; you can't report them for telegramming you to change your mind.
You can report someone if you think they are breaking the rules. It's up to the mods to decide if they actually are rulebreakers.

If you file essentially wrong reports on a regular basis, I think the mods would be justified to tell you to cut it out or read the FAQ or something, but again that's up to the mods.

You can report someone if you think they are breaking the rules. It's up to the mods to decide if they actually are rulebreakers.

I think it's safe to say that sending a pro or con telegram on the current resolution and your support or non-support on it is not, in essence, something that should be clogging the tasklist.

Obviously, the mods are the ones to make the call, but since when do we debate whether or not sending a telegram on anything is a call to arms to load the Getting Help Page?

[violet] ruled over a year ago that campaiging for UN proposals and resolutions via telegram is legal.

[violet] wrote:
Telegramming other nations to lobby them for support is fine, of course. That's half the game. But if they're trying to talk to the entire region, they should use the regional message board. Players who use a macro or similar to send the same message to hundreds of people should be warned not to spam.
So, there you have it folks. The top admin has spoken. You may in fact lobby UN delegates via telegram for support!

Stephanie
Forum Mod

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=280314

[violet] ruled over a year ago that campaiging for UN proposals and resolutions via telegram is legal.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=280314
Man, you're a pretty sharp researcher. You should start up an encyclopedia or something.

Man, you're a pretty sharp researcher. You should start up an encyclopedia or something.

Actually we should start building a "longer" UN FAQ.

The question is the original post. The answer is in Goober's link. Good job guys!

Though, I doubt many of these people realize alot of delegates set their vote through regional consensus...

nah, most of us full well realize that - my own region operates on similar principles. but some regions are like that, and some regions aren't. the problem with the huge sprawling nature of this game is that it is impossible to keep track, so the only option is to just go for it and make apologies if necessary.

and then there are the times like this one where a number of people (myself obviously included) feel that not only is the resolution a bad idea, but also intentionally misleading. and since there is no humanly possible way to communicate that idea to every un member, we are left with trying to get it across to as many delegates as we can - who will hopefully communicate our arguments to their region-mates so they may at least have a fully informed debate before making a decision.

i wish it weren't so, but the un is by its very nature a rather spammy system of decision making (as the main campaigner behind two successful resolutions, dear god do i wish it weren't so).

nah, most of us full well realize that - my own region operates on similar principles. but some regions are like that, and some regions aren't. the problem with the huge sprawling nature of this game is that it is impossible to keep track, so the only option is to just go for it and make apologies if necessary.

i wish it weren't so, but the un is by its very nature a rather spammy system of decision making (as the main campaigner behind two successful resolutions, dear god do i wish it weren't so).

It should be added that many people consider the "delegate" position to also imply that this nation is the point of contact concerning resolutions and UN endorsements.

It really is infeasible to telegram the 37,000 UN members, but it is possible to telegram the UN Delegates from larger regions. With luck, if the Delegate feels something was not debated and should be, she or he may take this observation back to his or her region. :)

and then there are the times like this one where a number of people (myself obviously included) feel that not only is the resolution a bad idea, but also intentionally misleading. and since there is no humanly possible way to communicate that idea to every un member, we are left with trying to get it across to as many delegates as we can - who will hopefully communicate our arguments to their region-mates so they may at least have a fully informed debate before making a decision.

i wish it weren't so, but the un is by its very nature a rather spammy system of decision making (as the main campaigner behind two successful resolutions, dear god do i wish it weren't so).

Although I disagree with Free Soviets on this repeal (as I should, since she sponsored the original resolution and I strongly support its repeal), I respect the fact that Free Soviets and others on the NSUN "Fair Trade" side have been trying to defend Resolution #59 with all of the tools in their power.

Harrassment? This isn't even close. I also moderate a public board, and you should see some of the truly harrassing e-mails (generally sent by members and ex-members who have been warned or banned for misbehavior) that I receive!

I guess there is nothing in the rules about people wasting their time.

BTW the resolution failed

If I wrote a UN proposal I would only lobby on the UN forum.

If I wrote a UN proposal I would only lobby on the UN forum.

and it would never get anywhere.